Clare GAA discussion thread

Clareman · 08-05-2018 08:08PM

Half time in the minor football, Tipp lead 1-2 to 0-4

Clareman · 08-05-2018 08:48PM

Electric Ireland Munster Minor Football S/F. Full time score: Tipperary 2-4(10) Clare 1-9(12)

Davys Fits · 08-05-2018 09:21PM

danganabu wrote: »

The most alarming thing looking in from the outside was the massive differnce in physicality, it really was a case of men against boys. this seems to be an issue for Clare across all age groups including senior.

It didnt stop Clare winning in 2013. I dont think anyone can be blamed for the lack of big players. There are plenty of them in Clare but theyre just not good enough. A new focus on physicality would be a big mistake. Its the small men on the sideline Im more worried about.

Gael85 · 08-05-2018 10:05PM

Clareman wrote: »

Electric Ireland Munster Minor Football S/F. Full time score: Tipperary 2-4(10) Clare 1-9(12)

Great result.Was there something about the Clare bus been late delaying the throw in?

windy shepard henderson · 09-05-2018 01:53AM

Gael85 wrote: »

Great result.Was there something about the Clare bus been late delaying the throw in?

great win tonight , especially to have to go down to thurles to get the win , the final wont be easy but excellent campaign so far by the footballers especially the likes of shane meehan and Emmet mcmahon

but the reason for the last start is laughable if true as it is "rumored" and of course this is just a "rumor"

it appears our great leader in clare abby forgot to order the bus in time :rolleyes:

of course this is just a rumor and probably no truth to this fiasco in which we are probably blaming poor old pat fitz in the wrong for a bus turning up over an hour late to pick the players up at the west county

absolute disgrace if true terrible way for a team to prepare , well done again pat!!

Figerty · 09-05-2018 08:57AM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

Bad night at the office last night , I still rate a number of players out of this panel for the future , but either the preperation or the setup its self something was wrong from the outset

Probably lucky not to be further behind at half time , but we were competitive up to the sending off ,

Most likely we would have been beaten anyway but not by the margin of 14 points , two things stood out though last night

1 having to make so many changes before and at half time to me is a bad indictment on the preparation by the management

Michael o'shea is having a fine league with smith O'Briens , as is paudi o loughlin for clonlara ,surely these two players should have started on form alone

2 in the defense of management , players like colin guilfoyle and Billy Connors had poor games and are key players for the future , I would have expected much better from them two ,

Limerick have a fine team coming through and will take beating for the rest of the year , a result like last night though should act as a warning sign that we need to improve on the underage setups especially at this level

Hold fire a little on the preparation.
Shannaher, Martin Daly, and Noonan were all injured. All were certain starters for this team, which was weaker U21 team in any case. Take 1/5th of a starting team out, and in this case three central players on the 21 age level, it's hard to win a match against a strong Limerick team.
We were beaten badly at midfield and this is where Limerick were able to build their win. No pressure on Kyle Hayes at centre back as a result.
Paudi O'Loughlin should have started, but Guilfoyle, Connors and a few others were marked out of it. I felt sorry for the full back line they worked hard, and the sending off was sign of the pressure they were under all evening.

danganabu · 09-05-2018 10:54AM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

but the reason for the last start is laughable if true as it is "rumored" and of course this is just a "rumor" it appears our great leader in clare abby forgot to order the bus in time :rolleyes:

of course this is just a rumor and probably no truth to this fiasco in which we are probably blaming poor old pat fitz in the wrong for a bus turning up over an hour late to pick the players up at the west county

absolute disgrace if true terrible way for a team to prepare , well done again pat!!

Heard the exact same rumour last night. Would it really be up to Pat Fitz to be organising buses though? Or those he keep that tight a grip on the purse strings?

danganabu · 09-05-2018 10:58AM

Davys Fits wrote: »

It didnt stop Clare winning in 2013. I dont think anyone can be blamed for the lack of big players. There are plenty of them in Clare but theyre just not good enough. A new focus on physicality would be a big mistake. Its the small men on the sideline Im more worried about.

