Cameron Reilly Murder

Happy4all · 29-05-2018 08:57PM

Rezident wrote: »

How is there still no progress on this!? They know there were witnesses, this is supposedly a small town where everybody knows each other. Several people must know who it was.

They need evidence, which they haven't found yet or not revealed at this stage.

Captain Obvious · 29-05-2018 09:04PM

Rezident wrote: »

How is there still no progress on this!? They know there were witnesses, this is supposedly a small town where everybody knows each other. Several people must know who it was.

How do you know there is no progress? The same kind of comments were being made about Ana's murder too. Why do people think Gardaí will keep the public updated like that?

griffin100 · 29-05-2018 09:15PM

Personally I hope whoever did this is not a juvenile so they can be named and get a mandatory life sentence rather than being able to hide behind their age

Squatter · 29-05-2018 09:30PM

griffin100 wrote: »

Personally I hope whoever did this is not a juvenile so they can be named and get a mandatory life sentence rather than being able to hide behind their age

If someone is eventually identified and charged with murder, the Irish taxpayer (us) will pay for an expensive defence lawyer who will do everything in his/her power to get the accused off. :mad:

Gatling · 29-05-2018 09:39PM

Squatter wrote: »

If someone is eventually identified and charged with murder, the Irish taxpayer (us) will pay for an expensive defence lawyer who will do everything in his/her power to get the accused off. :mad:

A few years in oberstown and be out for their 21st

AllForIt · 29-05-2018 09:41PM

griffin100 wrote: »

Personally I hope whoever did this is not a juvenile so they can be named and get a mandatory life sentence rather than being able to hide behind their age

I certainly agree that sentencing for juvenile crime is way too low in general. For serious crimes I think those over 13 should be sent to a prison purpose built for them and run in exactly the same way as an adult prison rather than being sent to detention centres. This subject has come up before and I know I'm an outlier on this but I firmly believe for serious offences we need to be more harsh on them, give them a taste of reality, then there might be a higher chance that they will willingly reform while they still have time to save their lives - which is what we would all want them to do rather than going back to crime as soon as they get out after too short a period in a cushy detention centre.

azwethinkweiz · 29-05-2018 09:52PM

Just on the snapchat thing... I did hear that a girl was opening them but on a tablet. Apparently young ones will share their Snapchat logins so they have friends who keep their "streak" up for them. Could be as simple as that?

From what I hear the gardaí are happy enough with how their investigation is going so far. So hopefully they are getting the info they need and are whittling down now... hopefully.

fly_agaric · 29-05-2018 11:01PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Young or old. They're still cnuts though.

Even hardened criminals and terrorists started somewhere. Most of those had mammies and daddies.

I just don't buy the 'what is it with kids these days' line.

Killing someone violently isn't just "starting somewhere" - more like heading right to the top of the dangerous menace to society list along with hardened criminals and terrorists.

True, its likely a statistical blip rather than the beginning of a new trend, but last few days have been disturbing (and made me as a fogey wonder a bit about "kids these days").

Suckit · 30-05-2018 12:20AM

The Mirror have changed the story in that link to say that the phone is NOT found, and that it was the local priests.

I did read about the priests phone earlier on this thread, but the Mirrors story makes no sense now. They should just delete the story or stop at "His phone was NOT found".

TomOnBoard · 30-05-2018 12:48AM

Suckit wrote: »

The Mirror have changed the story in that link to say that the phone is NOT found, and that it was the local priests.

I did read about the priests phone earlier on this thread, but the Mirrors story makes no sense now. They should just delete the story or stop at "His phone was NOT found".

Mirror clickbait story. Crappy lazy journalism TBH.

Muahahaha · 30-05-2018 01:52AM

azwethinkweiz wrote: »

Just on the snapchat thing... I did hear that a girl was opening them but on a tablet. Apparently young ones will share their Snapchat logins so they have friends who keep their "streak" up for them. Could be as simple as that?

