Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

chicorytip · 22-05-2018 02:17PM

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

He was attempting to murder an unarmed Garda. Were they supposed to take it like stoic philosophers?

And "trained marksman"? Where do you get that info from?

You don't shoot to injure, there is no such thing as a safe place to shoot somebody. You shoot for where you can hit - centre of mass usually or whatever is the largest part of the target that you can see and reasonably hit.

Of course they are trained, for heavens sake!! They are an elite armed group within the force - the Emergency Response Unit.

wakka12 · 22-05-2018 02:18PM

Dont get why people care the gardai shot him, its just a pity it was in the head and got such a quick death

Kuva · 22-05-2018 02:19PM

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

I think you need to search for the video of the 4 Honduran police officers being stabbed (one of them fatally) by a knife-wielding assailant because they were too slow to use their firearms.

I've said it before in this thread - knife attacks are no joke and the level of danger they represent should not be underestimated.

Stanley knife this guy had going by reports.

billybonkers · 22-05-2018 02:19PM

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

I think you need to search for the video of the 4 Honduran police officers being stabbed (one of them fatally) by a knife-wielding assailant because they were too slow to use their firearms.

I've said it before in this thread - knife attacks are no joke and the level of danger they represent should not be underestimated.

This guys username checks out

Raging_Ninja · 22-05-2018 02:20PM

chicorytip wrote: »

Of course they are trained, for heavens sake!! They are an elite armed group within the force - the Emergency Response Unit.

This is the first mention that the ERU were involved. By all accounts it was a detective.

DMcL1971 · 22-05-2018 02:23PM

Ms2011 wrote: »

Part of me (selfishly) would like for them to have known each other. I am a female who regularly walks alone for exercise and the thoughts that some random passer by could abduct you in a car frightens the bejayus out of me

Python Desk wrote: »

Be thankful you aren't a man, men are significantly more likely to be the victims of unprovoked attacks.

Men may be statistically more likely to be the victims of unprovoked attacks. But there is a huge difference between an average bloke being punched in the street by another average bloke and a woman being attacked by a man.

The average man stands a reasonable chance of fighting off an attacker. You might not win the fight but you could land a few blows and kicks to discourage the attacker and he would be hard pressed to get you into the back of his car.

But the average man would have little difficulty knocking a woman straight to the ground with one punch or just lifting her up and throwing her into a car.

As a man, when I walk down the street the worst that is likely to happen to me is that someone will punch me in the face. Not enjoyable but I'll soon get over it. Therefore I have little fear. But a woman walks down the street knowing that there is a real possibility that any man walking towards her is probably capable of physically overpowering her, raping her or murdering her.

Luckily by far the vast majority of men have no intention of doing that.

A quote from True Detective. Men and women will never be truly equal as long as one of them is capable of killing the other with their bare hands.

shane. · 22-05-2018 02:23PM

allthedoyles wrote: »

If Garda had a body cam it would help

They hardly get overtime

Tippex · 22-05-2018 02:24PM

chicorytip wrote: »

Of course they are trained, for heavens sake!! They are an elite armed group within the force - the Emergency Response Unit.

Yes they are but the ERU are not the ones who shot it was a local detective from shankill afaik.

DwightSchrute1 · 22-05-2018 02:24PM

chicorytip wrote: »

Of course they are trained, for heavens sake!! They are an elite armed group within the force - the Emergency Response Unit.

It appears to have been a detective that shot him. As far I am aware, Gardai are trained to kill, not disable. I think you have been watching too many John Wayne and Clint Eastwood movies if you think it works like that.

whiskeyman · 22-05-2018 02:25PM

chicorytip wrote: »

. The point I am raising - and it is a valid point - relates to the training and competence of armed officers in these specific types of situations.

