Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

Itssoeasy · 26-05-2018 04:58PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Jesus, thats my sleep ruined for the next few nights....the horror!!

Well I said FG leader not Taoiseach. Apologies for ruining your sleep.

RacoonQueen · 26-05-2018 04:58PM

There were never any 'winners' in this. What a woman or a couple must go through to come to the decision to seek an abortion is unimaginable. May this landslide result help the women who still have to travel each week until it all comes together, have easier journeys than those who went before them, knowing they are some of the last.

Deusexmachina · 26-05-2018 05:00PM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

There were never any 'winners' in this. What a woman or a couple must go through to come to the decision to seek an abortion is unimaginable. May this landslide result help the women who still have to travel each week until it all comes together, have easier journeys than those who went before them, knowing they are some of the last.

Well said. I suspect some of the gloaters on here didnt actually bother their arse to vote. But a bandwagon is always a magnet for some.

Shurimgreat · 26-05-2018 05:02PM

Billy86 wrote: »

They were actually responding to my post, here is the full and comprehensive list of all countries with abortion laws most comparable to ours:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law
Angola, Central African Republic, Republic of the Congo, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Gabon, São Tomé and Príncipe, South Sudan, Egypt, Libya, Lesotho, Djibouti, Madagascar, Malawi, Mauritius, Somalia, Iraq, Andorra, San Marino, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Lesotho, Guatemala, Honduras, Paraguay, Suriname, Venezuela, Tonga, Tuvalu, Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands, Micronesia, Marshall Islands, Kiribati, Palau.

You can try and argue that impoverished or backwards countries have more freedom of abortion, but you'll need to include the likes of the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Korea, essentially all of Europe, etc etc in there as well.

This topic is going nowhere. Rich countries have abortion. Poor countries have abortion. Impoverished miserable ****holes have abortion. Some impoverished miserable ****holes have no abortion because they don't have enough doctors and even if they had the poor people cant afford or have access to them.

Irrelevant topic of the year to go with the other irrelevant post from another poster.

martingriff · 26-05-2018 05:03PM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

There were never any 'winners' in this. What a woman or a couple must go through to come to the decision to seek an abortion is unimaginable. May this landslide result help the women who still have to travel each week until it all comes together, have easier journeys than those who went before them, knowing they are some of the last.

I think both the bad losers and gloaters should read this

woejus · 26-05-2018 05:04PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

This topic is going nowhere. Rich countries have abortion. Poor countries have abortion. Impoverished miserable ****holes have abortion. Some impoverished miserable ****holes have no abortion because they don't have enough doctors and even if they had the poor people cant afford or have access to them.

Irrelevant topic of the year to go with the other irrelevant post from another poster.

“This topic is going nowhere”... yet here you still are. You lost. You get nothing. Good day, sir.

January · 26-05-2018 05:04PM

There are definitely winners in this. Yes, the decision to have an abortion is a sad one and it's not one taken lightly but the winners are the women who can now make this decision on their own shores without having to find themselves in debt or shamed by their country.

All the no side are going to have a good laugh with this now but tbh, I really don't give a flying fiddlers.

Yesterday and today have been surreal, the exit poll last night was the first indication that Ireland actually was being pulled out of the dark ages and today has just confirmed it. I was afraid it would be so close, like divorce referendum close so when I saw the initial results last night I was afraid to hope, but when the boxes started being opened this morning it was amazing. Box after box after box coming out more than 50% yes, more than 60% yes... one box in my constituency had 91% in favour of repeal.

Now we just have to make sure they pass this legislation. Still lots of work to do. This is not the end but it's a great start!

Shurimgreat · 26-05-2018 05:04PM

woejus wrote: »

So salty... your tone of bitter disappointment is such a joy to read.

Not salty at all. I was actually laughing at her post. It was funny in a way.
Any more lies?

woejus · 26-05-2018 05:06PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Not salty at all. I was actually laughing at her post.
Any more lies?

Where did I lie? You’ve been thoroughly defeated on this thread, in your arguments, and in the ballot. You are on the wrong side of history and you cannot hide your bitter disappointment.

martingriff · 26-05-2018 05:06PM

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

No I don't but at least they won't have to slink off. They can go to their gps and probably get information and options.

