Cameron Reilly Murder

Roger_007 · 30-05-2018 12:47PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

Apparently Gardaí were spotted getting tours of the area with teenagers so it would look like some have come forward, whether they witnessed the crime or not.

And I agree, I think the Gardaí are hoping with time the guilt and fear of being caught will make one of the suspects come to them rather than them pursuing the suspects. It is a lot more straight-forward if the guilt drives them or one of them to confess.

The Gardai should have it well narrowed down at this stage as to who the culprit(s) are. I would be surprised if there isn't an arrest or two by the end of the week. The sheer number of youngsters who were around the area at the time would make it very easy to pinpoint the killer(s) by a process of elimination. It's hardly likely that a complete stranger happened on the scene and killed Cameron.
The ones who are innocent would, I think, be anxious to come forward to establish their innocence, (they would be very foolish not to). It should be an easy case for the Gardai.

Adrift · 30-05-2018 12:51PM

Yeah, I think there'll be an arrest soon alright. The delay is more than likely due to the number of individuals involved - they'll all have to be interviewed multiple times to see what elements of the story changes etc.

I think the phone is a like to have rather than being critical to move forward, I think there's enough people involved that some at least will turn into credible witnesses.

Adamocovic · 30-05-2018 12:52PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

The Gardai should have it well narrowed down at this stage as to who the culprit(s) are. I would be surprised if there isn't an arrest or two by the end of the week. The sheer number of youngsters who were around the area at the time would make it very easy to pinpoint the killer(s) by a process of elimination. It's hardly likely that a complete stranger happened on the scene and killed Cameron.
The ones who are innocent would, I think, be anxious to come forward to establish their innocence, (they would be very foolish not to). It should be an easy case for the Gardai.

Exactly of the article posted here had two people who were there giving quotes. They apparently left earlier from the field.

Surely a list of who was present will be easy to come by.

White lighting · 30-05-2018 12:53PM

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I don't think anyone can claim to accidentally strangle someone. It takes a lot of force and a surprisingly long time to strangle somebody - it's not like the movies. So I'm hoping they don't get away with that excuse in the end.

Wayne O'Donohoe got away with manslaughter when he claimed he killed Robert Holohan with a head lock as far as i can remember in that shocking case down in Cork years ago.

Suckit · 30-05-2018 12:56PM

If it was done with hands, it would surely be different.

I guess the word 'strangle' has me always assuming it was with hands. It could of course be done with an arm lock or an item of clothing etc.

whelan2 · 30-05-2018 12:57PM

Suckit wrote: »

If it was done with hands, it would surely be different.

I guess the word 'strangle' has me always assuming it was with hands. It could of course be done with an arm lock or an item of clothing etc.

He also had injuries to his teeth and face

RacoonQueen · 30-05-2018 12:58PM

Finding out who contacted him by mobile wouldn't be that hard for the Gardaí. His own mobile network will be able to tell who called him that night, so the Guards can use that to try and whittle down who it was that called him.
Text message wise, bit harder - but if they have a suspect they can I'm sure, get legal rights to their mobile phone records to see what SMS they sent him that night. If it was SMS, worst thing about the likes of whatsapp replacing SMS is mobile networks can't trace it.

azwethinkweiz · 30-05-2018 12:59PM

White lighting wrote: »

Wayne O'Donohoe got away with manslaughter when he claimed he killed Robert Holohan with a head lock as far as i can remember in that shocking case down in Cork years ago.

Yes and I thought that was ridiculous too. I don't believe anyone manually strangles someone by accident. I don't know how he got off on manslaughter charges. I fear the same will happen for this case but I really hope not.

Roger_007 · 30-05-2018 01:02PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

Exactly of the article posted here had two people who were there giving quotes. They apparently left earlier from the field.

Surely a list of who was present will be easy to come by.

All statements would have to be cross-checked and corroborated. You could not take as fact any statement on its own in a case like this. Everyone could say that nothing happened while they were there, or that they left early.

