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RedRunner wrote: »

Nice pics. Did that car take a wrong turn at some stage (in the third photo)?:)

Hopefully that knee issue goes away for you.

Cheers R, the boat/barge was Bulgarian and I was wondering when I seen it had it traveled the whole way through Europe’s river system to there. Knee has calmed down thankfully.

Still tipping along with all easy stuff, 45 miles last week i’ll not bore ye with the details of them all. My long run was done ala recommended by P&D, starting at easy pace and working down, it was basically 12 miles, broken into 3x4 miles at the varying paces. It was 25 degrees at 10.10am heading out to do it so was apprehensive of how the heat would effect me, not in the slightest thankfully and finished strong. The paces for the 3x4 miles worked out as:

4 miles@8.24min/mile
4 miles@8.02min/mile
4 miles@7.40min/mile

Granted they paces are nothing to shout about i’m happy in the fact I ran them in the heat I did with no issues whatsoever.

This week tipping along still at easy stuff, today’s 9 mile was 3 Easy, 3 Steady, 3 Easy. This was a much tougher run, was 28 degrees at 10.30am heading out on this, headed for Zuiderpark knowing I had two water fountains available if I needed them, man did I need them. A ball of sweating mess I was by time I got home, the heat was intense and got the better of me on this one.

Running in this heat will stand to me no doubt as explained to me by HBS and KC in the Random Running Questions thread, plus it’s helping me shift weight, i’m below 80 kilos for first time since Barcelona last March. Have started eating breakfast to after years of not doing so, as an ex-smoker my breakfast was a cup of tea/coffee and a cigarette. I kept the cup of coffee up in the morning but for years never replaced the cigarette with food, am feeling the benefits of it already.

Have also completely cut bread out of my diet which was tough going for first week or so for a man who has probably eaten bread daily since I started eating solid food, replaced it with corn or maize wraps. This is no doubt helping with the weight loss to as i no longer feel bloated during the day like I did when eating bread.

Week one of Köln training starts next week, looking forward to a bit of tempo stuff and some faster running.

career move wrote: »

I'm trying to cut out the bread too. It's hard! I was making my own, soda bread with walnuts, but I could easily eat a whole loaf of that, in one day, on my own so it's a full withdrawal from today ....


Until after the races on Sunday anyway

Had my first bit of bread this evening in over a month, tasted devine!!!!

Duanington wrote: »

Wolfing a sambo into me as I'm reading this B :pac::pac:

Fair play, energy levels ok since cutting it out?

No difference at all D, still getting plenty of other carbs into me like pasta, rice etc so no drop off in energy levels at all. It’s working well for me so far so i’ll stick with it.

Mrs Mc wrote: »

Give up the Dutch gold now you’ll be sorted then

Jaysis stop, i’ve drank more in the past 9 months i’d say than I have in past 9 years. Thank god for running or i’d be HUGELY rotund!!!

Training seems to be going well B.



But moving on to more important matters - holidays . Was it La Croix du Vieux Pont you stayed?

OOnegative wrote: »

That was the spot J, couldn’t recommend it enough. Our two loved it, so much stuff to do there. Pool in the morning then man-made beach in the afternoon, great spot.

Deadly. Am heading there myself in a few weeks so great to hear that. I see you found a few off-road routes along the river. Have you any more details of them as I want to keep the training going while I'm over there. The French drivers seem reluctant to share the road with runners in my experiences!!!

Back in Black wrote: »

Deadly. Am heading there myself in a few weeks so great to hear that. I see you found a few off-road routes along the river. Have you any more details of them as I want to keep the training going while I'm over there. The French drivers seem reluctant to share the road with runners in my experiences!!!

If you head for the local village Vic sur Aisne and run to centre of same you come to a t-junction, turn left and you head down hill go over the bridge and you should see a garage in front of you, there is a old road/dirt road here free of traffic that I used. It’s rough in spots but needs must. Screen grab below.

Stick Soissonnais Caves into Goggle maps in the phone and give it a visit, well worth it. Bring the phone with you as it’s tricky enough find but great trails up there and WW1 caves. I tried running the roads around there a few times, taking your life into your hands to be honest. Plus the site is fairly big, if you planned a session that’s the only safe place I could advise to do it, was loads out running around it while we were there. Give me a shout if you want to know anything else.

OOnegative wrote: »

If you head for the local village Vic sur Aisne and run to centre of same you come to a t-junction, turn left and you head down hill go over the bridge and you should see a garage in front of you, there is a old road/dirt road here free of traffic that I used. It’s rough in spots but needs must. Screen grab below.

