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Movementarian

AtomicHorror wrote: »

I'm sorry but, this is just nonsense. Golden Miller, when you talked about the "real" Ireland of the days before Celtic Tiger and the '93 decriminalisation... as a 28 year old just what in the **** are you talking about? You were 3 years old when homosexuality was legalised. 5 years old for divorce. The Celtic Tiger is about all you can remember- that was from age 5 to 17 for you.

The golden age you're harkening back to is just a story someone else told you. You were no more there for that time than the young people who just won repeal.

Ah here you know its unfair to use your 'facts' and 'logic' against GoldenMiller. Come on now.

Overheal

The_Brood wrote: »

As someone who has gone through the university experience, i can tell you that the only thought and opinions ever allowed to be expressed are those firmly in line with the liberal majority. Nothing else is even remotely tolerated.

I went through college experience in Ireland, 2 years of it, and so far about 6 years in the US.

In my experience, that has simply been untrue. The only thing not tolerated are things like racism, etc. same as here. I've worked in offices with staff and faculty here, worked with fellow students, etc. that coexist quite peacefully with opposing views on firearms, socialism, capitalism, Bernie, Trump, Obama, Hillary, Confederate Statues, abortions, etc. that tell off-color jokes and the sky doesn't fall when these things are discussed, nobody is ostracized, nobody is attacked. The campus papers even quite regularly sport opposing viewpoints on controversial issues and even had some quite controversial speakers here. Debate over Clemson's Tillman Hall is a great lookup if you have doubts about this.

Perhaps you can regale us with examples of totally rational and fair viewpoints that you are forbidden from expressing at University, particularly those that don't fall 'firmly in line with the liberal majority?' Perhaps you could even specify where you went through this University experience you claim to have.

zeisszhoos

It was all soundbites Susie

Boards is an echo chamber

The Golden Miller

uptherebels wrote: »

Couldn't implies unable to not can't
For someone who has been to college I shouldn't have to give lessons on basic English.

Why be wity when I can be factual.

Your clearly carrying a serious chip about the result

You can extrapolate any meaning you want, I never said they could talk. But I guess it was a remark to dehumanise them. Babies can't talk either

erica74

erica74 wrote: »

Well it's funny you should mention them because I was just thinking the influx of new posters every day has dried up all of a sudden!



Eh you forgot the "ugly truth", "the jews" and "genocide"!

Also missing were the classics that it was a commie,islamist,Wicca plot those were some of my favourite ones.

Overheal

The Golden Miller wrote: »

You can extrapolate any meaning you want, I never said they could talk. But I guess it was a remark to dehumanise them. Babies can't talk either

Nobody is discussing the abortion of the born though?

The Golden Miller

SusieBlue wrote: »

Sorry but I won’t entertain any notion that the Ireland that criminalized gay people, allowed marital rape, and was still sending women to mother & baby homes is a better Ireland than today.
There is absolutely nothing nostalgic or to feel pride in how we once treated some of our citizens.
We are of similar age but it sounds like you grew up in a completely different country to me.

You can speak for yourself when you say you don’t care about moral issues and other people but you certainly don’t speak for me.

Your earnest disdain at pretty much the whole of our culture and society is bizarre - what are you personally doing to change it, and make it a ‘better’, more acceptable Ireland?

You're branding a generation by what one institution did, as if it were one and the same as the people, who at the time didn't have a notion of all those scandals. Bad things happen in all generations, everyday. I'd rather my child grew up in the 90's

Overheal

The Golden Miller wrote: »

You're branding a generation by what one institution did, as if it were one and the same as the people, who at the time didn't have a notion of all those scandals. Bad things happen in all generations, everyday. I'd rather my child grew up in the 90's

You think people didn't know gays were being criminalized? That they were being raped by their spouses? That there were mother and baby homes?

Again, the rose-colored glasses. Forgetting about the bombings, then? The Troubles, eh? Stop digging yourself into a nostalgia you never got the full picture of.

The Golden Miller

AtomicHorror wrote: »

I'm sorry but, this is just nonsense. Golden Miller, when you talked about the "real" Ireland of the days before Celtic Tiger and the '93 decriminalisation... as a 28 year old just what in the **** are you talking about? You were 3 years old when homosexuality was legalised. 5 years old for divorce. The Celtic Tiger is about all you can remember- that was from age 5 to 17 for you.

The golden age you're harkening back to is just a story someone else told you. You were no more there for that time than the young people who just won repeal.

I grew up in a poor household in the 90's and seen the moral integrity of two generations above me. If you took something else from what I said, then so be it. People have nothing to say anymore, just conform.

ziedth

ziedth wrote: »

Just saw Katie Ascough's statement on facebook there...... for some reason all i could think of when someone gets voted off X-Factor and they always say "This isn't the last you've heard of me..."

Yeah sounds very cartoon evil villan like.

I'd say we'll see the like of youth defence start to physically and verbally abuse both medics and patients around hospitals and GP surgeries.

Overheal

The Golden Miller wrote: »

People have nothing to say anymore, just conform.

Actually your unique, if not misguided viewpoint is self-evidence against this argument!

