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Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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  • #602
    SkepticQuark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭SkepticQuark


    revelman wrote: »
    With respect, you are making the mistake that a lot of people on the Yes side are making. You are associating those extremist activists on the No side who we see on our TV screens with every No voter out there. If the proposed legislation was about hard cases only, this referendum would be a landslide for repealing the 8th. It is a small section of Irish society who holds the same views of the Iona Institute. I think we should all keep this in mind.

    Those voters still had ample of opportunity to voice their opinion, I didn't see them take it. If those people existed they should have been out last year or even the year before that making themselves heard over the others. Not to mention even with a vote to repeal the legislation still has to make it past the Oireachtas, if the majority of voters don't support the 12 weeks rule then call your TD....


  • #603
    Anastasia_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Anastasia_


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    10 year old rape victims are few and far between in this country. So why penalize potentially every unborn child in this country, that's approximately 65,000 annually, just so we can deal with a small handful of victims. This makes zero sense to me. Its the moral equivalent of internment without trial, penalizing everyone including those who did nothing wrong.

    What do you mean penalise every unborn child? The majority of the women in this country can go online and have abortion pills delivered to them. There is no 'protection of the unborn' in this country.

    I could not do that when I was 10. They are the ones that need this and they are the ones I'm voting for.


  • #604
    ectoraige
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭ectoraige


    Yes.


  • #605
    Sleepy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,539 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    We have to watch the feckin' Late Late Show to get the exit poll? FFS?!


  • #606
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,261 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    juanjo wrote: »
    ted1 wrote: »
    The proposed legislation is irrelevant as it can be changed by any new liberal government that comes along

    Sorry you mean that it can be changed by any conservative government that comes along as well? or only by the liberals? Whats your fear then?

    BTW is it me or a very sizeable portion of the NOers here seem to be men?

    Just curious about the results' demographics, it might paint an interesting picture...

    I never said that I’m a No’er or a yes’er


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  • #607
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    The point I'm making is that LoveBoth are currently implying a future, more restrictive proposal limited to just FFA and Rape would be welcomed with open arms, there would be no disagreements and we'd all be happy with the middle ground.
    They won't support it. They have already admitted as much.


  • #608
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    Noo wrote: »
    Wait wait wait! Is your honest opinion that if yes wins that every single pregnant women in ireland will be lining up for an abortion??

    Did I say that?
    My point is survival of healthy unborn babies becomes a lottery depending on who your parents are.

    I know you have no trouble removing the right to life of unborn babies, we get that.

    I on the otherhand am troubled by it EXCEPT in limited cases.


  • #609
    Mint Sauce
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    And there's going to be lots of women voting No on the issue as well. Can we take a fecking break from the gender wars on this forum…

    Demograpics mean nothing in this. I know younger than me voting both yes and no, the same age voting yes and no, and older voting yes and no.


  • #610
    juanjo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 249 ✭✭juanjo


    ted1 wrote: »
    I never said that I’m a No’er or a yes’er

    You mentioned only liberals in your comment, I started making assumptions and...


  • #611
    Movementarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭Movementarian


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    10 year old rape victims are few and far between in this country. So why penalize potentially every unborn child in this country, that's approximately 65,000 annually, just so we can deal with a small handful of victims. This makes zero sense to me. Its the moral equivalent of internment without trial, penalizing everyone including those who did nothing wrong.

    10 year old rape victims are few and far between.....do you even hear yourself. Oh its only a few? Ah grand so.

    This constant **** of 'all these babies will be aborted' where are you getting 65,000 from?! Where do you even begin to have the view that just because something becomes legal that every ****ing woman who gets pregnant will say, ah cant be bothered with this I'll go through a traumatic event instead?! It just doesnt and wont happen. If that was anywhere near our culture it would already be happening because they would and can do it illegally right now!

    Women are nurturers by nature. The greatest protection a child will and ever can have is its natural mother not some ****ing line or paragraph in a constitution. Its absolutely tragic that your opinion of women and people is so low that you automatically assume abortion will be the first and not the last option.


