Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

Stonedpilot · 22-05-2018 01:35PM

What's sad is crap fear mongering 'journalists' like Paul Williams will have a embellished book out on this within a year.

M_Bear · 22-05-2018 01:37PM

I'll not shed a tear for him either, believe me, but the cruel fact is that his death may intensify the grief of Justyne's family given that had he survived and been brought to trial the motivation for his actions may have become clear. It's unlikely, now, that we will ever know.
To suggest that my posts in this thread are in some sense written to denigrate An Garda Siochana is utterly ludicrous. The point I am raising - and it is a valid point - relates to the training and competence of armed officers in these specific types of situations.

Even if he was alive, they may never get the answers they crave. They will probably get more answers from evidence being gathered by the investigation team on his life/past. Look at the Larry Murphy and Graham Dwyer cases... they gave no more answers but rather denied their crimes even when confronted with hard evidence. Larry is now out and about roaming the streets and no doubt Graham will sometime do the same. Nobody is safe with these psychopaths around. If anything, the world is a safer place now that there is NO opportunity for this p**** to ever harm another innocent life.Having him in an irish jail would be too good for him. He'd be playing playstation and draining resources while another family mourns the loss of their child. They'd also have the stress of any parole applications. Maybe right now it is a lot to process for them but in the future they should be glad that the b***** is dead and buried

ifElseThen · 22-05-2018 01:38PM

chicorytip wrote: »

Even in an American context this would be shocking.

"Leg shots to disable them" only happen in the movies. Armed cops fire to stop the threat.

When the ERU (I know they didn't shoot in this incident) shot John Carthy way back when, the subsequent invited FBI investigation concluded that the main problem with the Garda actions on the day was that they waited too long to fatally Mr Carthy.

ifElseThen · 22-05-2018 01:39PM

M_Bear wrote: »

Larry is now out and about roaming the streets and no doubt Graham will sometime do the same.

It's a pity those 2 hunters who came across him, didn't put a few rounds into him.

Sunflower 27 · 22-05-2018 01:41PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

What's sad is crap fear mongering 'journalists' like Paul Williams will have a embellished book out on this within a year.

I worked in publishing for many years. I remember one morning a story broke that a young woman and her child had been killed in a house fire. The deputy editor was excited as it was a big local story and that meant selling more newspapers. It sickens me when I think about the false sadness he displayed when outside the news room.

So glad I know longer work in that industry. I found it soulless.

And yep, someone will cash in on this by writing a book.

BattleCorp · 22-05-2018 01:41PM

After listening to Dr. Ciara Kelly on Newstalk today I feel it is my duty to apologise for being a male.

I'm Sorry.

BattleCorp · 22-05-2018 01:42PM

ifElseThen wrote: »

It's a pity those 2 hunters who came across him, didn't put a few rounds into him.

Unfortunately if they did, they'd be jailed.

ted1 · 22-05-2018 01:45PM

beerbaron wrote: »

ted1 wrote: »

Sorry meant to say let bing in Bray, Shankill is half way between the two and he seems to socialise in Ballybrack

Where ? I didnt see this reported.

There’s a video of him drinking in the ramblers

TommyKnocker · 22-05-2018 01:45PM

I also thought to myself why the guy was killed and not just incapacitated, understanding that I did not know what went down leading up to the shooting. My reasoning was not sympathy for the guy, but that at the time I heard of the shooting the young lady had still not been found and I thought it would have been better if he could have been questioned on her whereabouts even if as it turned out she had been killed, they may have found her body quicker. As it turns out I read he left a letter detailing where her body could be found and her body was discovered shortly after.

RIP to the young lady and heart felt sympathies to her family & friends.

Shurimgreat · 22-05-2018 01:47PM

Sounds like suicide by cop to me. He got his just desserts.

Save a bill for the taxpayer housing him in a prison. He'd also likely claim insanity or something like that.

A good result all round and hopefully puts off any would be abductors in future.

Squatter · 22-05-2018 01:47PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

What's sad is crap fear mongering 'journalists' like Paul Williams will have a embellished book out on this within a year.

Shooting the messenger?

If you don't like the book, then you won't have to buy it.

M_Bear · 22-05-2018 01:53PM

TommyKnocker wrote: »

I also thought to myself why the guy was killed and not just incapacitated, understanding that I did not know what went down leading up to the shooting. My reasoning was not sympathy for the guy, but that at the time I heard of the shooting the young lady had still not been found and I thought it would have been better if he could have been questioned on her whereabouts even if as it turned out she had been killed, they may have found her body quicker. As it turns out I read he left a letter detailing where her body could be found and her body was discovered shortly after.

RIP to the young lady and heart felt sympathies to her family & friends.

The intention was to incapacitate but it exited his shoulder through his head. I'm not an expert but I imagine hitting an exact spot on a moving target in a split second decision is extremely difficult even for trained shooters.

Skylinehead · 22-05-2018 01:56PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

After listening to Dr. Ciara Kelly on Newstalk today I feel it is my duty to apologise for being a male.

I'm Sorry.

