Morgan Freeman stared at woman's breasts.

Olsky · 25-05-2018 04:46PM

Conservatory wrote: »

It seems to me that it was a jokey thing where he never had any intention of actually lifting it.

To think he was comfortable with somebody he probably thought was his friend to joke with them is a heinous crime a few years later.
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True. The allegation is that he tried to lift the skirt. Questionable whether he had any intention if actually lifting the skirt. As a fit action hero I think that he probably could have succeeded in lifting the skirt if that had actually been his intention.

kylith · 25-05-2018 05:41PM

EarlSlick wrote: »

I wonder how many of the extreme feminists laughed at the scene in Anchorman when Ron Burgundy says "I want to be on you"

That scene would have to be cut if it was made now

Ah yeah. Sure, there's absolutely zero difference between a deliberately uncouth character in a film and actually saying something weird and a bit creepy to someone you don't know in a professional setting. :rolleyes:

Fann Linn · 25-05-2018 05:51PM

anewme wrote: »

Trying to lift up someones skirt and asking if they are wearing knickers is not flirting.

:eek:

You've obviously never 'flirted' in Newcastle upon Tyne.

ceadaoin. · 25-05-2018 05:51PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Well that's a long way from staring a bit too long. I will get my coat. Lol

No, no, it's grand to act like that now. Men can't help it apparently. He didn't actually succeed in lifting the woman's skirt, so whats the problem? She's just over reacting to being harangued in her workplace. Its only jealous man hating feminists who have a problem with it.

Fann Linn · 25-05-2018 05:52PM

anewme wrote: »

Trying to lift up someones skirt and asking if they are wearing knickers is not flirting.

:eek:

You've obviously never 'flirted' in Newcastle upon Tyne so.

Mrsmum · 25-05-2018 06:08PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

No, no, it's grand to act like that now. Men can't help it apparently. He didn't actually succeed in lifting the woman's skirt, so whats the problem? She's just over reacting to being harangued in her workplace. Its only jealous man hating feminists who have a problem with it.

Always liked him a lot as an actor. Disappointed to find out as a human being he is basically a dirty old man.

kylith · 25-05-2018 06:08PM

nullzero wrote: »

Bodily autonomy is only for women, men don't count.
As a younger man I was groped by older women in the workplace in two seperate places of employment and was told I should enjoy it when I brought it up, it's only a bit of fun. People can recognize that something like that is wrong but in practice there are two different sets of rules for men and women.

Out of curiosity who was it that told you you should enjoy it?

Overheal · 25-05-2018 07:30PM

“Boy do I wish I was there” - direct reply to Michael Cane seated immediately to the left of him, talking about how he has “learned his lesson” about not commenting about pregnancy because of the last time he did it allegedly 50 years ago when it turned out the woman wasn’t pregnant at all. Morgan appears to have referred to wishing to have been a fly on the wall for that exchange.

Overheal · 25-05-2018 07:31PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Always liked him a lot as an actor. Disappointed to find out as a human being he is basically a dirty old man.

I think we’re jumping the gun here.

Sofiztikated · 25-05-2018 07:40PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

The way I look at it, if they're in a low cut top, cleavage fully visible, then they're effectively on display.

Granted there's a difference in a quick glance and leering at them, so much so that you'd make the lady feel uncomfortable.

I try to live by the look but don't touch rule myself though.

I try the "Don't touch myself" rule. It usually works.

Sofiztikated · 25-05-2018 07:48PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Always liked him a lot as an actor. Disappointed to find out as a human being he is basically a dirty old man.

I can nearly guarantee you everyone has done something stupid that someone else feels was an unwanted sexual advance.

Especially anyone with any bit of sway, 20 years ago.

Mrsmum · 25-05-2018 07:56PM

Overheal wrote: »

I think we’re jumping the gun here.

16 women say otherwise, 8 were personally involved and 8 said they saw inappropriate behaviour and also he apologised. Would you apologise if you had done nothing wrong ? I think you would say something along the lines of I absolute reject these allegations in the strongest manner. At the end of the day what in God's name is a man in his 80s doing asking a young woman about her underwear ???

suicide_circus · 25-05-2018 08:05PM

I had to risk very inappropriate behaviour in the early days of courtship with the woman who became my wife. And there were others before her who were subject to my lecherous advances, some successful, most not. Luckily I'm not rich or famous so I got away with it.

