Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

AtomicHorror · 27-05-2018 12:07AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Please explain "obviously"?

What is next do you think.

It's a long list. The question's a bit stupid tbh.

ittakestwo · 27-05-2018 12:07AM

Felt sad walking out of the polling station. Was a very tough descion. Really glad to see many happy faces around when the results came known. Although I voted NO I am glad it was a landslide result as a tight result would have led to problems.

amcalester · 27-05-2018 12:09AM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Shareable maternity/paternity leave would be great. My wife would have gone back to work sooner, and I'd have loved more time to be home for the start of things. Give us 8 months to split up as we like.

Yup, don’t think that 6 months each would not be feasible but 9 months shared between the 2 could work.

Would also cut into the gender wage gap (if it exists) as well.

There’s an assumption that the time off would be shared equally between men and women

AtomicHorror · 27-05-2018 12:12AM

amcalester wrote: »

Yup, don’t think that 6 months each would not be feasible but 9 months shared between the 2 could work.

Would also cut into the gender wage gap (if it exists) as well.

There’s an assumption that the time off would be shared equally between men and women

Yeah, in practice I guess it wouldn't at first, there's a lot of cultural change needed on gender roles there. But it would help a bit with the wage gap/career progression problem.

SusieBlue · 27-05-2018 12:12AM

I was just thinking earlier... I’m 27 years old.

Since I was born, we’ve decriminalised homosexuality & suicide (‘93), we legalised divorce the same year the very last Magdelene Laundry closed (‘96), we were one of the first countries to legalise same sex marriage in 2015. Today, we’ve given way to make abortion safe and legal.

That is such a huge amount of social progression in just my lifetime.
The Ireland I was born into is an incredibly different place to our current society, in such a short space of time.
It’s something to be immensely proud of. It shows we are an adaptable, inclusive, progressive society.
I know it sounds cringy but today has given me such hope for the future of this country.
I’m so proud of our little island and all we’ve achieved.

Sweetemotion · 27-05-2018 12:13AM

Overheal wrote: »

Impossible to say with certainty now. Very simple to say that they have moved toward parity further though. For instance the Irish Constitution still states

"In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.

"The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home."

And there are probably still gender wage gaps I presume? So no, I would not say confidently that women and men are on equal playing fields yet, just more equal after today.

I don't get this whole gender wage gap. It's been debunked on hour works.

It's like you want the state to pay the same for hours spent at home doing "duties" as the man working but then use that as an oppression.

Sheeps · 27-05-2018 12:14AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

The Ireland I was born into is an incredibly different place to our current society

Luckily, otherwise you may never have been born.

Sweetemotion · 27-05-2018 12:14AM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

It's a long list. The question's a bit stupid tbh.

Name one right a man has that a woman doesn't.

Sheeps · 27-05-2018 12:15AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

I don't get this whole gender wage gap. It's been debunked on hour works.

It's like you want the state to pay the same for hours spent at home doing "duties" as the man working but then use that as an oppression.

The gender wage gap exists, but it's not as a result of that particular text in the constitution as Overheal may have you believe.

amcalester · 27-05-2018 12:15AM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Yeah, in practice I guess it wouldn't at first, there's a lot of cultural change needed on gender roles there. But it would help a bit with the wage gap/career progression problem.

I do think that a lot of the pay gap is down to time off for maternity so this would wipe that out.

Anecdotally I’ve heard female hiring managers turn down female candidates because they were afraid of possible maternity leave down the line.

Shared leave would do away with this fear.

SusieBlue · 27-05-2018 12:15AM

Sheeps wrote: »

Luckily, otherwise you may never have been born.

Cry me a river hun. Build a bridge.

Overheal · 27-05-2018 12:15AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Name one right a man has that a woman doesn't.

100 cents on the dollar pay.

sporina · 27-05-2018 12:16AM

its about women's rights

we have been suppressed since forever

today has changed that

Overheal · 27-05-2018 12:17AM

Sheeps wrote: »

Luckily, otherwise you may never have been born.

Quite lucky my parents had sex on a tuesday and not a thursday, or that they chose the position they did or else some other sperm might have made it there first.

You have no idea how silly you sound to other people, so I'm pointing it out to you. Stahp.

Sweetemotion · 27-05-2018 12:17AM

Overheal wrote: »

100 cents on the dollar pay.

I don't get it.

January · 27-05-2018 12:18AM

Just for the information of anyone actually arguing with tatranska he left the repeal debate way back last year after having compared women looking for abortions to children demanding sweets. Sometimes we have to say no to them. :rolleyes:

AtomicHorror · 27-05-2018 12:19AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

I was just thinking earlier... I’m 27 years old.