Unless you were there, you don't know the specifics of this situation.

irishrover99 · 22-05-2018 02:35PM

suemurray wrote: »

An asian lady was attacked with acid in south dublin six months ago, another asian lady was attacked by knife in dun loagaire couple of months. Cases not connected. Raonaid murray stabbed at killed in 1999 in south dublin - unsolved case to this day and they are only cases local to me

Thanks, you've really put me at ease

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My Wife is Asian and it is not unusual for her to be approached by drunks and the odd drug addict while she's been out and about.
On Sunday morning she told me that when she was getting her taxi home from work the night before, the taxi man knew exactly where she was going when she got into the car, which took her by suprise.

He then reminded her that during last summer, her had brought her home after some drunk bloke had be harassing her in Ranelagh while waiting for the taxi. The taxi man picked my wife up and told that guy to FCUK off.

Then Sunday evening when this story really broke and i read it, it was the first time i'd waited up specifically for her to finish work because of worry.

She is a chef and finishes late most nights,sometimes getting the bus and then maybe taxis at the weekend. I've already spoke to her about been more vigilant about who's around her since this happened.

Stonedpilot · 22-05-2018 02:35PM

What's sad is crap fear mongering 'journalists' like Paul Williams will have a embellished book out on this within a year.

M_Bear · 22-05-2018 02:37PM

I'll not shed a tear for him either, believe me, but the cruel fact is that his death may intensify the grief of Justyne's family given that had he survived and been brought to trial the motivation for his actions may have become clear. It's unlikely, now, that we will ever know.
To suggest that my posts in this thread are in some sense written to denigrate An Garda Siochana is utterly ludicrous. The point I am raising - and it is a valid point - relates to the training and competence of armed officers in these specific types of situations.

Even if he was alive, they may never get the answers they crave. They will probably get more answers from evidence being gathered by the investigation team on his life/past. Look at the Larry Murphy and Graham Dwyer cases... they gave no more answers but rather denied their crimes even when confronted with hard evidence. Larry is now out and about roaming the streets and no doubt Graham will sometime do the same. Nobody is safe with these psychopaths around. If anything, the world is a safer place now that there is NO opportunity for this p**** to ever harm another innocent life.Having him in an irish jail would be too good for him. He'd be playing playstation and draining resources while another family mourns the loss of their child. They'd also have the stress of any parole applications. Maybe right now it is a lot to process for them but in the future they should be glad that the b***** is dead and buried

ifElseThen · 22-05-2018 02:38PM

chicorytip wrote: »

Even in an American context this would be shocking.

"Leg shots to disable them" only happen in the movies. Armed cops fire to stop the threat.

When the ERU (I know they didn't shoot in this incident) shot John Carthy way back when, the subsequent invited FBI investigation concluded that the main problem with the Garda actions on the day was that they waited too long to fatally Mr Carthy.

ifElseThen · 22-05-2018 02:39PM

M_Bear wrote: »

Larry is now out and about roaming the streets and no doubt Graham will sometime do the same.

It's a pity those 2 hunters who came across him, didn't put a few rounds into him.

Sunflower 27 · 22-05-2018 02:41PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

What's sad is crap fear mongering 'journalists' like Paul Williams will have a embellished book out on this within a year.

I worked in publishing for many years. I remember one morning a story broke that a young woman and her child had been killed in a house fire. The deputy editor was excited as it was a big local story and that meant selling more newspapers. It sickens me when I think about the false sadness he displayed when outside the news room.

So glad I know longer work in that industry. I found it soulless.

And yep, someone will cash in on this by writing a book.

BattleCorp · 22-05-2018 02:41PM

After listening to Dr. Ciara Kelly on Newstalk today I feel it is my duty to apologise for being a male.

I'm Sorry.

BattleCorp · 22-05-2018 02:42PM

ifElseThen wrote: »

It's a pity those 2 hunters who came across him, didn't put a few rounds into him.

