Cameron Reilly Murder

Suckit

I can't believe there isn't a thread about this already, I find this story very disturbing.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-believe-cameron-reilly-18-strangled-in-front-of-youths-36952466.html

Gardaí are investigating if a young person known to Cameron Reilly murdered the teenager in front of a number of youths.
The body of the 18-year-old was found in a field near Dunleer, Co Louth, at around 8.30am on Saturday.
The teenager had been socialising with up to 20 young males and females in the field near the Rivervale area in the hours before his murder.
A senior source last night said gardaí were appealing for the people who were with Cameron before his murder to come forward.

A missing mobile phone, which belonged to Cameron, is also being searched for and may prove crucial to the investigation.
Last night, investigators appealed for people in the locality to check their bins, as the phone may have been dumped by the killer. Inspector John O'Flaherty said: "We are particularly appealing for assistance from the public to locate Cameron's phone, an Apple iPhone 8 (64GB) with a green hard back cover, grey in colour.

In a heart-breaking Facebook post, Cameron's mother Tracy Glass thanked the local community and paid tribute to her son.

"Thank you to each and everyone of you, our hearts are broken in a million pieces. My beautiful son love u to the moon and back," Ms Glass wrote.
A post-mortem examination, carried out by Deputy State Pathologist Dr Linda Mulligan, confirmed Cameron died in "violent circumstances".

A source told Independent.ie the cause of death had been established as strangulation.
CCTV footage from a local takeaway, not far from where the teenager's body was discovered, shows his last known movements.

Cameron was in Enzio's takeaway and pizzeria in Dunleer at around 12.30am on Saturday.

His body was found on Saturday by a man walking his dog at Shamrock Hill, near the town’s Glen Dimplex factory.


This is appalling. He was strangled to death allegedly in front of friends, or at least, people that he knew and probably regarded as friends. Who, by the sounds of things left his body there to be discovered by a random passer by walking his dog.:mad::mad:
The Gardaí are still seeking information from anyone that may have been there, and they are also looking for his phone.
How could nobody have spoken up about this and told the Gardaí everything they know?

super_furry

Suckit wrote: »

He was strangled to death allegedly in front of friends, or at least, people that he knew and probably regarded as friends. Who, by the sounds of things left his body there to be discovered by a random passer by walking his dog.:mad::mad:

Is there any proof for this at all?

TomOnBoard

super_furry wrote: »

Is there any proof for this at all?

The use of the word allegedly deals with your question, unless you are able to speak directly with the Gardai doing the actual investigation who will, undoubtedly, know more.

erica74

Holy shit, there's been a lot of madness over the past few weeks - Ana Kriegel, Jastine Valdez and now young Cameron. Very sad. Hopefully justice will be done.

TomOnBoard

Suckit wrote: »

I can't believe there isn't a thread about this already, I find this story very disturbing.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-believe-cameron-reilly-18-strangled-in-front-of-youths-36952466.html


His body was found on Saturday by a man walking his dog at Shamrock Hill, near the town’s Glen Dimplex factory.


This is appalling. He was strangled to death allegedly in front of friends, or at least, people that he knew and probably regarded as friends. Who, by the sounds of things left his body there to be discovered by a random passer by walking his dog.:mad::mad:
The Gardaí are still seeking information from anyone that may have been there, and they are also looking for his phone.
How could nobody have spoken up about this and told the Gardaí everything they know?

I also found it strange that it did not appear to merit any discussion here.

riffmongous

Jesus

super_furry wrote: »

Is there any proof for this at all?

The Gardai believe it according to the full article.

Omackeral

Heard this on the radio on the way home from a night shift and it really fcuking got to me. The language used was just so bloody animalistic. Not a go at the broadcaster at all but to hear that ''his body was found in a field by a man walking his dog'' is just so harrowing. An 18 year old lad, a boy. I'm not one to get worked up over the news that much but the last few weeks with the utter contempt and disregard shown to Ana, Jastine and now this young lad Cameron, it would make you despair.

Lackey

If it turns out that he was murdered in front of his 'friends' and no one helped him they should all be done for it. Scum.

super_furry

riffmongous wrote: »

Jesus




The Gardai believe it according to the full article.

