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8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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  • #2912
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    You have no right to criticize how he speaks about his own daughter and his own personal situation.

    Why is it a load of sh*te? Do you not think those are legitimate concerns for a father in his position?

    You have no right to question a sentence I wrote, or something.


  • #2913
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    doylefe wrote: »
    What a load of ****e, and using his daughter like that, should be ashamed of himself.

    Actually, his concerns for his daughter are pretty understandable. In what way do you consider them “shite”? Do elaborate.


  • #2914
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Actually, his concerns for his daughter are pretty understandable. In what way do you consider them “shite”? Do elaborate.

    His concerns are in the realm of outlandish hyperbole.


  • #2915
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    doylefe wrote: »
    His concerns are in the realm of outlandish hyperbole.

    What he’s describing is unlikely but unlikely isn’t impossible. And gather together all the vulnerable fertile girls and women of the country and it’s suddenly not so insignificant.


  • #2916
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    doylefe wrote: »
    What a load of ****e, and using his daughter like that, should be ashamed of himself.

    Translation: “I can’t argue against what he says or his experiences so I’ll just call him names”

    Classy.


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  • #2917
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    amcalester wrote: »
    Translation: “I can’t argue against what he says or his experiences so I’ll just call him names”

    Classy.

    Didn't argue against anything or didn't call him names. I think your translator is broken.


  • #2918
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    doylefe wrote: »
    Didn't argue against anything or didn't call him names. I think your translator is broken.

    I asked earlier but you must have missed it, do you find the no campaign and several no posters on here to be utterly disgusting and shameful due to using disabled children despite bodies like Downs Syndrome Ireland asking them not to?


  • #2919
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    Billy86 wrote: »
    I asked earlier but you must have missed it, do you find the no campaign and several no posters on here to be utterly disgusting and shameful due to using disabled children despite bodies like Downs Syndrome Ireland asking them not to?

    They didn't use hash tags so it's fine.


  • #2920
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    doylefe wrote:
    His concerns are in the realm of outlandish hyperbole.

    No, a human being being created at the moment of conception is outlandish hyperbole...


  • #2921
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    doylefe wrote: »
    They didn't use hash tags so it's fine.
    Beyond the point that responses like this make it come over as if you're simply being a troll, they did - see this for one example.

    So is it fair to say you consider the entire SaveThe8th campaign to be disgusting and something to be ashamed of?


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  • #2922
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    I really think it's going to be a No vote in Donegal. Looking at some of the comments on an online county newspaper, it's a hysterical pit of "murderer", "babies" and other such emotive language from both men and women. The lies and inaccuracies are worrisome.


  • #2923
    KKkitty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭KKkitty


    doylefe wrote: »
    What a load of ****e, and using his daughter like that, should be ashamed of himself.

    He's a parent to a very vulnerable girl. She obviously wouldn't be able to knowingly consent to sex and cope with anything that may happen as a result of it. If you ask me he's doing a great service to other parents whose daughters may be on a similar autistic spectrum as his daughter.


  • #2924
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Beyond the point that responses like this make it come over as if you're simply being a troll, they did - see this for one example.

    So is it fair to say you consider the entire SaveThe8th campaign to be disgusting and something to be ashamed of?

    Do all your posts consist of leading questions?


  • #2925
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    doylefe wrote: »
    Do all your posts consist of leading questions?

    No, just the ones to a) complete hypocrites, and b) obvious trolls. I'm trying to figure out which you are.

    Unless you find the SaveThe8th campaign and most 'no' posters on this thread to be disgusting and shameful, of course. Though if you are, it's odd that you've been so busy trying to dodge the question.


  • #2926
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    doylefe wrote: »
    Do all your posts consist of leading questions?

    What exactly did he say about his daughter that was ****e? With a situation like that you hope for the best, but plan for the worst.


  • #2927
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    Billy86 wrote: »
    No, just the ones to a) complete hypocrites, and b) obvious trolls. I'm trying to figure out which you are.

    Unless you find the SaveThe8th campaign and most 'no' posters on this thread to be disgusting and shameful, of course. Though if you are, it's odd that you've been so busy trying to dodge the question.