It didnt stop them in 2013 but there has been 4 full seasons since where it certainly has, Clare have failed to win a single championship match of significance in that time. An inability to win promary possesion is a huge problem. There is no point in having 6 skillfull 'nice' forwards if they can't win their own ball, its all about balance and sometimes you have to pick players that offer something different.

Twiceasnice97 · 09-05-2018 12:24PM

Figerty wrote: »

Hold fire a little on the preparation.
Shannaher, Martin Daly, and Noonan were all injured. All were certain starters for this team, which was weaker U21 team in any case. Take 1/5th of a starting team out, and in this case three central players on the 21 age level, it's hard to win a match against a strong Limerick team.
We were beaten badly at midfield and this is where Limerick were able to build their win. No pressure on Kyle Hayes at centre back as a result.
Paudi O'Loughlin should have started, but Guilfoyle, Connors and a few others were marked out of it. I felt sorry for the full back line they worked hard, and the sending off was sign of the pressure they were under all evening.

limerick were without mcnamara last years keeper, mcsweeney the DCU Fitzgibbon cup corner back Jerome Boylan who started corner back for na piarsaigh and Peter casey

The team selection was ridiculous aith glaring nepotism as a factor
we could have selected Guilfoyle at wing forward where he destroyed the bridge last year o loughlin at 11 where he would have competed strongly with hayes physically and McCarthy where he started. that would have given us a solid physical platform in the middle to compete.
gary cooney at 11 was nuts
if we were looking for him we were playing the ball into the area where Kyle Hayes was if we were picking him there to move him away from Hayes that was giving Hayes a free run which destroyed every team limerick played last year

when we finally had P O loughlin on the field with Guilfoyle and A McCarthy in the half forward line we were well able to compete physically and the game turned a bit

Had we selected O connor and o loughlin from the start there would have been very little physical difference between the teams

windy shepard henderson · 09-05-2018 03:34PM

danganabu wrote: »

Heard the exact same rumour last night. Would it really be up to Pat Fitz to be organising buses though? Or those he keep that tight a grip on the purse strings?

Yeah it seems pat fitz is a leave it to me type Secretary , hands on on everything I am actually surprised he wasn't driving the bus......ðŸ˜‰, normally the management would have the bus sorted , but in Fitzgeralds case he likes to be seen organizing things ,

He booked everything else ....bar the bus , the players all met up at the west county hotel for the pre match preparation and meel , everything was on course until no bus had arrived until 6o'clock

Management were furious with him I am led to believe

windy shepard henderson · 09-05-2018 03:47PM

Figerty wrote: »

Hold fire a little on the preparation.
Shannaher, Martin Daly, and Noonan were all injured. All were certain starters for this team, which was weaker U21 team in any case. Take 1/5th of a starting team out, and in this case three central players on the 21 age level, it's hard to win a match against a strong Limerick team.
We were beaten badly at midfield and this is where Limerick were able to build their win. No pressure on Kyle Hayes at centre back as a result.
Paudi O'Loughlin should have started, but Guilfoyle, Connors and a few others were marked out of it. I felt sorry for the full back line they worked hard, and the sending off was sign of the pressure they were under all evening.

You are right we are an inferior side to limerick at this grade but , did we give ourselves enough of a chance?

