Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

Graces7 · 26-05-2018 06:27PM

Billy86 wrote: »

They went YES in 2015 to be fair (albeit by 0.1% in the northern part!). I don't know the area well but know a few people from there who claim it's got an unnoticed but quite large number of essentially fundamentalist religious types, which might play a role.

Mayo too. We have fewer incomers and fewer big cities. Kerry not far behind

Noveight · 26-05-2018 06:27PM

seachto7 wrote: »

64% turnout is disappointing no?

Would've thought so too, evidently not however. An interesting statistic.

ohnonotgmail · 26-05-2018 06:29PM

seachto7 wrote: »

64% turnout is disappointing no? And a 66% Yes is also disappointing.... at least it passed

4% higher turnout than the marriage referendum and a vote of 65% was only dreamed of by the Yes side. So not a disappointment.

Billy86 · 26-05-2018 06:30PM

seachto7 wrote: »

64% turnout is disappointing no? And a 66% Yes is also disappointing.... at least it passed

Nah, not really. I was hoping we could push for 70% turnout but 64% is still pretty good and above 2015's 60.5%, while we've been told not only from the no campaign but also from the media that this would probably be very close to 50/50 for quite a while now.

66.4% is a complete and utter walkover and I'm sure there are plenty on the no side who were gearing themselves up for a "53% isn't a REAL majority so shouldn't count" hope of scuppering/delaying things that are now at a bit of a loss. I'm actually very confident about that as they were trying to push the same only earlier in this thread because on exit polls 12 weeks "only" got 52% (e.g. majority) support.

eviltwin · 26-05-2018 06:30PM

I was at the Savita mural in Dublin today. It was incredibly moving. People had written little messages and stuck them on the wall. Most of them from adults but the one that struck me the most was written in a child's handwriting. It was addressed to Savita and said "I wish you could see this". I hope today's result give her family some comfort. This country will never forget her.

mirrorwall14 · 26-05-2018 06:31PM

seachto7 wrote: »

64% turnout is disappointing no? And a 66% Yes is also disappointing.... at least it passed

Nope, this is very good. You'll never hit even close to 100% turnout on the current system. I moved my vote last minute on the supplementary register, received polling cards to both addresses. On top of that I got a polling card to an address in my parents, where I haven't been registered in 9 years (and didn't receive a card in previous years there).

I only voted once obviously but there's two votes that couldn't be fulfilled

BarleySweets · 26-05-2018 06:31PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Please no. We have more than enough of their type up here.

Please yes. Make a Kardashian’s type TV series following them too!

Trasna1 · 26-05-2018 06:32PM

seachto7 wrote: »

64% turnout is disappointing no? And a 66% Yes is also disappointing.... at least it passed

64% is quite high. In reality it's probably a much higher percentage of the electorate that actually live in Ireland but given that the register is such a mess, that can depress the apparent turnout percentage.

Shurimgreat · 26-05-2018 06:32PM

Billy86 wrote: »

You go ahead and keep trying to make the same false statements over and over again... sure it worked wonderfully for the no crowd yesterday, didn't it?

Meanwhile, Graces7's point was that Ireland's current abortion laws represent "civilization". And I have shown you ALL of the countries that have the most similar laws. If you want to keep going fine, but you've yet to actually back up the point that any of the countries in that list are the peak of civilisation. In fact you even used what you called a "sh1thole" country as an example in Venezuela, which it turns out has remarkably similar laws to our current ones. You lost the argument when you were unable to actually point out how the list of countries I gave you were beacons of civility to back up Graces7's argument (hint: because they're not).

