Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

ted1

Sardonicat wrote: »

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

I voted no because I am not happy with the terms of the referendum.

There are no terms. It's either yes or no to repealing. You are not being asked to vote on the proposed legislation.

Many people wanted the 8th changed to just allow for FFA or rape so yes there are terms. Which are all or nothing

conorhal

I voted no.

to the undecided, if you're troubled by the proposed legislation or leaving it in the hands of this government, vote no.
If you vote no, you can be damn well sure that you will be asked to vote again, if you vote yes you can be equally as sure that you never will.
Yes appear to be heavily trading on people's compassion for 2% of those that avail of abortion in tragic circumstances to outweigh a holocaust that is the reality of abortion. Demand a FFA referendum by all means, but don't be manipulated into voting for something you're not comfortable with.

ted1

juanjo wrote: »

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

The proposed legislation goes even further than many western European countries allow. That is my issue with it and I feel I am entitled to my opinion.

That is simply not true, the proposed legislation has been drafted by using european legislation as guide.

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/abortion-legislation/europe.php

The proposed legislation is irrelevant as it can be changed by any new liberal government that comes along

repeal the hate

Mod edit: Banned. Permanently.

SusieBlue

conorhal wrote: »

I voted no.

to the undecided, if you're troubled by the proposed legislation or leaving it in the hands of this government, vote no.
If you vote no, you can be damn well sure that you will be asked to vote again, if you vote yes you can be equally as sure that you never will.
Yes appear to be heavily trading on people's compassion for 2% of those that avail of abortion in tragic circumstances to outweigh a holocaust that is the reality of abortion. Demand a FFA referendum by all means, but don't be manipulated into voting for something you're not comfortable with.

You can be equally guaranteed that if No wins, and we have a repeat referendum just for FFA and Rape, the No side will campaign against that too.
They admitted as much when they said they'd force a 12 year old raped child to remain pregnant.
They do not agree with abortion whatsoever in any circumstances.
They will never support any type of abortion happening here.
Their mantra of "vote no and ask for a better option" is a pack of lies, because they will campaign against that too.

I'm bowing out of this thread now, sorry for taking it off topic. I just thought it was really important to clarify that.

o1s1n

repeal the hate wrote: »

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And the winner of most over the top, hysterical post goes to...

forumlover

conorhal wrote: »

I voted no.

to the undecided, if you're troubled by the proposed legislation or leaving it in the hands of this government, vote no.
If you vote no, you can be damn well sure that you will be asked to vote again, if you vote yes you can be equally as sure that you never will.
Yes appear to be heavily trading on people's compassion for 2% of those that avail of abortion in tragic circumstances to outweigh a holocaust that is the reality of abortion. Demand a FFA referendum by all means, but don't be manipulated into voting for something you're not comfortable with.

We may be asked to vote again, but how many of us will be here in another 35 years

Shurimgreat

Anastasia_ wrote: »

No. I voted yes because I think it is a sad state of affairs that I have to consider myself 'lucky' that I didn't fall pregnant at 10 years of age. I cannot explain the fear I felt, and so I cannot even comprehend the fear I would've felt if I had found out I was pregnant.

I voted yes for Ms Y, and Ms X, and Ms P. I voted yes for 10 year old me. I voted yes for every woman on this island.

I will not stand by and watch the church and iona pledge to provide support. They do not care. They never have and they never, ever will.

10 year old rape victims are few and far between in this country. So why penalize potentially every unborn child in this country, that's approximately 65,000 annually, just so we can deal with a small handful of victims. This makes zero sense to me. Its the moral equivalent of internment without trial, penalizing everyone including those who did nothing wrong.

repeal the hate

o1s1n wrote: »

And the winner of most over the top, hysterical post goes to...

Extreme events call for extreme opinions.

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Summer wind

My vote is no.

Kikif

Yes!