From what I hear the gardaí are happy enough with how their investigation is going so far. So hopefully they are getting the info they need and are whittling down now... hopefully.

Showing my age here but what is a streak on Snapchat? Like just logging into it or actually posting something?

Saw a headline on one of the papers that Gardai are focusing in on a boyfriend & girlfriend acting in tandem as the suspects

The Iron Giant · 30-05-2018 02:43AM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Showing my age here but what is a streak on Snapchat? Like just logging into it or actually posting something?

Saw a headline on one of the papers that Gardai are focusing in on a boyfriend & girlfriend acting in tandem as the suspects

A streak on Snapchat is essentially the sending of snapchats on consecutive days to the same person/people. Snapchat notes the length of the 'streak' next to the relevant contact and once its broken the number disappears and you start at zero again.

Muahahaha · 30-05-2018 03:14AM

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

A streak on Snapchat is essentially the sending of snapchats on consecutive days to the same person/people. Snapchat notes the length of the 'streak' next to the relevant contact and once its broken the number disappears and you start at zero again.

ah right. So basically a tool to keep kids using it everyday for fear the score would go back to zero. A bit like how Trip Advisor are always sending me emails to leave more reviews so I can get up different levels and one day be called a Super Reviewer (Wow :rolleyes:) or some such, iirc they call it "gameifcation" and it is supposed to tap into the human psychology of building something and then the fear of letting it go (or having it taken away from you in Snapchats case it seems)

Adrift · 30-05-2018 09:13AM

We're losing empathy lads. There's a generation there that have never been held accountable for any action no matter how trivial. I was only saying a few weeks back that the most dangerous age bracket is 13-19 - literally do not give a f*ck. And unfortunately cases like poor Cameron's here are not uncommon.

whelan2 · 30-05-2018 09:34AM

More crap in the mirror today

azwethinkweiz · 30-05-2018 09:48AM

CatHugz wrote: »

Yep to my knowledge thats exactly where i believe it happened. I could be wrong but I was there yesterday after the vigil and the pics in the news depict that strip. The tape in the ditch is what I recognised which you can see the Rivervale side. I too thought at first maybe the field behind closer to Glen Dimplex. And maybe it is and not where i thought? But here it explains better the proximity of Shamrock Grove and Rivervale residents being asked to come forward if they know anything

There's an RTE news link (I can't post url) with headline: "Fresh Appeal issued over murder of Cameron Reilly" which shows that strip very clearly

I see. I saw them searching up there but I didn't realise it was actually ON that strip that he was found. That's even more disturbing for me - I used to walk our dog up there. Makes more sense he was found by someone walking their dog then. It's right in front of houses too!? And just through the trees is Beechwood. He was so close to his grannys house - so close to safety. My heart breaks for him and the family. To have your loved one be brutally murdered possibly by his friends right near your doorstep... could it be much worse than that?

Suckit · 30-05-2018 10:40AM

One thing I have noticed between this murder and the Ana Kriegel murder, is that the Gardaí seem to give the suspect plenty of time to come forward.
I am guessing that there are plenty of reasons for this, showing remorse being one.

They must know who the girl is, that is suspected of 'witnessing' the murder. They seem to know her age, her movements and presumably where she lives.
I would guess that others at the scene have already spoken at this stage. The murderers DNA will be all over Cameron.

Like the suspect for Ana Kriegels murder, they also had information but did not make any arrests for almost a week.

30-05-2018 10:45AM

Adrift wrote: »

We're losing empathy lads. There's a generation there that have never been held accountable for any action no matter how trivial. I was only saying a few weeks back that the most dangerous age bracket is 13-19 - literally do not give a f*ck. And unfortunately cases like poor Cameron's here are not uncommon.

Except they literally are.

Captain Obvious · 30-05-2018 10:52AM

Suckit wrote: »

One thing I have noticed between this murder and the Ana Kriegel murder, is that the Gardaí seem to give the suspect plenty of time to come forward.
I am guessing that there are plenty of reasons for this, showing remorse being one.