Not starting o loughlin was a poor call. Also having to make so many changes before and at half time dose nothing for the Argument in terms of preparation

Connors was very poor for a guy that is highly rated , guilfoyle was below standerd but shouldn't have started inside , but if I am listening to the right sorces , guilfoyle has been tried out in several other possitions in the backs in recent weeks , I dont think he was tried out too much on the 40 in warm up games . If true it would be another black mark against the management

windy shepard henderson · 13-05-2018 09:24PM

starting with hurling , this week was the last week of club games before the championship starts at intercounty for both hurlers and footballers next weekend ,

few alarming signs from one or two clubs at the moment , clarecastle and wolfe tones still seem to be struggling while newamrket have been decimated at times with the loss of players to the oscar traynor cup or newmarket celtic soccer teams , they i am sure are one of a few clubs that did not get the most out of the 6 week club break

inagh kilnamona have been boosted by the return of the arthur brothers who were based in dublin over the last few years , niall has shot the lights out this year and while he is operating as a louth intercounty hurler now , his club form has him under the clare spotlight for next year alreay

colin guilfoyle has showed his promise on last years championship form stepping in to colin ryans shoes comfortably and another i expect to make a jump onto the senior panel next year , when the likes of colin ryan ans stephen kelly return from soccer duty i expect the blues to have a huge say in the championship later in the year

the performances of feakle and broadford in 1A and smith o'brians in 1b has set the tone to what should be an excellent and open intermediate championship

virtually impossible to gather info on scorers from the teams based in the intermediate championship so i did not include scorers in division 1B but number of players per team used seems accurate

windy shepard henderson · 13-05-2018 09:43PM

1 round remaining in both Cusack cup and garry cups , in division 1 doonbeg surprisingly will join o'currys in Division 2 next year baring a near miricle , cooraclare are flying under aidan horse' maloney and are dark horses for the championship along with miltown , while clondegad have picked up where they left off last year

in the garry cup , eire og and ennistymon are promotion bound for next year , cratloe will probably make the 3rd semi final spot , coolmeen are relegated , the loser of kilrush and kildysart will join them

eye catching performances from gavin cooney in division 2 and , form a few players mentioned in the past on this thread ,as dermot coughlan , jack morrissey and joe mcgann shoot out the lights in division 1 , all 3 players u20 this year as far as i am aware

letowski · 18-05-2018 11:11PM

Clare:
1. Donal Tuohy

2. Patrick O’Connor
3. Conor Cleary
4. Jack Browne

5. David Fitzgerald
6. David McInerney
7. Seadna Morey

8. Colm Galvin
9. Tony Kelly

10. Cathal Malone
11. John Conlon
12. David Reidy

13, Conor McGrath
14. Peter Duggan
15. Shane O’Donnell

This is a tough game to call. It's hard being excited after the league, we didn't try much new things, and the things we did try like the Cleary and McInerney switch, is going to go back the way it was last year. I think 11 from last year's Munster final are starting again (two are injury enforced in Shanagher and O'Brien) so we will get to see if there has been a clear margin of improvement from last year. To be honest I'm not holding my breath but we will see.

We really need to see a step up in Clare's workrate and intensity that, for me, has been somewhat lacking under this management. I think if we can get stuck into the Cork team, instead of sitting back and off them like last year (puckouts :rolleyes:), I'd give us a good chance. But I think if Nash is finding his men with his puckouts and Cork are getting good ball bouncing up into their forwards, we won't win. Also, without sounding like a broken record, but Duggan needs to play on the 40. I think we can hurt the Cork's back line but equally they can do the same to us, our backline isn't really settled at all.

I want to say Clare to win marginally, but it's a long time since we did win a tight Munster championship game.

Clareman · 18-05-2018 11:32PM

I think is 1 of the most disillusioned I've been with Clare hurling in a very long way, I can't see us winning any of our games to be honest, you'd hope to win the home games but I can't say we're better than any of the other counties in Munster.

Motivator · 19-05-2018 08:08AM

Wow I was expecting to come on here and see you guys are confident ahead of tomorrow. I give you a great chance and as an outsider looking in, I can’t understand what the negativity is all about.

I think the 3 games you guys won in the league were 3 very good performances. The amount of chances created, not all of them converted, was scary - wasn’t there something like 24 wides in one game? I think your lads are hard ground players and will be well suited to Sunday. Cork are not a great team at all, Clare should have beaten them in the Munster Final last year. I think if Clare start well then you will grow in confidence as the game wears on, I can see a Clare win by 3+.