Unfortunately if they did, they'd be jailed.

ted1 · 22-05-2018 02:45PM

beerbaron wrote: »

ted1 wrote: »

Sorry meant to say let bing in Bray, Shankill is half way between the two and he seems to socialise in Ballybrack

Where ? I didnt see this reported.

There’s a video of him drinking in the ramblers

TommyKnocker · 22-05-2018 02:45PM

I also thought to myself why the guy was killed and not just incapacitated, understanding that I did not know what went down leading up to the shooting. My reasoning was not sympathy for the guy, but that at the time I heard of the shooting the young lady had still not been found and I thought it would have been better if he could have been questioned on her whereabouts even if as it turned out she had been killed, they may have found her body quicker. As it turns out I read he left a letter detailing where her body could be found and her body was discovered shortly after.

RIP to the young lady and heart felt sympathies to her family & friends.

Shurimgreat · 22-05-2018 02:47PM

Sounds like suicide by cop to me. He got his just desserts.

Save a bill for the taxpayer housing him in a prison. He'd also likely claim insanity or something like that.

A good result all round and hopefully puts off any would be abductors in future.

Squatter · 22-05-2018 02:47PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

What's sad is crap fear mongering 'journalists' like Paul Williams will have a embellished book out on this within a year.

Shooting the messenger?

If you don't like the book, then you won't have to buy it.

M_Bear · 22-05-2018 02:53PM

TommyKnocker wrote: »

I also thought to myself why the guy was killed and not just incapacitated, understanding that I did not know what went down leading up to the shooting. My reasoning was not sympathy for the guy, but that at the time I heard of the shooting the young lady had still not been found and I thought it would have been better if he could have been questioned on her whereabouts even if as it turned out she had been killed, they may have found her body quicker. As it turns out I read he left a letter detailing where her body could be found and her body was discovered shortly after.

RIP to the young lady and heart felt sympathies to her family & friends.

The intention was to incapacitate but it exited his shoulder through his head. I'm not an expert but I imagine hitting an exact spot on a moving target in a split second decision is extremely difficult even for trained shooters.

Skylinehead · 22-05-2018 02:56PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

After listening to Dr. Ciara Kelly on Newstalk today I feel it is my duty to apologise for being a male.

I'm Sorry.

Would you stop with the gender-baiting nonsense? Not the thread for it.

bullvine · 22-05-2018 02:59PM

ted1 wrote: »

Sorry meant to say let bing in Bray, Shankill is half way between the two and he seems to socialise in Ballybrack

Hes from the Brack.. but actually lived in the noggin as a kid but dont hold that against us.

I knew him as a teenager.

Mrsmum · 22-05-2018 03:00PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Sounds like suicide by cop to me. He got his just desserts.

Save a bill for the taxpayer housing him in a prison. He'd also likely claim insanity or something like that.

A good result all round and hopefully puts off any would be abductors in future.

On the other hand if one is minded to do such an appalling deed like he did and be caught, maybe being shot dead would be seen as an advantage compared to having to account for your actions and spending years in jail. Fellas like him I think are cowards, well able to attack a small woman but probably would be scared of their lives to go to jail where some real hard men are.
Btw I'm not mourning him just wondering which would have hurt him more.

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bullvine · 22-05-2018 03:04PM

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All I remember of him was he was quiet and yes socially awkward at the time but so are a lot of teenagers. It was 25 years ago at least. He certainly was nothing like some of the headcases I knew back then.

I feel a little ill each time I see his pic. He actually hadnt changed that much.

thebull85 · 22-05-2018 03:05PM

bullvine wrote: »

Hes from the Brack.. but actually lived in the noggin as a kid but dont hold that against us.

I knew him as a teenager.

Go on outta that who je tink your codding..

juno10353 · 22-05-2018 03:08PM

As gardai have found no connection between them, and that the attack was opportunistic and random, is it possible that Mark Hennessy thought that poor Jastine was a child. She has been described as being of small build. Maybe gardai also looking at attempted child abductions and assaults.

Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

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