Ash.J.Williams · 30-05-2018 01:10PM

Suckit wrote: »

One thing I have noticed between this murder and the Ana Kriegel murder, is that the Gardaí seem to give the suspect plenty of time to come forward.
I am guessing that there are plenty of reasons for this, showing remorse being one.

They must know who the girl is, that is suspected of 'witnessing' the murder. They seem to know her age, her movements and presumably where she lives.
I would guess that others at the scene have already spoken at this stage. The murderers DNA will be all over Cameron.

Like the suspect for Ana Kriegels murder, they also had information but did not make any arrests for almost a week.

the easiest thing in the world is to botch an arrest, it's 100% down to procedures being followed and NO room for error, so I'd give the cops plenty of time to make an arrest...it's only us the "viewers" that are affected really, the gardai will brief the families on the investigation and I'm sure they understand

Suckit · 30-05-2018 01:20PM

Yeah, I wasn't wondering why they hadn't made any arrests, more why the suspect or murderer doesn't come forward. They are given so much time, yet still choose not to.

The Iron Giant · 30-05-2018 01:42PM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Finding out who contacted him by mobile wouldn't be that hard for the Gardaí. His own mobile network will be able to tell who called him that night, so the Guards can use that to try and whittle down who it was that called him.
Text message wise, bit harder - but if they have a suspect they can I'm sure, get legal rights to their mobile phone records to see what SMS they sent him that night. If it was SMS, worst thing about the likes of whatsapp replacing SMS is mobile networks can't trace it.

He could have been called through WhatsApp chat, Viber, Facebook messenger or Facetime as well though so identifying it could be really tough too.

Muahahaha · 30-05-2018 04:44PM

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

He could have been called through WhatsApp chat, Viber, Facebook messenger or Facetime as well though so identifying it could be really tough too.

yeah I doubt any teenager uses SMS anymore when all these other services are available for free without eating into their phone credit.

I wonder how the American agencies like the FBI treat Whatapp, etc when they suspect incriminating evidence is contained in messages. Is it the case that Whatapp cannot be traced at all? If so youd imagine the likes of the FBI would be less than impressed that evidence of crime is unattainable.

RacoonQueen · 30-05-2018 04:49PM

Yeah, not sure how that stuff works. Would guess that it all gets kept on servers for x amount of time but the amount of red tape needed to access it by police etc might make getting it restrictive.
Normal voice/sms data is fairly easily obtainable for network providers once its within the law but anything that goes over data that way, not so much.

Suckit · 30-05-2018 04:53PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

yeah I doubt any teenager uses SMS anymore when all these other services are available for free without eating into their phone credit.

I wonder how the American agencies like the FBI treat Whatapp, etc when they suspect incriminating evidence is contained in messages. Is it the case that Whatapp cannot be traced at all? If so youd imagine the likes of the FBI would be less than impressed that evidence of crime is unattainable.

I'm pretty whatsapp can be traced and read (especially if it has already been backed up).
Signal is private and cannot. A lot of teenagers moving to it, and most already use snapchat which is also private.

Alhough once the Whatsapp messages are deleted on both ends before they were backed up, I don't think they can be read without using specialist software (and as long as they haven't been overwritten) on the devices.

TomOnBoard · 30-05-2018 05:15PM

Suckit wrote: »

One thing I have noticed between this murder and the Ana Kriegel murder, is that the Gardaí seem to give the suspect plenty of time to come forward.
I am guessing that there are plenty of reasons for this, showing remorse being one.

They must know who the girl is, that is suspected of 'witnessing' the murder. They seem to know her age, her movements and presumably where she lives.
I would guess that others at the scene have already spoken at this stage. The murderers DNA will be all over Cameron.

Like the suspect for Ana Kriegels murder, they also had information but did not make any arrests for almost a week.

No arrests are made until they're sure. In most cases, where DNA is involved, a suspect needs to be identified first, then that suspect's DNA needs to be taken, then analysed and compared to any DNA found at the crime scene. All this takes time. A week does not appear to be very long where DNA forms an important part of the evidence in the case.