The Golden Miller

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I grew up in a poor household in the 90's and seen the moral integrity of two generations above me. If you took something else from what I said, then so be it. People have nothing to say anymore, just conform.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that a good few of the generation before you voted for repeal, suppose their just jumping on the bandwagon too.

uptherebels

The Golden Miller wrote: »

You can extrapolate any meaning you want, I never said they could talk. But I guess it was a remark to dehumanise them. Babies can't talk either

Really informing you a fetus can't talk is somehow dehumanising them?

So you do know the difference between couldn't and can't.

No point backtracking now

The Golden Miller

Overheal wrote: »

You think people didn't know gays were being criminalized? That they were being raped by their spouses? That there were mother and baby homes?

Again, the rose-colored glasses. Forgetting about the bombings, then? The Troubles, eh? Stop digging yourself into a nostalgia you never got the full picture of.

I remember the 90's extremely well, unless you are going to jump on someone else's point to dismiss what I'm saying. Even in the 90s people had something to say. The South was far removed from the troubles bar certain incidents which accounts for why we've so many southern partitionists, people still get raped by the their spouses etc. I'm comparing the integrity of the general standard of people then and now and there is no comparison. People then were well meaning, the youth now try to 'look' well meaning

Overheal

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I remember the 90's extremely well, unless you are going to jump on someone else's point to dismiss what I'm saying. Even in the 90s people had something to say. The South was far removed from the troubles bar certain incidents which accounts for why we've so many southern partitionists, people still get raped by the their spouses etc. I'm comparing the integrity of the general standard of people then and now and there is no comparison. People then were well meaning, the youth now try to 'look' well meaning

I still think you're generalizing here, and are still completely self-unaware that you're one of a million examples of the generation having differing opinions that don't all descend from some great hivemind.

The Golden Miller

uptherebels wrote: »

Really informing you a fetus can't talk is somehow dehumanising them?

So you do know the difference between couldn't and can't.

No point backtracking now

I'm the one back tracking over being correct on the specifics of what was ACTUALLY said? If you say so

A baby cant talk either. What's your point exactly?

The Golden Miller

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I remember the 90's extremely well, unless you are going to jump on someone else's point to dismiss what I'm saying. Even in the 90s people had something to say. The South was far removed from the troubles bar certain incidents which accounts for why we've so many southern partitionists, people still get raped by the their spouses etc. I'm comparing the integrity of the general standard of people then and now and there is no comparison. People then were well meaning, the youth now try to 'look' well meaning

I did security in Dublin in the 90s a good few of the youth back then were complete scum, and I'm not talking about addicts.

gctest50

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I remember the 90's extremely well,......

hmm

The Golden Miller wrote: »

............

I'm 28

Overheal

A baby can certainly vocalize. But then, there is no question that a baby is a newborn person, so that seems like a useless inclusion in this discussion.

Overheal

gctest50 wrote: »

hmm

Yeah, I remember the Power Rangers, Bill Clinton, Peewee Baseball, and Diablo/Starcraft.

Simpler times.

gctest50

gctest50 wrote: »

hmm

Ah you got there first, too many drinks tonight

The Golden Miller

Overheal wrote: »

A baby can certainly vocalize. But then, there is no question that a baby is a newborn person, so that seems like a useless inclusion in this discussion.

She originally based their worth on whether they could speak. A baby cant speak either. It's not worthless, nor is the unborn

Overheal

The Golden Miller wrote: »

She originally based their worth on whether they could speak. A baby cant speak either. It's not worthless, nor is the unborn

Nobody did this.

gctest50

High time for people to be taking off the No-tinted glasses, calm down, have a nice cup of tea and a few After-Eights

The Golden Miller

Overheal wrote: »

I still think you're generalizing here, and are still completely self-unaware that you're one of a million examples of the generation having differing opinions that don't all descend from some great hivemind.

Im aware of it, but we're a dying breed, there's a noticeable decline in free thought in the youth as far as I can personally see

The Golden Miller

Overheal wrote: »

Nobody did this.

Well then I've no idea what her point was?

PurvesGrundy

Who's betting that the next big thing now will be euthanasia...

Anyone??

Overheal

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Im aware of it, but we're a dying breed, there's a noticeable decline in free thought in the youth as far as I can personally see

I respectfully disagree, and find that idea to be hysteria. But far be it from me to try and assuage you of that thinking, there will always be those who are paranoid of the majority - sometimes justifiable, sometimes not.

In 1990 there were 5.30 Billion people in the world. There are now 7.50 Billion. And wider access to information, unique information, at that. I fundamentally disagree we are walking towards dystopia.

gctest50

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Who's betting that the next big thing now will be euthanasia...

Anyone??

The no's will already be on that one - have to keep the money from the USA flowing in

The Golden Miller

DubInMeath wrote: »

You seem to be ignoring the fact that a good few of the generation before you voted for repeal, suppose their just jumping on the bandwagon too.

No I believe they wanted to repeal for the hard cases generally. The youth seemed to want unlimited abortion on demand, or in many cases couldn't substantiate or understand what they wanted at all. You see, when you question them on their own, they can't ask the guy beside them for the answer