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  • #612
    revelman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭revelman


    Genuine question. I know if would be impossible to do a scientific study on this but it would be really interesting to compare the referendum result tomorrow with the referendum result if there had been no campaigning. Would it be the same or wildly different? I'm sure some people were helped to reach a decision through campaigns calling to their door, reading social media etc. But in my experience a lot of the stuff on social media (e.g. look even at this thread) has been unduly antagonising. People are just antagonised and worked up. I wonder if people had just been sent the facts by the Referendum Commission and left it at that, would things have been different. Like what kind of difference does seeing a Yes and No poster on each lamppost actually make?


  • #613
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    The point I'm making is that LoveBoth are currently implying a future, more restrictive proposal limited to just FFA and Rape would be welcomed with open arms, there would be no disagreements and we'd all be happy with the middle ground.
    They won't support it. They have already admitted as much.

    They are in the minority.
    All it requires if a few more percent from the No side to change sides if the 12 week unrestricted abortion proposal is removed. Not too difficult.


  • #614
    MightyMandarin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭MightyMandarin


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    You can be equally guaranteed that if No wins, and we have a repeat referendum just for FFA and Rape, the No side will campaign against that too.

    That wouldn't matter to me, I'd vote yes in that without a doubt, despite voting no today.


  • #615
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,539 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    revelman wrote: »
    With respect, you are making the mistake that a lot of people on the Yes side are making. You are associating those extremist activists on the No side who we see on our TV screens with every No voter out there. If the proposed legislation was about hard cases only, this referendum would be a landslide for repealing the 8th. It is a small section of Irish society who holds the same views of the Iona Institute. I think we should all keep this in mind.

    Agreed. However, the issue is that those prominent No-siders like Iona et al will use a No vote in this referendum to argue that the majority of the country don't agree with abortion under any circumstances, and so will block an FFA referendum, using politicians like Mattie McGrath to do so. Some other politicians will also see an election on the horizon and will go more pro-life in order to woo the No voters.

    I completely agree that it's the extremists on the No side who give all who are voting No a bad name, as many No voters disagree with them on a lot of things. However, unfortunately it those extremists who are driving the ship and they'll use a No vote to justify their actions.


  • #616
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Mod-Seeing as people can't follow a simple instruction. From now on just a yes or no answer. Anything else will be deleted or the user banned depending on which mod gets to it first.

    Actually know what. One post per person. If you've posted already no need to post again.


  • #617
    jacksie66
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,988 ✭✭✭jacksie66


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  • #618
    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    Putinbot wrote: »
    Mod-Seeing as people can't follow a simple instruction. From now on just a yes or no answer. Anything else will be deleted or the user banned depending on which mod gets to it first.

    Friendly suggestion. You could put in place a one poster one post policy for the thread. A bit like voting itself. Nobody is allowed post more than once here.

    You thought of it before me. :)


  • #619
    jaja321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭jaja321


    Big fat yes from me.


  • #620
    ayux4rj6zql2ph
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭ayux4rj6zql2ph


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  • #621
    shocksy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭shocksy


    Yes


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  • #622
    Flex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭Flex


    Yes.


  • #623
    Kerplunk124
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭Kerplunk124


    Yes


  • #624
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Yes only.


  • #625
    Royal Irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Royal Irish


    Yes


  • #626
    fxotoole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭fxotoole


    Voted Yes in the name of all the women of Ireland


  • #627
    SeaFields
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    Normally for a referendum vote I'd probably know how I'd vote for something long, long before polling day.

    I struggled with this up to this morning. But I voted no. In a weird way and in my own head, it was a no vote just to acknowledge the potential life that wouldn't result owing to the referendum passing (a thing personal to me from something in my past). I fully expect it to pass but that was my idiosyncratic approach to it all.


  • #628
    whatdoicare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭whatdoicare


    Tá!


  • #629
    SirChenjin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,111 ✭✭✭SirChenjin


    Yes.


  • #630
    picturehangup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭picturehangup


    No


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  • #631
    Tipperary animal lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭Tipperary animal lover


    just brought the parents to vote both in their late 80s ...didnt ask which way they were going to vote beforehand, when they came out mam says we did the right thing( in my own mind I said oh well) turning to my dad, didn't me john ... a yes from them both I'm in shock here


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