Overheal · 25-05-2018 08:06PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

16 women say otherwise, 8 were personally involved and 8 said they saw inappropriate behaviour and also he apologised. Would you apologise if you had done nothing wrong ? I think you would say something along the lines of I absolute reject these allegations in the strongest manner. At the end of the day what in God's name is a man in his 80s doing asking a young woman about her underwear ???

not defending it all, haven’t looked into it - but stating in this one exhibit they are going too far to call this sexual harassment.

Sofiztikated · 25-05-2018 08:14PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

16 women say otherwise, 8 were personally involved and 8 said they saw inappropriate behaviour and also he apologised. Would you apologise if you had done nothing wrong ? I think you would say something along the lines of I absolute reject these allegations in the strongest manner. At the end of the day what in God's name is a man in his 80s doing asking a young woman about her underwear ???

SEPT 23 1989 · 25-05-2018 08:26PM

Freemans favourite past time is to sit on an old couch drinking bourbon on the street outside a blues bar which is very far away from Hollywood

He is all right by me

anewme · 25-05-2018 08:49PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I can nearly guarantee you everyone has done something stupid that someone else feels was an unwanted sexual advance.

Especially anyone with any bit of sway, 20 years ago.

But it wasn't 20 years ago.

The skirt lifting incident was 2015.

anewme · 25-05-2018 08:51PM

Overheal wrote: »

not defending it all, haven’t looked into it - but stating in this one exhibit they are going too far to call this sexual harassment.

If someone tried to lift someone's skirt in work numerous times, touched them inappropriately and made unwanted sexual comments, what else would you call it?

eyerer · 25-05-2018 08:53PM

Lock him up and stop releasing his films

lardzeppelin · 25-05-2018 09:01PM

The time is nigh when we will as a society depend on a crack legal team, just to ask a person of the opposite sex to "pass the sugar"...I'm staying in an underground bunker until this opposite sex blows over...

Mrsmum · 25-05-2018 09:24PM

lardzeppelin wrote: »

The time is nigh when we will as a society depend on a crack legal team, just to ask a person of the opposite sex to "pass the sugar"...I'm staying in an underground bunker until this opposite sex blows over...

The vast majority of people manage no bother negotiating the various interpersonal relationships in life. Not just the highly intelligent ones but the ordinary, average man or woman who know perfectly well where the line is beyond which you are being a nuisance/causing offence/upsetting someone else. For most people it's not an issue at all. They are neither doing the behaviour nor on the receiving end of it.

DrWu · 26-05-2018 12:01AM

So how do we chat up women now? Do we get them to sign a consent form first, or maybe a waiver of some sort? What bits are we allowed to look at and for how long? And does this change when we are officially dating? Do we have to re-contract from that point on, allowing for boob-staring and other pervy activities? It's all getting very complicated lads...AND LASSIES!!! JESUS!!!

shootermacg · 26-05-2018 01:59AM

DrWu wrote: »

So how do we chat up women now? Do we get them to sign a consent form first, or maybe a waiver of some sort? What bits are we allowed to look at and for how long? And does this change when we are officially dating? Do we have to re-contract from that point on, allowing for boob-staring and other pervy activities? It's all getting very complicated lads...AND LASSIES!!! JESUS!!!

Well the great thing is, you no longer need to show any interest in women at all. They will practically rape you if you are unaffected by their asinine chat-up lines ( which tbh, they are absolutely ****e at ). All this extreme feminist crap is self defeating. All us as men have to do is exactly nothing and they'll just lower their standards (Is this not a known fact?).

I go out to work to support my wife (who doesn't work or make dinners) and put my 4 kids through private school, she'll be the first to admit, she's a lucky girl.

ceadaoin. · 26-05-2018 03:47AM

DrWu wrote: »

So how do we chat up women now? Do we get them to sign a consent form first, or maybe a waiver of some sort? What bits are we allowed to look at and for how long? And does this change when we are officially dating? Do we have to re-contract from that point on, allowing for boob-staring and other pervy activities? It's all getting very complicated lads...AND LASSIES!!! JESUS!!!

For a start, maybe don't ask women if they're wearing underwear, try to lift up their skirt and stare at their breasts for prolonged periods, especially if this takes place at work. Is that how you were chatting women up before?

DrWu · 26-05-2018 07:33AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

For a start, maybe don't ask women if they're wearing underwear, try to lift up their skirt and stare at their breasts for prolonged periods, especially if this takes place at work. Is that how you were chatting women up before?