Would you stop with the gender-baiting nonsense? Not the thread for it.

bullvine · 22-05-2018 01:59PM

ted1 wrote: »

Sorry meant to say let bing in Bray, Shankill is half way between the two and he seems to socialise in Ballybrack

Hes from the Brack.. but actually lived in the noggin as a kid but dont hold that against us.

I knew him as a teenager.

Mrsmum · 22-05-2018 02:00PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Sounds like suicide by cop to me. He got his just desserts.

Save a bill for the taxpayer housing him in a prison. He'd also likely claim insanity or something like that.

A good result all round and hopefully puts off any would be abductors in future.

On the other hand if one is minded to do such an appalling deed like he did and be caught, maybe being shot dead would be seen as an advantage compared to having to account for your actions and spending years in jail. Fellas like him I think are cowards, well able to attack a small woman but probably would be scared of their lives to go to jail where some real hard men are.
Btw I'm not mourning him just wondering which would have hurt him more.

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bullvine · 22-05-2018 02:04PM

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All I remember of him was he was quiet and yes socially awkward at the time but so are a lot of teenagers. It was 25 years ago at least. He certainly was nothing like some of the headcases I knew back then.

I feel a little ill each time I see his pic. He actually hadnt changed that much.

thebull85 · 22-05-2018 02:05PM

bullvine wrote: »

Hes from the Brack.. but actually lived in the noggin as a kid but dont hold that against us.

I knew him as a teenager.

Go on outta that who je tink your codding..

juno10353 · 22-05-2018 02:08PM

As gardai have found no connection between them, and that the attack was opportunistic and random, is it possible that Mark Hennessy thought that poor Jastine was a child. She has been described as being of small build. Maybe gardai also looking at attempted child abductions and assaults.

bullvine · 22-05-2018 02:10PM

thebull85 wrote: »

Go on outta that who je tink your codding..

Whatever.

I am sure theres other users on here that knew him, if they were early 40s from the area. I am pretty sure he went Cabinteely Community School.

lawred2 · 22-05-2018 02:10PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Sounds like suicide by cop to me. He got his just desserts.

Save a bill for the taxpayer housing him in a prison. He'd also likely claim insanity or something like that.

A good result all round and hopefully puts off any would be abductors in future.

wish more of them would come to the same end if I'm honest

Johnny Jukebox · 22-05-2018 02:17PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Unfortunately if they did, they'd be jailed.

Oh I don't know, an accidental discharge during the struggle to try and stop Larry murdering yet another young woman...

knucklehead6 · 22-05-2018 02:19PM

Johnny Jukebox wrote: »

Oh I don't know, an accidental discharge during the struggle to try and stop Larry murdering yet another young woman...

I direct you to one Mr. P Nally.

BattleCorp · 22-05-2018 02:21PM

Johnny Jukebox wrote: »

Oh I don't know, an accidental discharge during the struggle to try and stop Larry murdering yet another young woman...

You'd still face court with no guarantee that you'd be found not guilty.

At a minimum you'd lose your guns.

beerbaron · 22-05-2018 02:24PM

ted1 wrote: »

There’s a video of him drinking in the ramblers

Is there more than one video (I'm sure there is) ?
The one i saw is from the Martello three weeks ago - confirmed by the sisters in the video.

Strazdas · 22-05-2018 02:27PM

juno10353 wrote: »

As gardai have found no connection between them, and that the attack was opportunistic and random, is it possible that Mark Hennessy thought that poor Jastine was a child. She has been described as being of small build. Maybe gardai also looking at attempted child abductions and assaults.

A striking aspect of the case is that he carried out the abduction in broad daylight and with people watching. There was a car right behind his one and the female driver saw the whole thing and it seems there may have been other witnesses too.

This explains how the the Gardai were on the case immediately and knew a young woman had been abducted.

Mrsmum · 22-05-2018 02:39PM

Strazdas wrote: »

A striking aspect of the case is that he carried out the abduction in broad daylight and with people watching. There was a car right behind his one and the female driver saw the whole thing and it seems there may have been other witnesses too.

This explains how the the Gardai were on the case immediately and knew a young woman had been abducted.

Sounds like the work of a crazy person. Drugs maybe ?

BattleCorp · 22-05-2018 02:40PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Sounds like the work of a crazy person. Drugs maybe ?

I'd say he just went mental.

kingofclay · 22-05-2018 02:40PM

Hindsight is a great thing but if only the driver had followed Hennessy and called for backup(Called the Guards while following him). People should try to be more tuned in. Too bad it was a middle aged women that was behind, and not a gang of young lads.

*But I heard she was sitting in the pub and saw it through a window. That was my impression.

cavemeister · 22-05-2018 02:41PM

Strazdas wrote: »

A striking aspect of the case is that he carried out the abduction in broad daylight and with people watching. There was a car right behind his one and the female driver saw the whole thing and it seems there may have been other witnesses too.

This explains how the the Gardai were on the case immediately and knew a young woman had been abducted.

I had read that the woman was out walking and saw it - she had to run back to her car to get her phone hence, there was a delay in the call. I could be wrong though.

Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

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