Last week they caught a plane with no back up medical treatment. No if they feel they have to catch a plane, their gp will be able to provide back up medical treatment with no problems.

Thats what I meant. Now they can discuss options with their gps and get treatment and information from them.

Could allways do this since the referendums after the X case

Deusexmachina · 26-05-2018 05:07PM

January wrote: »

There are definitely winners in this. Yes, the decision to have an abortion is a sad one and it's not one taken lightly but the winners are the women who can now make this decision on their own shores without having to find themselves in debt or shamed by their country.

All the no side are going to have a good laugh with this now but tbh, I really don't give a flying fiddlers.

Yesterday and today have been surreal, the exit poll last night was the first indication that Ireland actually was being pulled out of the dark ages and today has just confirmed it. I was afraid it would be so close, like divorce referendum close so when I saw the initial results last night I was afraid to hope, but when the boxes started being opened this morning it was amazing. Box after box after box coming out more than 50% yes, more than 60% yes... one box in my constituency had 91% in favour of repeal.

Now we just have to make sure they pass this legislation. Still lots of work to do. This is not the end but it's a great start!

I suspect the costs here will still make England an option for many!

Billy86 · 26-05-2018 05:08PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

This topic is going nowhere. Rich countries have abortion. Poor countries have abortion. Impoverished miserable ****holes have abortion. Some impoverished miserable ****holes have no abortion because they don't have enough doctors and even if they had the poor people cant afford or have access to them.

No, sorry, you're trying to muddy the waters again. Once more, this is the full and comprehensive list of countries that have abortion laws most in line with our own at present. Not a cherry picked few, this is the full and comprehensive list of all of them. You can cling to microstates Andorra and San Marino if it makes you feel better.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law
Angola, Central African Republic, Republic of the Congo, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Gabon, São Tomé and Príncipe, South Sudan, Egypt, Libya, Lesotho, Djibouti, Madagascar, Malawi, Mauritius, Somalia, Iraq, Andorra, San Marino, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Lesotho, Guatemala, Honduras, Paraguay, Suriname, Venezuela, Tonga, Tuvalu, Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands, Micronesia, Marshall Islands, Kiribati, Palau.

Irrelevant topic of the year to go with the other irrelevant post from another poster.

It's not irrelevant, as it came about from this discussion and was in direct response to a 'No' poster claiming abortion is not 'civilised'. If it were irrelevant, you would not have jumped into the conversation as you did. The fact is the argument just doesn't work in your favour here.

Shurimgreat · 26-05-2018 05:08PM

woejus wrote: »

“This topic is going nowhere”... yet here you still are. You lost. You get nothing. Good day, sir.

The topic re abortion in poor countries versus rich was going nowhere not the thread in general.
Any more lies?

Jim Bob Scratcher · 26-05-2018 05:09PM

Looking like Donegal voted no

martingriff · 26-05-2018 05:09PM

Mr.S wrote: »

They can give all the information and options to a women they want until the cows come home, but to get an abortion, women will still need to travel abroad or order 'illegal' pills off the internet, so things will continue the same until legalisation has passed and the logistics are setup, which is ~12 months away.

At least the women who have to travel, know that change is coming for the people following them.

Doctors will be more sympathetic, sure, but nothing else changes, for now.

I say January at the most

January · 26-05-2018 05:11PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

I suspect the costs here will still make England an option for many!

Doubt it. GP led service, medical card and drugs payment scheme will be used.

Taytoland · 26-05-2018 05:11PM

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Looking like Donegal voted no

Closest county culturally linked to NI votes no, what a surprise. :ninja:

woejus · 26-05-2018 05:12PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

The topic re abortion in poor countries versus rich was going nowhere not the thread in general.
Any more lies?

It's quite telling that you don't know a lie when you see it, or in this case, don't see it.

erica74 · 26-05-2018 05:13PM

January wrote: »

There are definitely winners in this. Yes, the decision to have an abortion is a sad one and it's not one taken lightly but the winners are the women who can now make this decision on their own shores without having to find themselves in debt or shamed by their country.