    I don't answer leading questions.


  • #2928
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    doylefe wrote: »
    I don't answer leading questions.
    Well, you just did.

    It'll be interesting to see which way you vote since you find both sides so disgusting.


  • #2929
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,778 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    What he’s describing is unlikely but unlikely isn’t impossible. And gather together all the vulnerable fertile girls and women of the country and it’s suddenly not so insignificant.

    And therein lies the problem with the 8th as a pro life law.

    It's a blunt instrument even for prolifers. It doesn't allow for the myriad of edge cases that arise.

    Take Savita. Pro lifers say that we don't need abortion because if she had received proper care she would have lived. They're half right. She probably would have lived if she had received better care but she didn't get that care and ended up in a situation where she needed a termination. (although most of the people protesting against repeal now were also protesting against the laws brought in after Savita)
    That's another edge case.

    Then there's a woman who's brain dead. Her brain is actually rotting. Yet she's kept alive on an incubator because she's pregnant. That's another edge case.

    Even without the issue of free choice there have been many cases that the 8th just can't handle. It's simply bad. Even from a pro life stance the government need to be able to legislate when these cases arise.
    Women will die because they have been refused the treatment they need because of the 8th.


  • #2930
    Moiratat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 ✭Moiratat


    doylefe wrote: »
    I don't answer leading questions.

    Well maybe you'll answer my question that I have yet to receive an answer to, if you were in my situation what would you have done?
    " I was not in good health, my mind was a toxic place of hatred and depression from my family and boyfriend abusing me. My mother an alcoholic to put it lightly left for weeks on end, leaving me with my baby brother and 3 younger sisters and no food or money. My older sister was never home and if she was she would only abuse us further (my older sister having sexually abused me and them). I "had" my boyfriend at the time, he abused me physically and mentally and it got to a stage where he would rape me and call me a slut or a whore afterwards. I became pregnant. My told my boyfriend and he tried to kill my baby by beating me, by forcing me to drink alcohol and many other ways, his family were stern Catholics. To me I wanted my baby, I wanted to be able to keep him or her and love them ,I still do love them but I had to look after my siblings which I couldn't do if my mother kicked me out which she would have. And I would have liked to have given my baby the best life possible and couldn't if I was kicked out and even at that point my baby could've been seriously hurt. My boyfriend threatened me that if I did not go to England he would kill me. So I did and I miss my baby terribly but I had to do what I did. Am I a murderer because of it or a killer? Every time I go out and see one of the no posters I want to end my life. I feel so much shame and disgust at myself. I had to leave my home to say goodbye to my baby, because of the eighth. "


  • #2931
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Well, you just did.

    It'll be interesting to see which way you vote since you find both sides so disgusting.

    Oh I'm not voting at all


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  • #2932
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    doylefe wrote: »
    What a load of ****e, and using his daughter like that, should be ashamed of himself.

    I'm embarrassed for him on many levels; regardless of where you stand on the issue that's just one of the most hysterical, sanctimonious, needy things I've ever read.


  • #2933
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    sabat wrote: »
    I'm embarrassed for him on many levels; regardless of where you stand on the issue that's just one of the most hysterical, sanctimonious, needy things I've ever read.
    It's not. In my job we come across raped teenagers and preteens, as well as raped disabled people (and disabled children) and the children that come from that quite often. It is an everyday reality of the 8th amendment.


  • #2934
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    Moiratat wrote: »
    Well maybe you'll answer my question that I have yet to receive an answer to, if you were in my situation what would you have done?
    " I was not in good health, my mind was a toxic place of hatred and depression from my family and boyfriend abusing me. My mother an alcoholic to put it lightly left for weeks on end, leaving me with my baby brother and 3 younger sisters and no food or money. My older sister was never home and if she was she would only abuse us further (my older sister having sexually abused me and them). I "had" my boyfriend at the time, he abused me physically and mentally and it got to a stage where he would rape me and call me a slut or a whore afterwards. I became pregnant. My told my boyfriend and he tried to kill my baby by beating me, by forcing me to drink alcohol and many other ways, his family were stern Catholics. To me I wanted my baby, I wanted to be able to keep him or her and love them ,I still do love them but I had to look after my siblings which I couldn't do if my mother kicked me out which she would have. And I would have liked to have given my baby the best life possible and couldn't if I was kicked out and even at that point my baby could've been seriously hurt. My boyfriend threatened me that if I did not go to England he would kill me. So I did and I miss my baby terribly but I had to do what I did. Am I a murderer because of it or a killer? Every time I go out and see one of the no posters I want to end my life. I feel so much shame and disgust at myself. I had to leave my home to say goodbye to my baby, because of the eighth. "