You guys also have a championship game in Pairc Ui Caoimh under your belts, Cork don’t yet. Don’t underestimate that. Hope it’s a good game and Clare do the business.

letowski · 19-05-2018 11:17AM

Motivator wrote:

Wow I was expecting to come on here and see you guys are confident ahead of tomorrow. I give you a great chance and as an outsider looking in, I canâ€™t understand what the negativity is all about.

I think it is the last 5 seasons of underperformances that is leading to alot of skepticism from the county. I genuinely believe we have the talent to go along way in the championship, but im not sure I saw much improvement on some of our weakeness from last year. We will see though, because the league to me doesnt matter one bit come championship, hopefully Clare can finally step up. Tomorrow for me is a 50-50 game. I dont want to over simplify things, but the team who delivers more quality ball to their forwards will win because I think both back lines are a little suspect. We'll see anyway.

windy shepard henderson · 19-05-2018 12:05PM

Yeah there are more questions then answers leading into this one , our full forward line was terrible against limerick , shane o donnell had 1 shot on goal in the entire 90 minutes of hurling , Connor McGrath is playing well below par also ,

In truth we should be winning here but to be fair we have yet to beat cork since the all Ireland and its anyone's guess what clare team turns up

On the plus side cian dillion and Jamie shannahan are back on the bench and options to come on if needed ,

Clareman · 19-05-2018 01:07PM

letowski wrote: »

I think it is the last 5 seasons of underperformances that is leading to alot of skepticism from the county. I genuinely believe we have the talent to go along way in the championship, but im not sure I saw much improvement on some of our weakeness from last year. We will see though, because the league to me doesnt matter one bit come championship, hopefully Clare can finally step up. Tomorrow for me is a 50-50 game. I dont want to over simplify things, but the team who delivers more quality ball to their forwards will win because I think both back lines are a little suspect. We'll see anyway.

Could be argued that it's almost 20 years of non-performing that's getting us down, take the semi-final and finals of 2013 out of the equation (big things to remove I know) and it's hard to think of the last "good year" of Clare senior hurling, even getting to the final in 2002 seemed like luck that deserved.

windy shepard henderson · 19-05-2018 04:48PM

footballers line out tonight without sean o'donohue or ciaran russell , sean has returned home to chicago for the summer to spend time with his family and ciaran has temporarily dropped out of the panel due to work commitments

both huge loses to the panel , o'donohue was outstanding in the league , gordon kelly returns tonight also after his 3 month ban , jerome henery and his officials can hang there heads in shame over that disgrace of a decision :mad:

the team lines out as follows , below is the full panel for the championship , great to see young players like gavin cooney and ross phelan called up from last years minor sides ]

tough game in store tonight in my opinion ,only a point separated the sides last year tonight will be equally close , limerick will be stronger then what they were at any stage of the league , especially with the return of ian corbet

https://twitter.com/Clare_Football/status/997443882429370369

windy shepard henderson · 19-05-2018 04:58PM

Clareman wrote: »

Could be argued that it's almost 20 years of non-performing that's getting us down, take the semi-final and finals of 2013 out of the equation (big things to remove I know) and it's hard to think of the last "good year" of Clare senior hurling, even getting to the final in 2002 seemed like luck that deserved.