Sam Quentin · 30-05-2018 05:32PM

New laws(if I remember correctly!?)were drafted into legislation regarding criminal activity and accessing phone 'data' from individuals expected off or believed to be involved in illegal activity..
This law would be well known by operators of messaging, calling, social media networks etc. I'd 'assume' they are all well aware and have good insight and knowledge of this and are all compliant,.. hence why they are legally operating in R.o.I......
Ps: I stand to be corrected.

utyh2ikcq9z76b · 30-05-2018 07:31PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

yeah I doubt any teenager uses SMS anymore when all these other services are available for free without eating into their phone credit.

I wonder how the American agencies like the FBI treat Whatapp, etc when they suspect incriminating evidence is contained in messages. Is it the case that Whatapp cannot be traced at all? If so youd imagine the likes of the FBI would be less than impressed that evidence of crime is unattainable.

They just get their friends in the NSA to give them the data, considering they record everything in covert ops like Prism etc

Suckit · 31-05-2018 12:29PM

Independent reporting that the Gardaí have whittled down the list of suspects, and that the Gardaí are investigating if he may have been lured to his death by a 'trusted friend'.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/net-closes-in-on-killers-of-cameron-reilly-18-who-was-brutally-beaten-and-strangled-then-left-in-field-36963893.html

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-investigating-if-cameron-reilly-18-lured-to-his-death-with-phone-call-from-a-trusted-friend-36960899.html

azwethinkweiz · 31-05-2018 12:57PM

Suckit wrote: »

Independent reporting that the Gardaí have whittled down the list of suspects, and that the Gardaí are investigating if he may have been lured to his death by a 'trusted friend'.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/net-closes-in-on-killers-of-cameron-reilly-18-who-was-brutally-beaten-and-strangled-then-left-in-field-36963893.html

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-investigating-if-cameron-reilly-18-lured-to-his-death-with-phone-call-from-a-trusted-friend-36960899.html

I wonder have they worked out his approx time of death from the post mortem and then perhaps are using data received from the phone company to determine that he was "lured" to where he was killed.

Still thinking of him a lot. I really hope they're closing in on some people now.

Muahahaha · 31-05-2018 02:30PM

Suckit wrote: »

Independent reporting that the Gardaí have whittled down the list of suspects, and that the Gardaí are investigating if he may have been lured to his death by a 'trusted friend'.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/net-closes-in-on-killers-of-cameron-reilly-18-who-was-brutally-beaten-and-strangled-then-left-in-field-36963893.html

That Indo article is a carbon copy of what was reported 24 hours ago, theres nothing new in it at all.

What is going on right now in Dunleer is pretty disgusting, we have at least two teenage murderers with two sets of parents who are telling them both to keep schtum in some kind of deluded hope that this will blow away.

Im guessing the parents are lawyering up to deny any involvement of their kids whatsoever. Hopefully the captured DNA will blow that strategy straight out of the water quick smart and we actually see at least two proper and lengthy prosecutions here.

whelan2 · 31-05-2018 02:35PM

Read an article somewhere that it was a jealous boyfriend of one of his friends. It's been nearly a week now.

Adamocovic · 31-05-2018 02:41PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Read an article somewhere that it was a jealous boyfriend of one of his friends. It's been nearly a week now.

It's hard to know, now it's just a waiting game for us while the Gardaí do their work.

I did find it odd however that most articles kept making references to the fact he had many female friends, and some going as far as saying he was more comfortable in their company and them in his.

While the above I imagine is rumour or speculation, it would make seem plausible with what the media have been portraying.

azwethinkweiz · 31-05-2018 02:44PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

That Indo article is a carbon copy of what was reported 24 hours ago, theres nothing new in it at all.

What is going on right now in Dunleer is pretty disgusting, we have at least two teenage murderers with two sets of parents who are telling them both to keep schtum in some kind of deluded hope that this will blow away.