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juanjo

ted1 wrote: »

The proposed legislation is irrelevant as it can be changed by any new liberal government that comes along

Sorry you mean that it can be changed by any conservative government that comes along as well? or only by the liberals? Whats your fear then?

BTW is it me or a very sizeable portion of the NOers here seem to be men?

Just curious about the results' demographics, it might paint an interesting picture...

revelman

I guess the moderators have an impossible task. But can we keep the discussion to the actual vote itself (predictions etc). This is no place for campaigning. I've never understood though how certain No voters think they can persuade undecided people by using hyperbolic and often inappropriate language. This just alienates people!

o1s1n

repeal the hate wrote: »

Extreme events call for extreme opinions.

Were you that guy wearing the 'Yes voters should have been aborted' sandwich board by any chance?

Shurimgreat

SusieBlue wrote: »

You can be equally guaranteed that if No wins, and we have a repeat referendum just for FFA and Rape, the No side will campaign against that too.
They admitted as much when they said they'd force a 12 year old raped child to remain pregnant.
They do not agree with abortion whatsoever in any circumstances.
They will never support any type of abortion happening here.
Their mantra of "vote no and ask for a better option" is a pack of lies, because they will campaign against that too.

I'm bowing out of this thread now, sorry for taking it off topic. I just thought it was really important to clarify that.

I will be campaigning for a Yes if such a referendum comes about. As will many others on the No side. Stop assuming everyone on the No side is linked to the Catholic Church or Iona Institute. Stop misrepresenting the majority of No voters.

baldbear

conorhal wrote: »

I voted no.

to the undecided, if you're troubled by the proposed legislation or leaving it in the hands of this government, vote no.
If you vote no, you can be damn well sure that you will be asked to vote again, if you vote yes you can be equally as sure that you never will.
Yes appear to be heavily trading on people's compassion for 2% of those that avail of abortion in tragic circumstances to outweigh a holocaust that is the reality of abortion. Demand a FFA referendum by all means, but don't be manipulated into voting for something you're not comfortable with.

Leaving it in the hands of the government? Is that not how democracy works?
If you are troubled by the proposed legislation then tell that to your local politician probably a FF one as they are the party who have the biggest problem with repealing the 8th.

Some No voters don't like the idea of democracy.

Silane

I voted no, I knew it was probably a waste of time, and had to drive 2 hours to do it, but couldn't not vote on this one.

iguana

facehugger99 wrote: »

Just back - pretty quiet about 6 or 7 people, all oldies. I'd guess 'No' voters.

Could be to do with the time of day.

You'd be surprised. A few times when canvassing I went to houses of an elderly woman who looked at us very suspiciously and made us nervous of a bad reaction. Until we said we were Yes campaigners and they absolutely lit up and told us they couldn't bloody wait to go vote Yes. A lot of older women suffered a raw deal in this country and are only too delighted to ensure younger women won't suffer the same.

SkepticQuark

SusieBlue wrote: »

You can be equally guaranteed that if No wins, and we have a repeat referendum just for FFA and Rape, the No side will campaign against that too.
They admitted as much when they said they'd force a 12 year old raped child to remain pregnant.
They do not agree with abortion whatsoever in any circumstances.
They will never support any type of abortion happening here.
Their mantra of "vote no and ask for a better option" is a pack of lies, because they will campaign against that too.

I'm bowing out of this thread now, sorry for taking it off topic. I just thought it was really important to clarify that.

This. I think it's ludicrous the recent tactic from the no voters is to somehow claim "if only they proposed the alternatives" given at every step their ilk has been against any unwinding of the 8th to account for the worst-case scenarios. The "alternative" they claim they would consider is a fantasy, a carrot on a stick for the undecideds. There have been 35 years for these magical supporters of an "alternative" to come out of the woodwork, where were they even a year ago when we were discussing this as a referendum?

SusieBlue

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I will be campaigning for a Yes if such a referendum comes about. As will many others on the No side. Stop assuming everyone on the No side is linked to the Catholic Church or Iona Institute. Stop misrepresenting the majority of No voters.