2002 felt a little inevitable that we were going to lose at some stage , thats probably what makes that waterford win in the semi final that bit more memorable , taught our performance was fine in the final too but at the time kilkenny were almost unstoppable with the team they had out

i regard clare as a bit of a yoyo county as far as hurling is concerned , you just have to stick it out i sopose , my first munster hurling final was in 1993 , who would have taught leaving the gaelic grounds that day after a huge loss to tipperary what was waiting for us around the corner 2 years later

fast forward to 2011 where we were operating at division 2A in the national hurling league struggling to beat teams from the christy ring cup again 2 years later we were walking up the steps of the hogan, all we can do is continue to support until we get it right once again

letowski · 19-05-2018 05:20PM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

2002 felt a little inevitable that we were going to lose at some stage , thats probably what makes that waterford win in the semi final that bit more memorable , taught our performance was fine in the final too but at the time kilkenny were almost unstoppable with the team they had out

i regard clare as a bit of a yoyo county as far as hurling is concerned , you just have to stick it out i sopose , my first munster hurling final was in 1993 , who would have taught leaving the gaelic grounds that day after a huge loss to tipperary what was waiting for us around the corner 2 years later

fast forward to 2011 where we were operating at division 2A in the national hurling league struggling to beat teams from the christy ring cup again 2 years later we were walking up the steps of the hogan, all we can do is continue to support until we get it right once again

That's true. I think there players are there, there's just something missing. I feel like we often leave games where there are alot of regrets and what ifs. Sometimes I think we lack true, follow me anywhere type leaders in this team. The closest we had was Bugler in '12 and '13 where he brought a real warrior fighting spirit that helped drive on the team.

I really just want Clare tomorrow to go out work, harry, hassle like dogs and bring a real aggression and physicality as best they can. I think if the team can do that, they have a chance of beating anyone on they're day.

windy shepard henderson · 19-05-2018 10:47PM

clare 1-23 0-14 limerick

in the end it turned out to be an easy night in the office for the footballers , but the game was well in the balance up to the last 1/4 ofr the game , it looked like it was going to be an easy night when kieran malone struck a rebounded goal to make it 1-06 to 0-1 on the 18th minute , but for the last 17minutes of the half the home team dominated out scoreing us 0-6 points to 0-3 in that period a point blank save from eamon tubridy from a sean mcsweeney shot prevented limerick from drawing level before the break before clare tagged on two scores before the break to give ourselves a 5 point cushion

the first 10 to 15 minutes of the second half was a hard watch , error ridden mistakes from both teams in this period clare kicked 3 fairly poor scorable wides to two limerick scores before the game turned on its head , over the last 20 or so minutes played clare outscored the home side 0-14 - 0-3 and cantered over the line

kieran malone was probably the best clare forward , but some of the scores by eoin cleary and david tubridy were excellent , at the back cillian brennan and pearse lillis were excellent , but the most pleasing aspect of the night was the bench , while the game was all but over when collins emptied the dugout , there were a few eye catching performances especially connor o hainifein and gavin cooney from eire og , in the last few minutes gaeroid o brien , martin o'leary and connor finnucane all chipped in with fine scores

1-22 of the scores came from play tonight from 13 different scorers which is an excellent turn over of scores but plenty to work on if the first 45 minutes is concerned but fine job putting the game to bed over the last 25 ,killarney in two weeks time.... bring on the kingdom!!::pac:

clare scorers

kieiran malone 1-03
eoin cleary 0-5
david tubridy 0-3
eimhin courtney 0-2
conor finnucane 0-2
pearse lillis 0-1
cathal 0'connor 0-1
gavin cooney 0-1
connor o hainifein 0-1
keelan sexton 0-1
gaeroid o'brien 0-1
martin o'leary 0-1
jamie malone 0-1

Motivator · 19-05-2018 11:35PM

letowski wrote: »

That's true. I think there players are there, there's just something missing. I feel like we often leave games where there are alot of regrets and what ifs. Sometimes I think we lack true, follow me anywhere type leaders in this team. The closest we had was Bugler in '12 and '13 where he brought a real warrior fighting spirit that helped drive on the team.

I really just want Clare tomorrow to go out work, harry, hassle like dogs and bring a real aggression and physicality as best they can. I think if the team can do that, they have a chance of beating anyone on they're day.

Are things that bad for yee at the moment? I’d have thought there’d be plenty of confidence of getting the win tomorrow. It’s a big ask for Waterford to go up next week to Ennis and get a win. We’re going up without a 70 min battle under our belts and whatever happens tomorrow it’ll do yee the world of good.

