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2,000 Guineas Newmarket 5-05-2018

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  • Registered Users Posts: 823 ✭✭✭Kauto


    antietam wrote: »
    How in the name of god could the most overrated stallion in history [by the Brits] sire a Guineas winner, Frankel is akin to Scorpion one good one and the English **** themselves.If Elarqam is anywhere good enough I know nothing about racing,big time.I promise never ever to post again if this Elarqum wins.

    Come on 2 fu ck Elarqum!
    Most of them look to be hot alright.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    Might chance Roaring Lion each way. Looks a bit of value to me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭jj mac


    Going with Saxon Warrior because you can be pretty sure he will stay the mile very well whereas some are unproven over the distance. If this turns into a battle in the last furlongs his stamina and toughness could see him home.
    Best of luck to all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    Masar the new favourite.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    I have a bet on Nebo at 186.
    He is 106 days younger than the oldest in the race, Saxon Warrior.
    Nebo led many races last year but was passed in the last few furlongs.
    Perhaps he might be stronger now he is a 3yo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭kiers47


    You won't see many better losing rides than James Doyle's there.
    He's riding out of his skin at the moment.

    Winner looks good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    kiers47 wrote: »
    You won't see many better losing rides than James Doyle's there.
    He's riding out of his skin at the moment.

    Winner looks good.
    I thought the winner looked a bit one paced today when the race quickened up and his superior form and staying power allowed him to eventually get away from the field.

    I'd like to see Defoe go the Cup route.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭Mgoraf


    Yeah Defoe hit a big flat spot today. He could be excellent over 2 mile.

    Those pundits are very hard to listen to, calling for him to be supplemented for the coronation cup to take on enable. Enable would beat him by a furlong over a mile and a half.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,651 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    James Garfield 25-1 for me

    I like this EW with PP at 25-1 and 4 places. It's got a lot of fight in it.
    Hoping it can contest it .


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭kiers47


    tryfix wrote: »
    I thought the winner looked a bit one paced today when the race quickened up and his superior form and staying power allowed him to eventually get away from the field.

    I'd like to see Defoe go the Cup route.

    It looked like he didn't particularly love the track and downhill section.
    He probably has a fair bit to find with the top middle distance horses but he could win a group 1 if either enable or cracksman stayed at home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    Derby winner, pissed in!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    Well done Kiers :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 823 ✭✭✭Kauto


    Printing money laying these Godolphin yokes in the top races. Will go backwards from here


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    Tip Two Win was 143.36 Betfair starting price


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    Saxon Warrior was the oldest horse in the race, Tip Two Win was the youngest, 116 days between them.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭kiers47


    Slattsy wrote: »
    Well done Kiers :)

    Cheers Slattsy. He done it nicely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭BoroMan32


    Extremely impressive performance.

    Tanked through the race and hit the front about a furlong too soon. Class act.


  • Registered Users Posts: 823 ✭✭✭Kauto


    diomed wrote: »
    Saxon Warrior was the oldest horse in the race, Tip Two Win was the youngest, 116 days between them.

    Will be the closest the second will ever get to him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,835 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    diomed wrote: »
    Saxon Warrior was the oldest horse in the race, Tip Two Win was the youngest, 116 days between them.
    The record for May born horses for this race is horrific.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    That Saxon Warrior is a classy beast who looks something like a Nijinsky without the precocious speed. Hopefully now we're going to have a vintage year of flat racing.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭paddy no 11


    Trifix et al, has the game dun changed? In terms of deep impact etc someone write a massive post on the stallions thread please


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    I notice the winner of the 17:20 at Newmarket, Symbolization, won that one mile 3yo 0-105 handicap in 1m 36.94s carrying 9-7 "Went right and bumped leaving stalls".
    The horse who finished second, Curiosity, carried 8-9 "Went left and bumped leaving stalls".
    Symbolization is entered in the Irish 2000 Guineas and the St James Palace Stakes. He might be one for the notebook.

    Saxon Warrior won the 2000 Guineas in 1m 36.55 carrying 9-0.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,977 ✭✭✭HandsomeBob


    Kauto wrote: »
    Printing money laying these Godolphin yokes in the top races. Will go backwards from here

    Ain't you just the smartest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    diomed wrote: »
    I notice the winner of the 17:20 at Newmarket, Symbolization, won that one mile 3yo 0-105 handicap in 1m 36.94s carrying 9-7 "Went right and bumped leaving stalls".
    The horse who finished second, Curiosity, carried 8-9 "Went left and bumped leaving stalls".
    Symbolization is entered in the Irish 2000 Guineas and the St James Palace Stakes. He might be one for the notebook.

    Saxon Warrior won the 2000 Guineas in 1m 36.55 carrying 9-0.

    I wonder what O'Brien will send to the Curragh. Normally I'd really be interested in his 2,000 Guineas flop leaving its Newmarket form behind. I don't think Gustav Klimt ran badly enough to put down his performance as a flop so there's not a lot there to work on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    I think Gustav Klimt and Saxon Warrior were both a little short of full fitness.
    That might also apply to most of the field.
    It was strange to give Gustav Klimt a prep run on heavy.

    The runner up had two runs abroad and that could have been a big help to him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,835 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    The only thing that would worry me about opposing Saxon Warrior (other than the fact that I think it might be the best three year old of the season) is that in the last 3 years for the Guineas, all three winners were born in January. Saxon Warrior is the only horse in the field that was born on January, so should have a minor advantage.
    I should really have listened to my own advice.

    The only consolation, is that I have this antepost for the Derby. Before anyone goes aftertime ansell on me, I have been very keen on those horse since last year, I believe I was the first to mention it at all, let alone as being a Derby contender.

    One sure thing out of all this is that horses out of Deep Impact and with Galileo on the damsire side have probably doubled in value as a result of this race.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,172 ✭✭✭NaiveMelodies


    I should really have listened to my own advice.

    The only consolation, is that I have this antepost for the Derby. Before anyone goes aftertime ansell on me, I have been very keen on those horse since last year, I believe I was the first to mention it at all, let alone as being a Derby contender.

    One sure thing out of all this is that horses out of Deep Impact and with Galileo on the damsire side have probably doubled in value as a result of this race.

    Didnt mention backing him once. You are an embarassment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    tryfix wrote: »
    I wonder what O'Brien will send to the Curragh. Normally I'd really be interested in his 2,000 Guineas flop leaving its Newmarket form behind. I don't think Gustav Klimt ran badly enough to put down his performance as a flop so there's not a lot there to work on.
    I want to see the €1.4 million Walk In The Sun (Jeremy Noseda) run.
    That was his target but my guess is it will miss the race.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    diomed wrote: »
    I want to see the €1.4 million Walk In The Sun (Jeremy Noseda) run.
    That was his target but my guess is it will miss the race.

    He's an interesting one, but it's unlikely that he's going to progress quickly enough to be troubling the judge in Gp1 races.

    We were talking about Gustav Klimt yesterday and it struck me that he looks and runs a lot like Mars ( an old boards favourite to laugh at, remember the Mars, Mars, Mars thread ). A quirky horse without a trip who was always threatening to win a big one but who could never get beyond placing in the big ones.

    Gustav is a full brother to Mars, if we'd absorbed that before the 2,000 Guineas then we'd have been prepared for his performance. It also puts him in with a chance of making it to Epsom where his brother ran well.


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