I'm talking about those at the forefront of LoveBoth - Peadar Toibín, Ronan Mullen, Maria Stein, etc. They all opposed POLDPA.
They will run a similar No campaign to any future abortion referendum. They don't agree with it in any circumstances.

Noo

Shurimgreat wrote: »

10 year old rape victims are few and far between in this country. So why penalize potentially every unborn child in this country, that's approximately 65,000 annually, just so we can deal with a small handful of victims. This makes zero sense to me. Its the moral equivalent of internment without trial, penalizing everyone including those who did nothing wrong.

Wait wait wait! Is your honest opinion that if yes wins that every single pregnant women in ireland will be lining up for an abortion??

wexie

iguana wrote: »

You'd be surprised. A few times when canvassing I went to houses of an elderly woman who looked at us very suspiciously and made us nervous of a bad reaction. Until we said we were Yes campaigners and they absolutely lit up and told us they couldn't bloody wait to go vote Yes. A lot of older women suffered a raw deal in this country and are only too delighted to ensure younger women won't suffer the same.

Seeing a few old ladies going :

Ya know what? Fuckit!!

Always makes me smile. More than a few of them are well due a bit of rebelling

kunst nugget

conorhal wrote: »

I voted no.

to the undecided, if you're troubled by the proposed legislation or leaving it in the hands of this government, vote no.
If you vote no, you can be damn well sure that you will be asked to vote again, if you vote yes you can be equally as sure that you never will.
Yes appear to be heavily trading on people's compassion for 2% of those that avail of abortion in tragic circumstances to outweigh a holocaust that is the reality of abortion. Demand a FFA referendum by all means, but don't be manipulated into voting for something you're not comfortable with.

The 8th amendment vote was 35 years ago - they are not going to run another referendum on the issue in the foreseeable future because the topic is so divisive.

revelman

SusieBlue wrote: »

You can be equally guaranteed that if No wins, and we have a repeat referendum just for FFA and Rape, the No side will campaign against that too.
They admitted as much when they said they'd force a 12 year old raped child to remain pregnant.
They do not agree with abortion whatsoever in any circumstances.
They will never support any type of abortion happening here.
Their mantra of "vote no and ask for a better option" is a pack of lies, because they will campaign against that too.

I'm bowing out of this thread now, sorry for taking it off topic. I just thought it was really important to clarify that.

With respect, you are making the mistake that a lot of people on the Yes side are making. You are associating those extremist activists on the No side who we see on our TV screens with every No voter out there. If the proposed legislation was about hard cases only, this referendum would be a landslide for repealing the 8th. It is a small section of Irish society who holds the same views of the Iona Institute. I think we should all keep this in mind.

Irish Guitarist

I just voted no

dav3

Yes.

It's good to see so many people weren't swayed by fearmongering and lies.

kunst nugget

juanjo wrote: »

BTW is it me or a very sizeable portion of the NOers here seem to be men?

Just curious about the results' demographics, it might paint an interesting picture...

And there's going to be lots of women voting No on the issue as well. Can we take a fecking break from the gender wars on this forum…

Shurimgreat

SusieBlue wrote: »

I'm talking about those at the forefront of LoveBoth - Peadar Toibín, Ronan Mullen, Maria Stein, etc. They all opposed POLDPA.
They will run a similar No campaign to any future abortion referendum. They don't agree with it in any circumstances.

Susie, you underestimate the Irish people.
Most Irish people on the Yes and No sides are compassionate and they have little or no time for the Catholic Church or the Iona institute.
Any new referendum which shows compassion for both healthy unborn children who do not belong to the "Hard Cases" category and also compassion for the "Hard Cases" category can expect to Pass with a huge majority.
This current referendum doesn't do that which is why it will be close or with a narrow Yes or No win. Either way its been unnecessarily divisive and I also fear many people are voting without fully understanding the consequences of their vote.