Cheers, hadn't seen that and it just seemed like a mad outlandish claim.

If that many people know what happened, hopefully the killer will be brought to justice.

Gatling

Another senseless killing likely over little or nothing .

Expect the usual wall of silence and eventually a slap on the wrist for anyone involved

retro:electro

God that’s really upsetting. Poor boy wtf is going on

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

riffmongous wrote: »

Jesus




The Gardai believe it according to the full article.

IN fairness, it's not the gardai:

"A source told Independent.ie the cause of death had been established as strangulation" (to quote the article linked to in the opening post) which, with that lot, could mean absolutely anyone.

If it was in front of a group of friends, then one would think it would be relatively easy to find witnesses.

fineso.mom

I know 18 is officially an adult but it always sounds wrong when the media use the word man when referring to victims . I have an 18yr old. He's a fine strong young fellow but he's not a man yet. That poor boy , what a callous and cruel end.

screamer

I think this is just so unbelievable it's shocking. Poor young lad 18 you've your whole life ahead of you. RIP. I really feel sorry for him and his family.
If the allegations are true and he was murdered in front of people who left him there and have stayed silent then what kind of scum are we rearing in this country?

Captain Obvious

That's awful. How do you stand by and watch that happen and not even report it after?

iamwhoiam

That is so sad to read , the poor lad

eviltwin

TomOnBoard wrote: »

I also found it strange that it did not appear to merit any discussion here.

I have to be honest, when I heard about the body of a young male being discovered I assumed it was gang related. I'm ashamed that was my first thought. I hope whoever was involved comes forward. I can't understand why they haven't already.

Suckit

I would imagine the phone has already been destroyed for whatever reason.

I really hope that wasn't the reason for the fight or whatever happened that ended up with this poor boy being murdered.

J Mysterio

I can't remember a time where there has been such a succession of terrible murders of innocent young people. It's surreal, terrible.

Muahahaha

20 lads in a field drinking and a fight breaks out. It is almost certain that mobile phones were recording it, Gardai should be arresting them all as suspects quick smart. I really hope this doesnt turn into a cover up like the Annabels case where tons of people saw the assault of Brian Murphy but none of the cowards ever came forward with information on his death. You could have parents right now telling their sons to keep denying they were even there/didnt see anything :mad:

TomOnBoard

Lackey wrote: »

If it turns out that he was murdered in front of his 'friends' and no one helped him they should all be done for it. Scum.

While I understand and agree with your sentiment, I suspect that ppl standing by doing nothing would be less legally culpable than if they were aiding, egging on or otherwise were a part of the crime itself. One can be in a situation where genuine fear suppresses heroism.

Of course, if someone took videos on their phone, they become very involved and need to make themselves known to AGS.

Suckit

TomOnBoard wrote: »

While I understand and agree with your sentiment, I suspect that ppl standing by doing nothing would be less legally culpable than if they were aiding, egging on or otherwise were a part of the crime itself. One can be in a situation where genuine fear suppresses heroism.

Of course, if someone took videos on their phone, they become very involved and need to make themselves known to AGS.

Apparently it is much less likely for a person to do something when they are in a crowd watching, than when they are alone - when they see something bad happening in front of them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

Bystander effect

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The bystander effect, or bystander apathy, is a social psychological phenomenon in which individuals are less likely to offer help to a victim when other people are present. The greater the number of bystanders, the less likely it is that any one of them will help. Several factors contribute to the bystander effect, including ambiguity, cohesiveness and diffusion of responsibility.

If it was initially just a fight, I would imagine a few were filming it on their phone.
Some may have deleted it by now though.

Sam Quentin

screamer wrote: »

I think this is just so unbelievable it's shocking. Poor young lad 18 you've your whole life ahead of you. RIP. I really feel sorry for him and his family.
If the allegations are true and he was murdered in front of people who left him there and have stayed silent then what kind of scum are we rearing in this country?