Personally speaking I’d love to see Clare win tomorrow. Aside from ‘98 and ‘02 I haven’t much to dislike yee for!

windy shepard henderson · 19-05-2018 11:53PM

big day out for the u17s squad tomorrow , some excellent work has been done by sean doyle and co in the development squads , shane meehan is the sole duel playerstarting while conor carrig is the only other on the panel , after having a fantastic football campaign the young banner man is a starter with the hurlers , while cork will be strong at this grade dont rule out an appearance in the munster final for the hurlers also , but in truth munster aside this is the start of some really good development squads and there are some excellent hurlers on this side they deserve time in my opinion i expect them to give this competition a serious rattle

1 Cillian O'Brien; -,Clonlara
2 Jack Enright, -,Newmarket
3 Adam Mungovan,-, Doora Barefield
4 Mike Gough; -, smith o'briens
5 Tony Butler, -, Doora Barefield
6 Dylan McMahon,-,Clonlara
7 Darragh Healy; -,Clarecastle
8 Jason Griffin, ,-Bodyke
9 Fionn Slattery; ,- Inagh-K
10 Aidan Moriarty, ,- Clonlara
11 Gearoid O'Grady, ,- Kilmihil
12 William Halpin; ,- Tulla
13 Mark Rodgers ,-Scarriff
,14 Kealan Guyler, ,-Inagh-K
15 Shane Meehan. ,-The Banner

16 Shane White, ,-Sixmilebridge
17 Conor Hegarty, Inagh-k
18 Jack Minogue,,-Bodyke
19 Conor Carigg, ,-Wolfe tones
20 Tadhg Dean,,- Crusheen
21 Robin Mounsey, ,-Ruan
22 Josh Brack,,-Clarecastle
23 Cian Galvin, ,-Clarecastle
24 Ashley Brohan.,-Ruan

windy shepard henderson · 20-05-2018 12:07AM

Motivator wrote: »

Are things that bad for yee at the moment? I’d have thought there’d be plenty of confidence of getting the win tomorrow. It’s a big ask for Waterford to go up next week to Ennis and get a win. We’re going up without a 70 min battle under our belts and whatever happens tomorrow it’ll do yee the world of good.

Personally speaking I’d love to see Clare win tomorrow. Aside from ‘98 and ‘02 I haven’t much to dislike yee for!

its not that bad , but the hope was a few years back that we would have done more by now since 2013 , i am not necessarily talking about wining more all irelands but to be a little more competitive in the all ireland series , its very frustrating to think we have not seen croke park since we won the all ireland 5 years ago

its not doom and gloom just more frustration , we feel there is more in this team somewhere but we have yet to really show it on a consistent level , maybe this new format might help a team like us

deaddonkey15 · 20-05-2018 05:46PM

Same old story.

supernova5 · 20-05-2018 07:56PM

Clare have refined the art of losing games they are capable of and should be winning into a whole new level, something's radically wrong, think its psychological at this point

munsterlegend · 20-05-2018 08:05PM

supernova5 wrote: »

Clare have refined the art of losing games they are capable of and should be winning into a whole new level, something's radically wrong, think its psychological at this point

Game was very even in the first half with Cork recovering after a slow start. In the second half I felt Cork improved and got the goals at vital stages. I think Clare will always find it hard to win games as they always concede high scores.

It could have gone either way yes but I always felt Cork had that extra gear when required.

deaddonkey15 · 20-05-2018 08:11PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

Game was very even in the first half with Cork recovering after a slow start. In the second half I felt Cork improved and got the goals at vital stages. I think Clare will always find it hard to win games as they always concede high scores.

It could have gone either way yes but I always felt Cork had that extra gear when required.

That's just always the case with Clare in the Championship. I think they were level 12 or 13 times today but they never looked like they could actually win.

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