Countries with free abortion rights
Canada, United States, Belarus, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Hungary, Moldova, Romania, Russian Federation, Slovakia, Ukraine, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Norway, Sweden, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Greece, Italy, Kosovo, Montenegro, Portugal, Serbia, Slovenia, Spain, Republic of Macedonia, Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Switzerland, Mozambique, Tunisia, South Africa, Cape Verde, China, North Korea, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Nepal, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Cambodia, Singapore, Vietnam, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Georgia, Turkey, Cuba, Guyana, Uruguay, Mexico, Australia

Are these some backwards countries in there? Sure, along with almost the entire developed world. Now let's go back and compare with those who share abortion laws most similar to ours at present once more:

All countries with abortion laws very similar to Ireland's:
Angola, Central African Republic, Republic of the Congo, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Gabon, São Tomé and Príncipe, South Sudan, Egypt, Libya, Lesotho, Djibouti, Madagascar, Malawi, Mauritius, Somalia, Iraq, Andorra, San Marino, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Lesotho, Guatemala, Honduras, Paraguay, Suriname, Venezuela, Tonga, Tuvalu, Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands, Micronesia, Marshall Islands, Kiribati, Palau.

If you had to enter a lottery to live in one country from either list... which list would you prefer to be on? You don't need to answer that if you don't want to because we both know the answer already.

Again India and China are bad choices due to reasons of female infanticide in these countries. Very bad choices. I will post seperately on the topic.

You are making a terrible argument for abortion by using countries like India and China as examples.

You also fail to understand that most of the civilised countries with abortion such as Japan are struggling with low birth rates which will have disastrous consequences in future decades.

Free abortion rights or not. You've consistantly failed to prove abortion means civilisation. You only have to look at the rates of female infanticide in India and China to see this.

seachto7 · 26-05-2018 06:32PM

Noveight wrote: »

Would've thought so too, evidently not however. An interesting statistic.

36% of people either couldn’t care, were on holidays or living abroad ? A higher turnout would have been encouraging.
A lower turnout for the marriage referendum suggests Ireland isn’t as liberal and progressive as it would like to think. Or else the me me me generation just couldn’t care about others.

Billy86 · 26-05-2018 06:33PM

I only caught it in the background but I THINK I just heard Mattie McGrath say "yes of course" he will respect the vote and work towards enacting it "because I am elected in a democracy".

Ronan Mullen should take note.

Fighting Tao · 26-05-2018 06:34PM

seachto7 wrote: »

Or else the me me me generation just couldn’t care about others.

If you mean the younger generation then you can't say that. Sure don't you know that billions of them came home to vote Yes???

mirrorwall14 · 26-05-2018 06:34PM

Billy86 wrote: »

I only caught it in the background but I THINK I just heard Mattie McGrath say "yes of course" he will respect the vote and work towards enacting it "because I am elected in a democracy".

Ronan Mullen should take note.

Yeah but he also said he'd be pushing for amendments because there should be "respect for all sides". You lost Mattie. Suck it up

ohnonotgmail · 26-05-2018 06:35PM

seachto7 wrote: »

36% of people either couldn’t care, were on holidays or living abroad ? A higher turnout would have been encouraging.
A lower turnout for the marriage referendum suggests isn’t as liberal and progressive as it would like to think. Or else the me me me generation just couldn’t care about others.

Practically the same as the turnout for the last general election. There is always a cohort of people who never vote.

Noveight · 26-05-2018 06:35PM

seachto7 wrote: »

36% of people either couldn’t care, were on holidays or living abroad ? A higher turnout would have been encouraging.
A lower turnout for the marriage referendum suggests Ireland isn’t as liberal and progressive as it would like to think. Or else the me me me generation just couldn’t care about others.

Got me thinking about how we stack up against the UK/rest of Europe/internationally in terms of voter turnout.

BarleySweets · 26-05-2018 06:36PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

No, you’re wrong.

How so?

It wasnt me123 · 26-05-2018 06:36PM

eviltwin wrote: »

I was at the Savita mural in Dublin today. .

I'm going to dublin tomorrow, where abouts is it?

Itssoeasy · 26-05-2018 06:37PM

Mattie McGrath sounding like he will not stop the will of the people and will be engaging constructively in the process.

I hope that's true. The only person I had any real dislike of on the no side was Ronan Mullen. I dislike him a lot.

vg88 · 26-05-2018 06:37PM

seachto7 wrote: »

64% turnout is disappointing no? And a 66% Yes is also disappointing.... at least it passed

Until there is a reform of the way we vote, i.e. postal voting, online voting, proxy voting, able to vote in embassies etc. We will never see anything IMO higher than 65% as one day of voting is impossible to get everyone in.