I hate saying this tho I've said it before.
Whether people like it or not, parents are not rearing their kids alone anymore, social media rears most kids nowadays, if parents are 50% involved in teens/early 20s kids lifes then I would be very surprised!?
The deep secrecy, sneakiness', silence etc of social media cannot be infiltrated and means more now to young people than any words or guidance that parents have to offer. It's near impossible to infiltrate and more so impossible to understand.
Watch for changes in your children and dont tolerate any non connections to you from them, watch out for laziness, watch out for stubborn attitude etc.. Parents are losing valuable family time and activities with their children and it's being eaten up by social media.

kylith

If there were other people there donmt they have an obligation to come forward or be considered accessories?

TomOnBoard

kylith wrote: »

If there were other people there donmt they have an obligation to come forward or be considered accessories?

A moral obligation - for most ppl, probably yes.

A legal obligation - possibly not. However they must do nothing to obstruct or interfere with AGS in the course of their investigation. On the other hand, they can't be expected to do AGSs job for them, particularly if it would put themselves in danger. The 'rat' concept is particularly prevalent in places and becoming one in the eyes of others can be extremely dangerous.

wexie

TomOnBoard wrote: »

A legal obligation - possibly not. However they must do nothing to obstruct or interfere with AGS in the course of their investigation. On the other hand, they can't be expected to do AGSs job for them, particularly if it would put themselves in danger. The 'rat' concept is particularly prevalent in places and becoming one in the eyes of others can be extremely dangerous.

So does that mean that if a person has information pertaining to a serious crime they have no obligation to come forward and supply AGS with the information?

Captain Obvious

wexie wrote: »

So does that mean that if a person has information pertaining to a serious crime they have no obligation to come forward and supply AGS with the information?

It was ruled unconstitutional.



A man charged with withholding information possibly leading to arrest or prosecution of another person in connection with a man’s killing in Sligo has won his High Court challenge to the constitutionality of the law under which he is charged.

TomOnBoard

wexie wrote: »

So does that mean that if a person has information pertaining to a serious crime they have no obligation to come forward and supply AGS with the information?

Once again, a moral rather than a legal one in most places. Most guidance Ive seen stress the need for ppl to help the Police by coming forward; not say that ppl are legally obliged. And a person is absolutely not legally required to place themselves in physical danger by coming forward. So Police ask for help; they don't demand it.

Franz Von Peppercorn

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Once again, a moral rather than a legal one in most places. Most guidance Ive seen stress the need for ppl to help the Police by coming forward; not say that ppl are legally obliged. And a person is absolutely not legally required to place themselves in physical danger by coming forward. So Police ask for help; they don't demand it.

Really.

Would have thought it was obstruction of justice to not help in these cases.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Captain Obvious wrote: »

It was ruled unconstitutional.



A man charged with withholding information possibly leading to arrest or prosecution of another person in connection with a man’s killing in Sligo has won his High Court challenge to the constitutionality of the law under which he is charged.

Unbelievable.

Well fixing that is a referendum I can get behind.

TomOnBoard

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Really.

Would have thought it was obstruction of justice to not help in these cases.

I'd like it to be also. However, its not the way it is, as least for now, unless the alleged crime is being/was committed against a child or vulnerable person.

wexie

Captain Obvious wrote: »

It was ruled unconstitutional.



A man charged with withholding information possibly leading to arrest or prosecution of another person in connection with a man’s killing in Sligo has won his High Court challenge to the constitutionality of the law under which he is charged.

That's friggin nuts!!! :eek:

Fair enough if there was some form of limitation that you can't be compelled to incriminate yourself but....

that's terrible.

TomOnBoard

wexie wrote: »

That's friggin nuts!!! :eek:

Fair enough if there was some form of limitation that you can't be compelled to incriminate yourself but....

that's terrible.

I think that was exactly the basis for the decision, I.e right to not self- incriminate.

J Mysterio

Suckit wrote: »

Apparently it is much less likely for a person to do something when they are in a crowd watching, than when they are alone - when they see something bad happening in front of them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect


If it was initially just a fight, I would imagine a few were filming it on their phone.
Some may have deleted it by now though.

While this is all still idle speculation, i'd imagine much would be recoverable if that had actually happened.

Roger_007

Captain Obvious wrote: »

It was ruled unconstitutional.



A man charged with withholding information possibly leading to arrest or prosecution of another person in connection with a man’s killing in Sligo has won his High Court challenge to the constitutionality of the law under which he is charged.

