8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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wexie · 03-05-2018 04:31PM

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Despite what they would like you to believe civility and empathy aren't exactly strong points of most people in the 'pro life*' camp.

*feckin hate calling it that, they are not pro life, they are anti choice is what they are

Moiratat · 03-05-2018 04:31PM

I am very genuinely unsure of how I will cope with things if the no side wins, I don't feel like I can live in a country that implies I am a criminal and a child killer. The referendum has made it hard to just go outside. The mere thought of the no side winning shuts my mind down, to know that my country and my people essentially hate me turns my stomach. I have been barely holding together and no winning is the push off the edge, that I just cannot take.

reubenreuben · 03-05-2018 04:33PM

AnneFrank wrote: »

You can bring a horse to water buddy, but you can't make it drink.

Who actually uses the term 'buddy' in ireland?

Maybe 'Muppet' instead

wexie · 03-05-2018 04:34PM

Moiratat wrote: »

I am very genuinely unsure of how I will cope with things if the no side wins, I don't feel like I can live in a country that implies I am a criminal and a child killer. The referendum has made it hard to just go outside. The mere thought of the no side winning shuts my mind down, to know that my country and my people essentially hate me turns my stomach. I have been barely holding together and no winning is the push off the edge, that I just cannot take.

If it comes to that (personally I don't think it will) then you should be secure in the fact that it's only a really very small majority. And on top of that have a look at the kind of people you're talking about, the kind of comments on here and elsewhere, the kind of sentiments expressed....

Are those really people you should have to worry about?

SusieBlue · 03-05-2018 04:36PM

AnneFrank wrote: »

You can bring a horse to water buddy, but you can't make it drink.

A bit like how I just showed you the posts where you mocked someones way of dealing with a miscarriage, and you're still denying it.

BabysCoffee · 03-05-2018 04:37PM

Moiratat wrote: »

I am very genuinely unsure of how I will cope with things if the no side wins, I don't feel like I can live in a country that implies I am a criminal and a child killer. The referendum has made it hard to just go outside. The mere thought of the no side winning shuts my mind down, to know that my country and my people essentially hate me turns my stomach. I have been barely holding together and no winning is the push off the edge, that I just cannot take.

Stay strong Moiratat. Compassion will win out.
Take heart in the 91yr old man asking for a Yes badge that Sligo for Yes posted about.
Or take heart in all of the students for Yes registering to vote over the last couple of days.
And finally, mind yourself. Please check in with Psychs for Choice on Social Media who give lots of advice to cope through this time leading up to the referendum

gmisk · 03-05-2018 04:50PM

Moiratat wrote: »

I am very genuinely unsure of how I will cope with things if the no side wins, I don't feel like I can live in a country that implies I am a criminal and a child killer. The referendum has made it hard to just go outside. The mere thought of the no side winning shuts my mind down, to know that my country and my people essentially hate me turns my stomach. I have been barely holding together and no winning is the push off the edge, that I just cannot take.

I felt very similar when it came to the marriage referendum....it will be alright in the end... So chin up

I think this referendum will change Ireland for the better as did the marriage one in my opinion

uptherebels · 03-05-2018 04:50PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I'm guessing you mean lots of pro-lifers got shouted down. In reality they got asked to back up their "facts" with evidence or people pointed out the hypocrisy of their beliefs or they were the reasoning behind their opinions. They couldn't cope with this and instead fell back on babies, human, killing. And repeat. And repeat. And repeat.

Having your argument torn to pieces by the truth isn't being "shouted down".

Couldn't have put it better

Sofiztikated · 03-05-2018 04:51PM

Moiratat wrote: »

I am very genuinely unsure of how I will cope with things if the no side wins, I don't feel like I can live in a country that implies I am a criminal and a child killer. The referendum has made it hard to just go outside. The mere thought of the no side winning shuts my mind down, to know that my country and my people essentially hate me turns my stomach. I have been barely holding together and no winning is the push off the edge, that I just cannot take.

I know it's not much, but the vast majority, come the end of May, will have forgotten about it.

Until it affects them.

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Sofiztikated · 03-05-2018 04:59PM

Save the 8th campaigners were in Cavan Institute today.

I was talking to one of the tutors, and 3 of them stood around us, and started talking over us.

Regardless of the message, it was a touch rude.

AtomicHorror · 03-05-2018 04:59PM

AnneFrank wrote: »

I shall Susie, but again this really is only proving my point.
love both

"Both" being the unborn and yourself, is it?

What love did you show for the poster whose partner miscarried?

January · 03-05-2018 05:01PM

AnneFrank wrote: »

You can bring a horse to water buddy, but you can't make it drink.

When a rat is backed into a corner it goes for the neck, when AnneFrank is backed into a corner she starts using 'buddy' and 'pal' aggressively and talks about irony but doesn't actually know the definition of it.

reubenreuben · 03-05-2018 05:05PM

January wrote: »

When a rat is backed into a corner it goes for the neck, when AnneFrank is backed into a corner she starts using 'buddy' and 'pal' aggressively and talks about irony but doesn't actually know the definition of it.

I wonder why they don't understand 'irony'

January · 03-05-2018 05:20PM

Radical Queers Resist are currently covering over the pictures at the rotunda using pride flags and a dust sheet.

Well done to them.

SusieBlue · 03-05-2018 05:25PM

January wrote: »

Radical Queers Resist are currently covering over the pictures at the rotunda using pride flags and a dust sheet.

Well done to them.

Just saw the statement from the Rotunda. Absolutely disgraceful that they were specifically asked not to protest there out of respect to the patients and they wilfully ignored the request.
Total lack of respect and ignorance.