Im guessing the parents are lawyering up to deny any involvement of their kids whatsoever. Hopefully the captured DNA will blow that strategy straight out of the water quick smart and we actually see at least two proper and lengthy prosecutions here.

Blow away. Not a chance of that. The rest of us in Dunleer want to know who the hell did this and want to see them put away for it.
And the Gardaí won't just let it go - this is a murder investigation and if there are parents/guardians protecting a guilty party, they should be ashamed. I'd march someone to the station if I thought they knew anything!

I'm hopeful they've found some useful DNA on Cameron's hands.

azwethinkweiz · 31-05-2018 02:57PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

Can't comment on the rest as I have no idea but there's always possible causes for jealousy in these situations.

Now this may not be to do with this situation, but it's not uncommon for men or women to grow a dislike or jealous of their partners friends. Doesn't even have to be for sexual reasons. Perhaps the friend thinks they can do better or isn't a their biggest fan. The friend can have huge influence on the partners decisions.

You're absolutely right - I didn't even think of that possibility.

It's still such a non-reason though. He was possibly killed just for being someone's friend. **** this world man.

TomOnBoard · 31-05-2018 02:59PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

That Indo article is a carbon copy of what was reported 24 hours ago, theres nothing new in it at all.

What is going on right now in Dunleer is pretty disgusting, we have at least two teenage murderers with two sets of parents who are telling them both to keep schtum in some kind of deluded hope that this will blow away.

Im guessing the parents are lawyering up to deny any involvement of their kids whatsoever. Hopefully the captured DNA will blow that strategy straight out of the water quick smart and we actually see at least two proper and lengthy prosecutions here.

Where a person's son or daughter is being investigated for a crime, they are left in a dreadfully difficult position, for which there are no easy answers. Family loyalty will play a huge part.

Clearly, if the parent believes that the 'child' is likely to be a danger to him/herself or to others, then the parent has a duty to notify relevant authorities. If the parent does not believe that and/or does not believe that the 'child' was involved in the matter being investigatd, its more unclear and is a matter of judgement on the part of the parent. It does not follow that the parent must do the investigators' job; equally they must not impede that job by destroying evidence or such-like.

If the 'child' is a minor, the parent will be even more inclined to protect him/her and not leave the child alone to deal with the weight of the authorities on his/her own.

So, unless you've been there and can speak from experience, its a situation you can't really judge. There's loads of power on the side of the investigation, and very little on the side of the suspects. Let the system take care of the situation; evidence will trump any protection offered by the parents in due course.

KathleenGrant · 31-05-2018 04:09PM

I have kids and if one of mine was involved in/ present at a serious crime I would be straight to Gardaí, not solicitor. Not because I don't care, or because I am a good citizen or because I am a **** parent but because I thought it was the right thing to do.

TomOnBoard · 31-05-2018 04:19PM

KathleenGrant wrote: »

I have kids and if one of mine was involved in/ present at a serious crime I would be straight to Gardaí, not solicitor. Not because I don't care, or because I am a good citizen or because I am a **** parent but because I thought it was the right thing to do.

OK, I respect that.

However, if you didn't believe that they were involved (maybe because they were able to convince you), and they were being considered a suspect, would you still go to the Gardai rather than a solicitor?

White lighting · 31-05-2018 04:22PM

KathleenGrant wrote: »

I have kids and if one of mine was involved in/ present at a serious crime I would be straight to Gardaí, not solicitor. Not because I don't care, or because I am a good citizen or because I am a **** parent but because I thought it was the right thing to do.

People present could be under threat if the go to the guards. Thats the world we live in now unfortunately so its very easy say you would do this or that but until its on your own doorstep its impossible say how you would deal with it.
If it was your child that done it they may not have admitted it to you and could be lieing through their teeth they were not involved.

freshpopcorn · 31-05-2018 04:26PM

I think it's very hard to know how you'd react until your child was involved in a situation!
I've seen people who'd have had the lock them up throw away the key but when it was their son who did something the attitude changed!

Cameron Reilly Murder

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