In today's age I really wish we could do a better voting system than only having your name crossed out with a pencil and using a pencil to put a square in a box beside the place you live.

Water John · 26-05-2018 06:37PM

You mean if Savita was in her home country, she'd be alive today.

Fr_Dougal · 26-05-2018 06:37PM

BarleySweets wrote: »

How so?

Read my earlier posts, and have a look at the replies. All of them.

Beechwoodspark · 26-05-2018 06:38PM

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

I'm going to dublin tomorrow, where abouts is it?

Bernard Shaw in portobello

ohnonotgmail · 26-05-2018 06:38PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Mattie McGrath sounding like he will not stop the will of the people and will be engaging constructively in the process.

I hope that's true. The only person I had any real dislike of on the no side was Ronan Mullen. I dislike him a lot.

I bet you it's not.

eviltwin · 26-05-2018 06:38PM

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

I'm going to dublin tomorrow, where abouts is it?

South Richmond Street beside the Eatyard. Top of Camden St.

26-05-2018 06:38PM

seachto7 wrote: »

36% of people either couldn’t care, were on holidays or living abroad ? A higher turnout would have been encouraging.
A lower turnout for the marriage referendum suggests Ireland isn’t as liberal and progressive as it would like to think. Or else the me me me generation just couldn’t care about others.

Half of them could be dead, sick, moved abroad, double registered etc etc, there will never be a 100% turn out.

I recieved 2 polling cards and a polling card for somebody who hasnt lived at this address in years.

The register is a mess as far as I can tell, and Id say this is a great turnout.

Billy86 · 26-05-2018 06:41PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

You left out India and China from countries with abortion rights. Why?

Can you please stop lying? This isn't the first time on this matter you have on this matter. China is right there in the list.

India does not allow it 'on request' and so is not offering 'full abortion rights' as I mentioned.

So let's make a list of countries that allow in all instances except 'on request': United Kingdom, Japan, India, Zambia, Finland, Iceland, Barbados, St. Vincent and the Grenadines

Now, by intentionally not answering you've already admitted you were wrong and that the list of countries who allow full abortion rights would on average be far better to live in, so let's do the same again here. If you were told tomorrow you had to live in a random country out of one of the following lists, which list would you go for?

List A: United Kingdom, Japan, India, Zambia, Finland, Iceland, Barbados, St. Vincent and the Grenadines

or

List B: Angola, Central African Republic, Republic of the Congo, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Gabon, São Tomé and Príncipe, South Sudan, Egypt, Libya, Lesotho, Djibouti, Madagascar, Malawi, Mauritius, Somalia, Iraq, Andorra, San Marino, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Lesotho, Guatemala, Honduras, Paraguay, Suriname, Venezuela, Tonga, Tuvalu, Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands, Micronesia, Marshall Islands, Kiribati, Palau.

wakka12 · 26-05-2018 06:41PM

Donegal is the only constituent to vote NO of the 39, and it was very close
YES (48.1%)32,559
NO (51.9%)35,091
Overall not bad eh

Billy86 · 26-05-2018 06:41PM

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Yeah but he also said he'd be pushing for amendments because there should be "respect for all sides". You lost Mattie. Suck it up

Ah ok, missed that part.

RhubarbCrumble · 26-05-2018 06:41PM

Women of Ireland we've done ourselves proud, and to all the gentlemen who voted yes, thank you for caring about us.

26-05-2018 06:42PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Mattie McGrath sounding like he will not stop the will of the people and will be engaging constructively in the process.

I hope that's true. The only person I had any real dislike of on the no side was Ronan Mullen. I dislike him a lot.

"The will of the people"

Stop with the brexiteer absolutism.

Ths issue now has to be dealt with like any other legislation in the dail and all TDs are free to support it, oppose it or try to amend it.

Mattie thinks it going to get him votes in his own constituency and that is his chief consideration. The next election will tell.

Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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