Since I was born, we’ve decriminalised homosexuality & suicide (‘93), we legalised divorce the same year the very last Magdelene Laundry closed (‘96), we were one of the first countries to legalise same sex marriage in 2015. Today, we’ve given way to make abortion safe and legal.

That is such a huge amount of social progression in just my lifetime.
The Ireland I was born into is an incredibly different place to our current society, in such a short space of time.
It’s something to be immensely proud of. It shows we are an adaptable, inclusive, progressive society.
I know it sounds cringy but today has given me such hope for the future of this country.
I’m so proud of our little island and all we’ve achieved.

Same feeling here. I'm a cynical sort of person, and far from patriotic. Yet very proud of our country of late. A great sense of hope for what is to come.

Mind you, if I need to ground myself, there's a thread here on AH asking if men should now have the right to exit parenthood, since the women have the right to choose and all.

And I'm myself again. **** everything. But with a dash of hope.

JohnnyFlash · 27-05-2018 12:19AM

Wouldn't have rated Simon Harris that much before now, but fair fúcks to him. The young lad played a blinder.

Kudos, also, to Enda Kenny for kicking the whole thing off.

Overheal · 27-05-2018 12:21AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

I don't get it.

Sorry, 100 cent on the Euro pay.

Women earn 86 cent on the Euro compared to their male counterparts in Ireland.

SusieBlue · 27-05-2018 12:21AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Wouldn't have rated Simon Harris that much before now, but fair fúcks to him. The young lad played a blinder.

I think I fell in love with him a bit while watching PrimeTime. Sassy Simon did us proud.

Overheal · 27-05-2018 12:22AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

I think I fell in love with him a bit while watching PrimeTime. Sassy Simon did us proud.

No I saw it, as much as I can through a message board - you were swooning.

Sheeps · 27-05-2018 12:23AM

Overheal wrote: »

Sorry, 100 cent on the Euro pay.

Women earn 86 cent on the Euro compared to their male counterparts in Ireland.

Don't have a baby and this won't happen.

sporina · 27-05-2018 12:23AM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Same feeling here. I'm a cynical sort of person, and far from patriotic. Yet very proud of our country of late. A great sense of hope for what is to come.

Mind you, if I need to ground myself, there's a thread here on AH asking if men should now have the right to exit parenthood, since the women have the right to choose and all.

And I'm myself again. **** everything. But with a dash of hope.

thats mental

SusieBlue · 27-05-2018 12:23AM

Sheeps wrote: »

Don't have a baby and this won't happen.

You are truly a fountain of knowledge.
Please write a book, I’ll buy it.

January · 27-05-2018 12:23AM

Sheeps wrote: »

Don't have a baby and this won't happen.

Booooom. Mind blown.

Overheal · 27-05-2018 12:25AM

Sheeps wrote: »

Don't have a baby and this won't happen.

Please elaborate what you mean by this. This should be gold.

Sweetemotion · 27-05-2018 12:25AM

Overheal wrote: »

Sorry, 100 cent on the Euro pay.

Women earn 86 cent on the Euro compared to their male counterparts in Ireland.

For the same hours and same work?

Is minimum wage lower for women.

AtomicHorror · 27-05-2018 12:28AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

I don't get this whole gender wage gap. It's been debunked on hour works.

Yeah, it is true that once you identify the various causes for the wage gap and factor those into the calculations, the wage gap disappears from the calculations. That being how math works.

If only we could figure out how to make it disappear from reality.

Sheeps wrote: »

Luckily, otherwise you may never have been born.

I don't want to backseat mod- it's not right, I know that- but can you ban a person for their own sake? Is that a thing? Someone help him please.

Billy86 · 27-05-2018 12:29AM

Overheal wrote: »

Sorry, 100 cent on the Euro pay.

Women earn 86 cent on the Euro compared to their male counterparts in Ireland.

Funny one though that Wibbs pointed out to me a while back - women under 30 without kids earn more than their male counterparts in Ireland (or did as of about 2014 if memory serves?). The problem comes in when they get pregnant and... see where I am going with this.

Actually though, small tangent but I hope they find a way to get rid of maternity leave and replace it with a general parental leave after this. The maternity leave system is horrendously dated and can be unfair on mother, father AND child all in the one family (say if she earns more and is career-driven, while he earns less and is family-driven, meaning the child also grows up in a house with less money and resources... a perfect example of a lose/lose/lose scenario).

Sheeps · 27-05-2018 12:32AM

Overheal wrote: »

Please elaborate what you mean by this. This should be gold.

The gender pay gap is not the cynical sexist agenda by the man pig illuminati the way most feminazis will have you think. Women who take maternity leave get left behind on promotions, because their male colleagues get the experience and opportunities. It's a simple exposure problem. Most studies show that the same gap exists between women who have children and women who don't as exists between women who have children and their male colleagues. Paraphrasing and simplifying most studies on the issue.

Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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