All the no side are going to have a good laugh with this now but tbh, I really don't give a flying fiddlers.

Yesterday and today have been surreal, the exit poll last night was the first indication that Ireland actually was being pulled out of the dark ages and today has just confirmed it. I was afraid it would be so close, like divorce referendum close so when I saw the initial results last night I was afraid to hope, but when the boxes started being opened this morning it was amazing. Box after box after box coming out more than 50% yes, more than 60% yes... one box in my constituency had 91% in favour of repeal.

Now we just have to make sure they pass this legislation. Still lots of work to do. This is not the end but it's a great start!

I completely agree.

iguana · 26-05-2018 05:14PM

January wrote: »

Doubt it. GP led service, medical card and drugs payment scheme will be used.

And treatment for FFAs or threats to the woman's health and life will almost certainly be provided as part of free maternity service.

And WTF is taking so long in the last 3 constituencies!!!!!!!!

Billy86 · 26-05-2018 05:14PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Thats one way of describing them. The other is as vote chasing populists who will tell the Yes voter in Caherciveen they now support the Yes side and the No voter in Kilorglin they were No all along.

They can tell those two people what they want, it's their actions that will matter now that the referendum is dead, buried, and was decisively lost by the no side. Including in their own constituencies.

Sheeps · 26-05-2018 05:14PM

How many women die every year from pregnancy complications in Ireland?

Deusexmachina · 26-05-2018 05:16PM

January wrote: »

Doubt it. GP led service, medical card and drugs payment scheme will be used.

Maybe. Its primarily elective surgery though. And even if it is valid, most people dont have a medical card.

Billy86 · 26-05-2018 05:17PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Venezuela has abortion freely available. Remind us what state they are in?

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I think I'd rather live in San Marino than Venezuela. I'm sure you'd feel the same way

Also to point out, this is a lie. Venezuela was in the list you have been provided on multiple occasions as having comparable abortion laws to ours and is on the list I have posted!

Illegal abortion is killing horrifying numbers of women in Venezuela

In Venezuela, where ideology is still largely controlled by the Catholic Church, it is illegal to terminate a pregnancy unless the mother’s life is at risk or in the case of foetal impairment. It means that abortion is that second highest killer of women aged 12 to 49 in the country, according to online publication Latin America Bureau, and the cause of 16 per cent of all maternal deaths.

Fighting Tao · 26-05-2018 05:17PM

I'm sure this discussion is going on in a number of places right now :pac:

Trasna1 · 26-05-2018 05:18PM

The referendum is over, can we stop the campaigning please.

martingriff · 26-05-2018 05:19PM

Well this is going to be my last post in anything to do with this referendum as I totally sick of it. It has only got worse then the results are in. For those who are bitter ye lost all I can say is though s$%t it is over we will have it when the law passes. You can still carry on with your lifes as normal. As for the gloaters ye are just as worse congrats ye won should look @ RacoonQueens last post. People (the majority) who will be going for abortion as they have no other choice and will have suffered a terrible ordeal so how about you think of them and tone down the f$*^ing rhetoric and bile from your posts

tigger123 · 26-05-2018 05:20PM

Fianna Fail TD on Rte1 just a moment ago who said the Love Both is staffed by old veterans of the game who've been around for 40 odd years. They tried to pick off TDs one by one to turn them to support the No side.

She said the pressure was immense to back a No vote.

January · 26-05-2018 05:21PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Maybe. Its primarily elective surgery though. And even if it is valid, most people dont have a medical card.

It's not surgery... it's a doctor writing a prescription and even if most people don't have a medical card then it will cost them 50 euro GP visit and at most 144 euro for the prescription on the Drugs Payment Scheme, much less than what it would cost them to go to the UK.

After 12 weeks, you're talking about for health of the mother of for FFA, which will be done in a hospital and should be covered under the maternity scheme which is free in Ireland.

Pherekydes · 26-05-2018 05:21PM

Sheeps wrote: »

How many women die every year from pregnancy complications in Ireland?

How many are acceptable to you?

Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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