On a serious note though, are we really saying women are that weak that they cant deal with some pervy old fart at work (which is the extent of Freeman's shenanigans)? Germaine Greer said (during the week) that women used to make fun of these guys and tell them to get lost, now they're crying on the TV and going to therapists. She's got a point.

valoren · 26-05-2018 07:56AM

From awkward teenagers to mega famous movie stars, we can always do and say stupid things when in the presence of someone we find attractive. Seems to me that Freeman was just trying to flirt or chancing his arm, literally, and being really **** and awkward about it. Just because he plays suave, smooth charismatic characters doesn't mean that necessarily translates to his actual personal which includes a predilection for staring at fantastic boobs and being a deeply uncool flirt bag.

anewme · 26-05-2018 08:38AM

In wake of the media coverage, Morgan Freeman has used a second statement now.

“I am devastated that 80 years of my life is at risk of being undermined, in the blink of an eye, by Thursday’s media reports,” the statement reads. “All victims of assault and harassment deserve to be heard. And we need to listen to them. But it is not right to equate horrific incidents of sexual assault with misplaced compliments or humor. I admit that I am someone who feels a need to try to make women—and men—feel appreciated and at ease around me. As a part of that, I would often try to joke with and compliment women, in what I thought was a light-hearted and humorous way. Clearly I was not always coming across the way I intended. And that is why I apologized Thursday and will continue to apologize to anyone I might have upset, however unintentionally. But I also want to be clear: I did not create unsafe work environments. I did not assault women. I did not offer employment or advancement in exchange for sex. Any suggestion that I did so is completely false.”

Optimalprimerib · 26-05-2018 08:53AM

anewme wrote: »

In wake of the media coverage, Morgan Freeman has used a second statement now.

“I am devastated that 80 years of my life is at risk of being undermined, in the blink of an eye, by Thursday’s media reports,” the statement reads. “All victims of assault and harassment deserve to be heard. And we need to listen to them. But it is not right to equate horrific incidents of sexual assault with misplaced compliments or humor. I admit that I am someone who feels a need to try to make women—and men—feel appreciated and at ease around me. As a part of that, I would often try to joke with and compliment women, in what I thought was a light-hearted and humorous way. Clearly I was not always coming across the way I intended. And that is why I apologized Thursday and will continue to apologize to anyone I might have upset, however unintentionally. But I also want to be clear: I did not create unsafe work environments. I did not assault women. I did not offer employment or advancement in exchange for sex. Any suggestion that I did so is completely false.”

I'm on his side on this one, what he said or did may have been inappropriate but that's all. He doesn't deserve a witch Hunt.

Optimalprimerib · 26-05-2018 08:53AM

anewme wrote: »

In wake of the media coverage, Morgan Freeman has used a second statement now.

“I am devastated that 80 years of my life is at risk of being undermined, in the blink of an eye, by Thursday’s media reports,” the statement reads. “All victims of assault and harassment deserve to be heard. And we need to listen to them. But it is not right to equate horrific incidents of sexual assault with misplaced compliments or humor. I admit that I am someone who feels a need to try to make women—and men—feel appreciated and at ease around me. As a part of that, I would often try to joke with and compliment women, in what I thought was a light-hearted and humorous way. Clearly I was not always coming across the way I intended. And that is why I apologized Thursday and will continue to apologize to anyone I might have upset, however unintentionally. But I also want to be clear: I did not create unsafe work environments. I did not assault women. I did not offer employment or advancement in exchange for sex. Any suggestion that I did so is completely false.”

I'm on his side on this one, what he said or did may have been inappropriate but that's all. He doesn't deserve a witch Hunt.

_Brian · 26-05-2018 09:01AM

anewme wrote: »

You must be talking about one of the other allegations.

The one I am taking about is from 2015, not twenty years ago. This lady claims he tried more than once to lift her skirt and touched her inappropriately..

(CNN)A young production assistant thought she had landed the job of her dreams when, in the summer of 2015, she started work on "Going In Style," a bank heist comedy starring Morgan Freeman, Michael Caine and Alan Arkin.

But the job quickly devolved into several months of harassment, she told CNN. She alleges that Freeman subjected her to unwanted touching and comments about her figure and clothing on a near-daily basis. Freeman would rest his hand on her lower back or rub her lower back, she said.
In one incident, she said, Freeman "kept trying to lift up my skirt and asking if I was wearing underwear." He never successfully lifted her skirt, she said -- he would touch it and try to lift it, she would move away, and then he'd try again. Eventually, she said, "Alan [Arkin] made a comment telling him to stop. Morgan got freaked out and didn't know what to say."

It will be interesting to see what Alan Arkin has to report on this. If he confirms it then it’s a very serious allegation and totally inappropriate behaviour and an abuse of his position.

Morgan Freeman stared at woman's breasts.

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