Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

Strazdas wrote: »

One wonders if he was undergoing some mental health issues. Murdering a young girl in broad daylight, going on the run and then attempting suicide and leaving a suicide note doesn't sound normal in any way.

I don't think I have bumped into him since 2008 so I guess a lot can happen in 10 years. I would of never thought he was capable of this back then... or anyone I have ever met for that matter.

Strazdas wrote: »

RTE Radio addressing the rumours that the murderer and Jastine knew each other but say that so far, there is nothing to indicate that these rumours are correct. The belief is it was a random abduction.

I be surprised if it was in the ramblers. If it's still the same as it was it's a kip.

Tippex wrote:

Yes they are but the ERU are not the ones who shot it was a local detective from shankill afaik.

DwightSchrute1 wrote:

It appears to have been a detective that shot him. As far I am aware, Gardai are trained to kill, not disable. I think you have been watching too many John Wayne and Clint Eastwood movies if you think it works like that.

Ok, it was a local detective who, I presume, is fully trained in handling of firearms. If the training manual instruction is "shoot to kill" in all instances where the life of an officer is at risk, this needs to be revised in order to take into account the level of that risk. The level of risk posed by a gang of armed robbers, let's say, cannot be deemed as equal to that posed by a lone male armed with a Stanley knife.

kingofclay wrote: »

Hindsight is a great thing but if only the driver had followed Hennessy and called for backup(Called the Guards while following him). People should try to be more tuned in. Too bad it was a middle aged women that was behind, and not a gang of young lads.

*But I heard she was sitting in the pub and saw it through a window. That was my impression.

Probably in shock. I remember seeing bizarre things before and going into shock.

Anyway lets say she did chase after him you can bet a guy as unhinged as that you might be hearing of two murders now.
Would have been extremley dangerous to give chase.

chicorytip wrote: »

Ok, it was a local detective who, I presume, is fully trained in handling of firearms. If the training manual instruction is "shoot to kill" in all instances where the life of an officer is at risk, this needs to be revised in order to take into account the level of that risk. The level of risk posed by a gang of armed robbers, let's say, cannot be deemed as equal to that posed by a lone male armed with a Stanley knife.

Once a person’s life is at risk, wether by Stanley knife or firearm, the response should be the same, and in the case, the Garda was well within his right to discharge his firearm as there was a threat to life.

chicorytip wrote: »

The level of violence deployed by the Gardai in this incident was shocking to me. It is inexplicable how a trained marksman could not shoot merely to disable rather than kill through the head. Hennessy was not physically intimidating and had already self inflicted injuries. He was not an armed bank robber. Even in an American context this would be shocking.

How do you know? Were you there when it happened?

So sad.

Reading about a comment on porn here on his thread.

I completely agree. Violent and abusive porn of women is incredibly, incredibly damaging to the world at large.

What view is a teenage boy going to have of women when he grows up watching that.


What can we do to regulate it?


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Pepper spray is a terrible idea. It is routinely used by scumbags before attacking and mugging people as it is.

The vast majority of muggings and assaults happen in the blink of an eye so you have no time to fish it out of your bag or pocket and use it.

If you do take it out in time, it only serves to escalate the situation. You can be damn sure that the same type of person who mugs people won't think twice about hitting you in the back of the head, or producing a knife first.

If you do manage to spray it, you have a very high likelihood of spraying yourself.

I'm not advocating to appease these scumbags, but rarely does adding more weapons to a fight improve the outcome for anyone.

chicorytip wrote: »

Ok, it was a local detective who, I presume, is fully trained in handling of firearms. If the training manual instruction is "shoot to kill" in all instances where the life of an officer is at risk, this needs to be revised in order to take into account the level of that risk. The level of risk posed by a gang of armed robbers, let's say, cannot be deemed as equal to that posed by a lone male armed with a Stanley knife.

It's almost as if you believe the perpetrator has a greater right to life than the gardaí he was trying to stab.

Threat to life is threat to life, regardless of whether it is one person attacking you or a thousand. If you or the life of another is immediate danger from another person (and being attacked with a knife is immediate danger, believe you me), then you can use lethal force to stop that threat.

I do seriously suggest you look up the video of the 4 Honduran police officers being stabbed multiple times (one of them fatally) while trying to arrest a single knife-wielding assailant if you don't believe the damage a person with a knife can do.

That Garda did the right thing IMV.

There are no guarantees that the murderer would admit to anything is there. NO. So up to DPP/State to prove it and the defence to defend. All at taxpayer expense too. Oh and multiple appeals too. And then maybe a guilty but insane verdict and out in a few years like that fella in Sligo who killed in the hospital grounds.

Anyway I always have a tiny hair spray can in my pocket the size you buy for going through security in airports. I hope I never have to use it but I reckon it might stun an attacker enough for me to get away. And it is not dangerous, just gets in your eyes. If I’m able to use it that is, but it is comforting just the same.

My deepest sympathy to the families involved, yes even the murderers family. It was a shocking thing all round.

With further details emerging, the guy had attempted suicide, blood must have been everywhere and when he reached for something, guards at that stage probably assumed she was still in the vehicle and in clear danger too, he correctly fired, and if "leak "is correct , didn't aim at head but single bullet shot travelled through his raised arm and ended up a fatal head wound. Guard had a split second to react in a very tense, highly emotional and dangerous situation. Made a good judgment call if that was the scenario he was engrossed in.
2 families absolutely distraught and a hard road ahead of them.

juneg wrote: »

Do we still think it's a random attack? Did she know him. Was he a stalker

Latest media reports this evening said they could find no evidence of any link between the murderer and Jastine, despite rumours to the contrary.

Conor1974 wrote: »

Wasn’t that other c*nt up in Cavan caught masterbating to some dodgy porn at the school he worked before his killing spree.

And the fella that murdered the Garda and shot his partner in the head was caught with bestiality porn.

All this proves is that people with a screw loose and kill people generally have a screw loose and eccentric tastes.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I hope they don't . Because it was all speculation .

I would have thought if there was any truth in that speculation, it would be leaking into the national press by now. The fact that the media are talking of no obvious link between the killer and Jastine (at the moment anyway) makes me suspect it was a random abduction.