Stick Soissonnais Caves into Goggle maps in the phone and give it a visit, well worth it. Bring the phone with you as it’s tricky enough find but great trails up there and WW1 caves. I tried running the roads around there a few times, taking your life into your hands to be honest. Plus the site is fairly big, if you planned a session that’s the only safe place I could advise to do it, was loads out running around it while we were there. Give me a shout if you want to know anything else.

Thanks a million for that B. Appreciate you taking the time to put that together. I’ve no excuses now!!

Best of luck with the marathon training B,

Have you given any though to marathon hydration & nutrition or are you going to stick with what's worked for you before?

Probably no harm adding hydration tables to your daily intake as the heat & humidity kick in, but you probably are already doing that.

Jesus, I can't believe you went out for a run on Friday after what happened on Thursday!!!! Clearly something's not right...hope you're feeling better soon.

OOnegative wrote: »

Yeah, not one of the smartest things I ever done!!!

Us runners not known for our smartness generally

Hope whatever it is out of your system soon!

career move wrote: »

If the situations were reversed I know exactly what you'd be writing on my log

And like you, I probably wouldn’t have listened!!!

OOnegative wrote: »

Thursday's run was the scariest run i ever had, ran down via Zuiderpark onto Park Overoode and from 2 miles in i was in bother, sweating profusely which is nothing new but i was soaked 2 miles in. Turned around at half way and pace dropped way off, stopped at a pedestrian crossing and had to use a light pole to prevent myself from falling, walked across the road and i was seeing triple. Only when i started back running did it stop, i stopped another 4/5 times in the next 3 miles or so to either catch my breath or drink at a water fountain. Never so glad to see back of a run.



Friday's run was a bit better ....(snip)

So glad I read these logs... for this wisdom, experience, hints, advice... Yis are all nuts :eek:

Koln Training week 2/18


Monday: 8 miles + 10 x100m strides@8.14min/miles
Tuesday: 12 miles MLR@7.59min/miles
Wednesday: 5 miles Recovery@8.51min/miles
Thursday: Rest Day
Friday: 9 miles GA@8.07min/miles
Saturday: 5 miles Recovery@8.48min/miles
Sunday: 16 miles last 6@MP in 6.56min/miles Avg.


Monday was a very apprehensive run if truth be told. I took last weekend off in the hope of whatever lurgy was affecting me would clear with the rest. Out early after leaving the main lady to play school and down to Zuiderpark. It was only 16 degrees but 95% humidity which is what normally kills me and makes me sweat in-human amounts, superb run and real confidence booster compared to the lethargy of last week.


Tuesday and out towards Monster and keeping in tune with what P&D perscribes for MLR's, same as LSR's and build up, no issues with this one, and back in the game.


Wednesday, a bog standard recovery jaunt about the wonderful parks of Bosjes Van Poot and Bosjes Van Pex. All feeling tip top.


Thursday was resting :D:D.


Friday's 9 mile general aerobic was ran to fast looking back on it, i felt bullet proof on it but its the one thing P&D tells you to watch out for, running GA runs or Recovery runs to fast, wasn't to know at the time but i had a feeling at the time i was running it a tad to fast :o:o.


Saturday was out late afternoon after spending the whole day scrubbing floors and pee pee off them, not just little boys miss the toilet!!!


Sunday this is what the whole week was geared towards, those that know P&D know this should have been 8@MP, why did i only do 6? Blouse, pansey or just plain ballsless(claiming it now), no just plain being smart hopefully when it comes to injuries going on my past. That will be the plan from here on in, cutting 2 miles off the MP runs when they come around for reasons explained above.


Anyway the MP miles on this run were horrendous, done 10 miles build up then into the MP stuff. First 3 were smack bang into a 35km/hr breeze next 3 were with it, got it all wrong, instead of taking it easy and relaxing in the miles into the breeze i tried forcing it and gased myself. Turned around at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ter_Heijde and ran back for home. I was really working on this, humidity was 90+% again, excuses? Anyway, i ran the last 2 MP miles with a very friendly & very fit Dutch lady who is targeting sub 2.50 in Berlin, not many runs i've ever done and been dwarfed by a lady(get it everyday though). As i said on another log, you can't sugar coat $hite.


The MP stuff was a real effort, and only for joining in with the Dutch lady for the last two miles i was fcuked to be honest, no point lying about it at all.


55 miles on the nose for the week, probably up there or close to it in regards highest mileage for a week ever. Back in the saddle this week but a bad MP run that doesn't inspire confidence to be honest, we move on to week 3 and build again miles wise. Body feeling tip top and no effects of last weeks lurgy.