They must know who the girl is, that is suspected of 'witnessing' the murder. They seem to know her age, her movements and presumably where she lives.
I would guess that others at the scene have already spoken at this stage. The murderers DNA will be all over Cameron.

Like the suspect for Ana Kriegels murder, they also had information but did not make any arrests for almost a week.

Giving them time to show remorse isn't a part of it. It's just about gathering enough evidence to put to them during an interrogation.

whisky_galore · 30-05-2018 10:53AM

Adrift wrote: »

We're losing empathy lads. There's a generation there that have never been held accountable for any action no matter how trivial. I was only saying a few weeks back that the most dangerous age bracket is 13-19 - literally do not give a f*ck. And unfortunately cases like poor Cameron's here are not uncommon.

Oh really?
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-missing-postman-26713401.html
A whole village that closed ranks when someone disappeared, back in lovely old timey Ireland.

Where was all the empathy in this country when the place was full of laundries and industrial schools?
No accountability either....so...yeah. And you say young people don't give a fcuk?

I recall in the 80's they said the youth were going to the dogs with all the 'video nasties' and the in 90's and 00's it was the video games that were making them violent...

Suckit · 30-05-2018 10:56AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Giving them time to show remorse isn't a part of it. It's just about gathering enough evidence to put to them during an interrogation.

No, I know that. The reason I wrote that was that showing remorse, or handing themselves, in often means the legal system does not go as hard on them.

utyh2ikcq9z76b · 30-05-2018 11:07AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Giving them time to show remorse isn't a part of it. It's just about gathering enough evidence to put to them during an interrogation.

Maybe they give them enough time to hang themselves on their social media/Messengers, no doubt they had warrants on all the accounts straight away. And with so many people no doubt a lot of them where talking about it

azwethinkweiz · 30-05-2018 11:30AM

Independent is reporting now that they think Cameron may have been lured to his death with a text or phonecall. They say there was a heated argument between Cameron and a girl outside the chipper - that could be the catalyst. (EDIT: I think I read this part in a different article and confused the two).

I don't know that they'll ever find that phone now but the phone company will have some record of incoming calls/texts won't they?

DNA will be crucial to prove this I think... but that all relies on finding the right person to DNA test in the first place.

Suckit · 30-05-2018 11:59AM

Would they be able to tell if it was male or female from the marks on his neck?
Presumably the DNA will show that anyway.

wakka12 · 30-05-2018 12:13PM

I doubt a girl could strangle a grown and fairly average or above average size man like cameron unless a weapon was used.

Suckit · 30-05-2018 12:18PM

CatHugz wrote: »

Yep to my knowledge thats exactly where i believe it happened. I could be wrong but I was there yesterday after the vigil and the pics in the news depict that strip. The tape in the ditch is what I recognised which you can see the Rivervale side. I too thought at first maybe the field behind closer to Glen Dimplex. And maybe it is and not where i thought? But here it explains better the proximity of Shamrock Grove and Rivervale residents being asked to come forward if they know anything

There's an RTE news link (I can't post url) with headline: "Fresh Appeal issued over murder of Cameron Reilly" which shows that strip very clearly

azwethinkweiz wrote: »

I see. I saw them searching up there but I didn't realise it was actually ON that strip that he was found. That's even more disturbing for me - I used to walk our dog up there. Makes more sense he was found by someone walking their dog then. It's right in front of houses too!? And just through the trees is Beechwood. He was so close to his grannys house - so close to safety. My heart breaks for him and the family. To have your loved one be brutally murdered possibly by his friends right near your doorstep... could it be much worse than that?

The Irish Times has a detailed description about the area
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/someone-knows-something-cameron-reilly-greatly-missed-in-dunleer-1.3512995

You would have to imagine the phone is destroyed at this stage, unless whoever has it has been unable to yet.

Adamocovic · 30-05-2018 12:27PM

azwethinkweiz wrote: »

Independent is reporting now that they think Cameron may have been lured to his death with a text or phonecall. They say there was a heated argument between Cameron and a girl outside the chipper - that could be the catalyst.