Fair play to Radical Queers for doing their bit to help.

wes · 03-05-2018 05:28PM

The big thing that convinced more than anything else, was the pro life sides stance toward rape victims. Forcing Women to carry there rapists baby is pure evil imo, which is the situation we have right now.

There are of course plenty of other good reasons for appealing the 8th amendment, but the above reason is a big one in my mind.

gmisk · 03-05-2018 05:30PM

Just on henry Street... The folks from Rosa seem to be getting a great reception.. Lovely to see

reubenreuben · 03-05-2018 05:32PM

wes wrote: »

The big thing that convinced more than anything else, was the pro life sides stance toward rape victims. Forcing Women to carry there rapists baby is pure evil imo, which is the situation we have right now.

There are of course plenty of other good reasons for appealing the 8th amendment, but the above reason is a big one in my mind.

It just shows how backward the no campaign are

BabysCoffee · 03-05-2018 05:34PM

wes wrote: »

The big thing that convinced more than anything else, was the pro life sides stance toward rape victims. Forcing Women to carry there rapists baby is pure evil imo, which is the situation we have right now.

There are of course plenty of other good reasons for appealing the 8th amendment, but the above reason is a big one in my mind.

I agree. Woman need to choose whether to continue a pregnancy due to rape.

Imagine a horror scenario where women are forced to stay pregnant and then rapists may have parental rights https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/17/health/parental-rights-rapists-explainer/index.html

Shadowstrife · 03-05-2018 05:38PM

reubenreuben wrote: »

It just shows how backward the no campaign are

Backward in viewpoint, but politically canny,with just enough shrewdness to win this.

Repeal are circling the drain at the moment, dropping the ball in strategic gains week after week

robarmstrong · 03-05-2018 05:43PM

Shadowstrife wrote: »

Backward in viewpoint, but politically canny,with just enough shrewdness to win this.

Repeal are circling the drain at the moment, dropping the ball in strategic gains week after week

Shrewdness? Really?

You'd call standing outside maternity hospitals where women either having babies/suffering a miscarriage/carrying a stillborn baby inside them with pictures of aborted/dead fetuses is the pro-life side having enough "shrewdness" to win this?

NuMarvel · 03-05-2018 05:44PM

Shadowstrife wrote: »

Backward in viewpoint, but politically canny,with just enough shrewdness to win this.

Repeal are circling the drain at the moment, dropping the ball in strategic gains week after week

So you're saying that not getting any support beyond their core base is part of the No campaign's strategy??

That's certainly a novel way to try to win a referendum, I'll grant you that.

03-05-2018 05:50PM

wes wrote: »

The big thing that convinced more than anything else, was the pro life sides stance toward rape victims. Forcing Women to carry there rapists baby is pure evil imo, which is the situation we have right now.

There are of course plenty of other good reasons for appealing the 8th amendment, but the above reason is a big one in my mind.

Agree completely it's one of the main reasons I'm voting repeal, however such victims are being used as a happy convenience by repeal according to some pro life posters on here. In my mind such statements show more support for the rapist than their victim.

joe40 · 03-05-2018 05:52PM

I think this vote will be very close. In the marriage referendum the no side had virtually zero public support, every political party campaigned for a yes vote and the church stayed largely quiet. The no side still managed to muster nearly 40%.
In this case plenty of TD have come out publicly in favour of a No vote, and they wouldn't do that unless they felt that view was largely supported in their constituency. They always have one eye on the next election and they know that this issue will be remembered. They're not just following their conscience, they're trying to gauge public opinion in their area.

Just to show the strength of feeling this topic generates, In the north sinn fein are supporting the introduction of abortion, and there are some catholic groups calling on people to vote DUP in response

I hope I'm wrong, but Ireland still has a strong conservative streak.

Shadowstrife · 03-05-2018 05:52PM

Shrewdness? Really?

You'd call standing outside maternity hospitals where women either having babies/suffering a miscarriage/carrying a stillborn baby inside them with pictures of aborted/dead fetuses is the pro-life side having enough "shrewdness" to win this?

^^ I'm on the 'Yes' side, but I can still criticize the Yes campaign and praise the sheer balls of the 'No' zealots.

You think over half of Fianna Fail TD's are voting No for 'moral' reasons? Hell no. They see which way the wind is blowing and are jockeying for poll position once the current government topples.

And the placard wielders outside the maternity hospitals aren't with the actual No campaign. Having said that, 'No' haven't denounced them strongly enough

Shadowstrife · 03-05-2018 05:55PM

^ Also, based on what Ive seen canvassing this past month, the Silent No vote will turn out in huge numbers on the 25th.

So many silent voters.

robarmstrong · 03-05-2018 05:57PM

Shadowstrife wrote: »

^^ I'm on the 'Yes' side, but I can still criticize the Yes campaign and praise the sheer balls of the 'No' zealots.

You think over half of Fianna Fail TD's are voting No for 'moral' reasons? Hell no. They see which way the wind is blowing and are jockeying for poll position once the current government topples.

And the placard wielders outside the maternity hospitals aren't with the actual No campaign. Having said that, 'No' haven't denounced them strongly enough

Praise the sheer balls of them?

There was no balls about it, it was a horrible, stupid, cretinous thing to do that was thought up by people who don't give a bollocks who they upset, where they upset and how they upset.

It's been proven they are with the actual No campaign.

Criticizing the Yes campaign is fair enough, but praising these "zealots" for their "sheer balls"? Ridiculous statement to make.

reubenreuben · 03-05-2018 05:58PM

Shadowstrife wrote: »

^ Also, based on what Ive seen canvassing this past month, the Silent No vote will turn out in huge numbers on the 25th.

So many silent voters.

Silent but deadly then?

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