    Story makes no sense. You wanted to keep the baby so are backing a vote which would have made it more convenient for you to get rid of the baby?


  • #2935
    pleas advice
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    No, a human being being created at the moment of conception is outlandish hyperbole...

    or just basic biology...?


  • #2936
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    Billy86 wrote: »
    It's not. In my job we come across raped teenagers and preteens, as well as raped disabled people (and disabled children) and the children that come from that quite often. It is an everyday reality of the 8th amendment.

    Would he talk about her like that if she was an non-autistic 11 or 12 year old? Remember he's using his real name and everyone he knows will be reading that. The whole thing is just tasteless and, ironically, bordering on abusive.


  • #2937
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    sabat wrote: »
    Would he talk about her like that if she was an non-autistic 11 or 12 year old? Remember he's using his real name and everyone he knows will be reading that. The whole thing is just tasteless and, ironically, bordering on abusive.
    Of course not, because if she were not quite heavily autistic then she would be in a position when she grows up to make her own decisions on that kind of thing. I have a sister in her mid 30s with serious mental disabilities, and no there is no way she could be deemed to have the capacity to consent to sex, and her having to deal with a pregnancy would cause serious long term, psychological damage.


  • #2938
    The Legend Of Kira
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    This referendum is bringing out nastiness in some people, like many I,ve walked past people wearing repeal the 8th or save the 8th t shirts I don,t go confronting them I just walk past them as I do any other stranger in the street, I think the woman in the video was outa order- saying that as a no voter btw.

    https://twitter.com/AnaCosgrave/status/993922984288059398


  • #2939
    Moiratat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 ✭Moiratat


    doylefe wrote: »
    Story makes no sense. You wanted to keep the baby so are backing a vote which would have made it more convenient for you to get rid of the baby?

    I wanted to keep the baby in an ideal world, I would have. But I couldn't bring a child into a "relationship" with an abusive rapist man nor could I have kept the baby and continued to raise my siblings. You did not answer my question.

    Also the decision I made was in no way a convenience to me nor would it have been any more a convenience if the services were available in this country, but it would have been far more comforting to not be shamed and degraded as this country forces women who make that choice be.


  • #2940
    GritBiscuit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭GritBiscuit


    doylefe wrote: »
    Story makes no sense. You wanted to keep the baby so are backing a vote which would have made it more convenient for you to get rid of the baby?

    Read "In her shoes"...there are many women who have similar stories to Moiratat. A ban on abortion and particularly the right wing conservatism that drives it creates an atmosphere of shame...of disgust. It creates laundries and mass graves. It creates pain and panic - financial hardship and family disgrace. Backing a Yes vote is acknowledging the current system of turning backs on vulnerable women while enshrining export to the point it has even grown into a colloquial euphemism is broken and has failed too many...Moiratat included.
    sabat wrote: »
    Would he talk about her like that if she was an non-autistic 11 or 12 year old? Remember he's using his real name and everyone he knows will be reading that. The whole thing is just tasteless and, ironically, bordering on abusive.

    She is non-verbal and highly dependant. He is her voice - her advocat. Do you think people want to share their stories of abortion, of miscarriage, of devastating FFA diagnosis? People like Aidan Comerford have to be graphic and honest because otherwise they get called liars...they have to tell their stories so the electorate hear something human, in the grey, above the blinkered monochrome chants of "baby murders" and "the slappers should just keep their knees together"...


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  • #2941
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    GritBiscuit wrote: »
    .......

    She is non-verbal and highly dependant. He is her voice - her advocat. .........


    and we've seen what can happen non-verbal and highly dependant people



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