I don't know that they'll ever find that phone now but the phone company will have some record of incoming calls/texts won't they?

DNA will be crucial to prove this I think... but that all relies on finding the right person to DNA test in the first place.

Link to the one I read

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-investigating-if-cameron-reilly-18-lured-to-his-death-with-phone-call-from-a-trusted-friend-36960899.html

Where did you hear it was an argument with a girl? Says he was involved in an argument during the night while socialising with a group, which they reckon could have been the trigger to the events.

Then go on to say the phone is missing as the person who lured him there would be the last to call or message. They seem to be focusing now on DNA evidence rather than hopeful of the phone. I reckon it's long gone.

But if sources saw an argument they may get a suspect or person of interest to run DNA tests with.

Pure speculation but it sounds like a fallen out or disagreement, then a couple of people tricked him to coming to the field and bet him, ultimately killing him. No doubt when they are caught they will say they didn't mean to murder him but rather beat him. Absolutely disgusting and hope they are caught swiftly and made an example of.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 30-05-2018 12:29PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Oh really?
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-missing-postman-26713401.html
A whole village that closed ranks when someone disappeared, back in lovely old timey Ireland.

Where was all the empathy in this country when the place was full of laundries and industrial schools?
No accountability either....so...yeah. And you say young people don't give a fcuk?

I recall in the 80's they said the youth were going to the dogs with all the 'video nasties' and the in 90's and 00's it was the video games that were making them violent...

Didn't seem to be as many brutal murders back then.

Went from like 1 a year in the 60s to a couple per week in the space of 50 yrs.

Adamocovic · 30-05-2018 12:30PM

Suckit wrote: »

One thing I have noticed between this murder and the Ana Kriegel murder, is that the Gardaí seem to give the suspect plenty of time to come forward.
I am guessing that there are plenty of reasons for this, showing remorse being one.

They must know who the girl is, that is suspected of 'witnessing' the murder. They seem to know her age, her movements and presumably where she lives.
I would guess that others at the scene have already spoken at this stage. The murderers DNA will be all over Cameron.

Like the suspect for Ana Kriegels murder, they also had information but did not make any arrests for almost a week.

Apparently Gardaí were spotted getting tours of the area with teenagers so it would look like some have come forward, whether they witnessed the crime or not.

And I agree, I think the Gardaí are hoping with time the guilt and fear of being caught will make one of the suspects come to them rather than them pursuing the suspects. It is a lot more straight-forward if the guilt drives them or one of them to confess.

azwethinkweiz · 30-05-2018 12:36PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

Link to the one I read

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-investigating-if-cameron-reilly-18-lured-to-his-death-with-phone-call-from-a-trusted-friend-36960899.html

Where did you hear it was an argument with a girl? Says he was involved in an argument during the night while socialising with a group, which they reckon could have been the trigger to the events.

Then go on to say the phone is missing as the person who lured him there would be the last to call or message. They seem to be focusing now on DNA evidence rather than hopeful of the phone. I reckon it's long gone.

But if sources saw an argument they may get a suspect or person of interest to run DNA tests with.

Pure speculation but it sounds like a fallen out or disagreement, then a couple of people tricked him to coming to the field and bet him, ultimately killing him. No doubt when they are caught they will say they didn't mean to murder him but rather beat him. Absolutely disgusting and hope they are caught swiftly and made an example of.

It must've been a different article where I read about the argument with a girl. I can't remember where I read it now - I think it said it was caught on the CCTV from outside the chipper though.

I agree that the phone is probably long gone. Knowing it's vital evidence, I doubt the killer just kept it. Probably smashed it up and burned it. DNA does seem to be the way it's looking now.

I don't think anyone can claim to accidentally strangle someone. It takes a lot of force and a surprisingly long time to strangle somebody - it's not like the movies. So I'm hoping they don't get away with that excuse in the end.

Cameron Reilly Murder

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