This is in stark contrast to the case of the Australian bishop who was convicted of withholding information regarding sex abuse perpetrated by another person. Obviously Australian law is different, or maybe sex abuse is regarded as a more serious crime than murder.

TomOnBoard

Roger_007 wrote: »

This is in stark contrast to the case of the Australian bishop who was convicted of withholding information regarding sex abuse perpetrated by another person. Obviously Australian law is different, or maybe sex abuse is regarded as a more serious crime than murder.

If the matter related to a child or vulnerable person, similar rules would apply here...

riffmongous

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

IN fairness, it's not the gardai:

"A source told Independent.ie the cause of death had been established as strangulation" (to quote the article linked to in the opening post) which, with that lot, could mean absolutely anyone.

If it was in front of a group of friends, then one would think it would be relatively easy to find witnesses.

I thought the way it said 'a senior source said Gardai..' was implying it was a Garda, but you're right that it could actually be anyone

Ash.J.Williams

TomOnBoard wrote: »

I also found it strange that it did not appear to merit any discussion here.

Sure thats the way it is now..

JP Liz V1

I think life in Ireland should mean life, no way should a killer be out after a few years to restart their life and if "friends" witnessed the killing and did nothing they too should be punished

Happy4all

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Sure thats the way it is now..

I do think if the victim was a young woman of 18 we would have had an instant thread. Equally as sad as the other recent murders.

Ash.J.Williams

Happy4all wrote: »

I do think if the victim was a young woman of 18 we would have had an instant thread. Equally as sad as the other recent murders.

Thats just it... Also strange as it sounds we could have murder fatigue.

Uriel.

Roger_007 wrote: »

This is in stark contrast to the case of the Australian bishop who was convicted of withholding information regarding sex abuse perpetrated by another person. Obviously Australian law is different, or maybe sex abuse is regarded as a more serious crime than murder.

Not more serious as such but does have specific legislation
Eg
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2012/act/24/enacted/en/html

ANDREWMUFC

Why wasn’t there a thread made for this murder yesterday or this morning?

If the victim was a girl everyone would be talking about it. Sad but true

Uriel.

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Thats just it... Also strange as it sounds we could have murder fatigue.

Nah, it's the fact that he was a man/boy.
May as well call it as it is.

SCOOP 64

The word fight being used but to put your hands around someones throat and squeeze as hard as you can with people watching his face changing colour as he suffocates and not one person telling him to stop your killing him just seems everyone watching must be inhuman.

Lackey

ANDREWMUFC wrote: »

Why wasn’t there a thread made for this murder yesterday or this morning?

If the victim was a girl everyone would be talking about it. Sad but true

Why didn't you or anyone else giving out make thread about it yesterday?

This thread is similar to the other two discussions on the awful murders this week....all three are being used by idiots obsessed with a gender war that doesn't exist in real life.

eviltwin

ANDREWMUFC wrote: »

Why wasn’t there a thread made for this murder yesterday or this morning?

If the victim was a girl everyone would be talking about it. Sad but true

Tbh I think a lot of people hear about a young man found dead in a field and automatically assume scumbag.

Captain Obvious

Roger_007 wrote: »

This is in stark contrast to the case of the Australian bishop who was convicted of withholding information regarding sex abuse perpetrated by another person. Obviously Australian law is different, or maybe sex abuse is regarded as a more serious crime than murder.

I think there are different rules for people in positions of trust.

uck51js9zml2yt

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

The word fight being used but to put your hands around someones throat and squeeze as hard as you can with people watching his face changing colour as he suffocates and not one person telling him to stop your killing him just seems everyone watching must be inhuman.

If it's true, they all need to be charged with murder.

Ken.

Mod-For fück sake, how many fücking times do ye have to be told not to feed the god damn trolls.

martingriff

ANDREWMUFC wrote: »

Why wasn’t there a thread made for this murder yesterday or this morning?

If the victim was a girl everyone would be talking about it. Sad but true

Where were you yesterday. There has been 2 thread's recently 1 was a 13 year old and 1 was abducted the threads were up before there deaths looking for help in finding them. This is no gender war and to make a thread about a murder into one is very disgusting in my opinion