8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

gmisk

I don't think No have been above 30 percent in any of the polls?
... but there are big wedge of undecideds...it is hugely encouraging to see so many young people registering to vote that should help. I think it will be closer than the marriage ref... But fingers crossed!

Shadowstrife

robarmstrong wrote: »

Praise the sheer balls of them?


Criticizing the Yes campaign is fair enough, but praising these "zealots" for their "sheer balls"? Ridiculous statement to make.

I was never praising placard wielders, it was you who brought them up.They indeed deserve all the scorn that we can send them.

But the FF TD's backing 'No', the Loveboth loonies with clever slogans, Social Media adspace dominance & killer timing, are showing up the Yes campaign for outright complacency.

Fair enough, maybe 'praise' is a word too far. I'll walk that back.
But If 'Yes' loses, I'd concede that the 'No' side ran a brutally efficient campaign. This is about winning, political campaigns are always about winning. Common human decency is always a casualty in these things, it was in 1983, it will be again this month.

Loveboth don't care how they win, as long as they win. They'll employ all the shock tactics they need in order to achieve a win. This is something to be feared and appreciated by those who want to WIN.

January

It's not complacency. It's funding.

The Yes campaign just don't have the same funds as the No campaign and this is why we're seeing facebook ad's, you tube videos etc from them. The Yes side just cannot afford to run that type of campaign.

Shadowstrife

^ Then why start fundraising so late in the game? They should have been ready to go from the get-go.

gmisk

January wrote: »

It's not complacency. It's funding.

The Yes campaign just don't have the same funds as the No campaign and this is why we're seeing facebook ad's, you tube videos etc from them. The Yes side just cannot afford to run that type of campaign.

I tend to agree... But it was probably similar with the marriage ref I would think?
The 500k plus would go pretty quick given the posters flyers etc.

There is a brilliant grass roots campaign of small fundraising events all round the country which is terrific to see, hopefully those really help with funds.

reubenreuben

January wrote: »

It's not complacency. It's funding.

The Yes campaign just don't have the same funds as the No campaign and this is why we're seeing facebook ad's, you tube videos etc from them. The Yes side just cannot afford to run that type of campaign.

Very true, and when you see the 'no' posters saying buddy and pal, then you know its all coming from the states.

Bubbaclaus

What's the rule about taking down illegal posters? Loads went up the last 2 days in my local area with fake info on them and no details as who is putting them up. Presumably ripping them down would be fine since they aren't valid to begin with?

January

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

What's the rule about taking down illegal posters? Loads went up the last 2 days in my local area with fake info on them and no details as who is putting them up. Presumably ripping them down would be fine since they aren't valid to begin with?

Nope, don't rip them down, report to your local council.

Bubbaclaus

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

What's the rule about taking down illegal posters? Loads went up the last 2 days in my local area with fake info on them and no details as who is putting them up. Presumably ripping them down would be fine since they aren't valid to begin with?

Not if on ESB poles, shouldn't be there in the first place but it's also not permitted for you to take them down either for safety reasons.

Get onto your local council, esb what ever to have them removed, might take a daily call/email however to get their attention and action.

Zubeneschamali

Shadowstrife wrote: »

Backward in viewpoint, but politically canny,with just enough shrewdness to win this.

Shrewdly staying below 30% to lull us into a false sense of security and then BAM! they lose.

Shrewd my hole, they have gained no ground since January.

Yes vote has softened a bit under a barrage of baby murder accusations, to be expected. Yes wins 55-45 on the day.

wexie

January wrote: »

Nope, don't rip them down, report to your local council.

Would they actually do anything in time for it to make a difference though?
I'd imagine they're likely to send someone around to come have a look at the posters sometime in mid July.

Shadowstrife

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Shrewdly staying below 30% to lull us into a false sense of security and then BAM! they lose.

Shrewd my hole, they have gained no ground since January.

Yes vote has softened a bit under a barrage of baby murder accusations, to be expected. Yes wins 55-45 on the day.

Nah you see so many undecided people will not publicly voice how they really feel, and that's why Yes will probably lose this one. It's an uncomfortable truth, the undecided silent voters have been given a shaky answer as to what happens if Yes wins.

Why? Because governments come and go. I want Yes to win obviously, but are we giving the undecided/ questioning voters a real reason to vote with us?

NuMarvel

Shadowstrife wrote: »

^ Then why start fundraising so late in the game? They should have been ready to go from the get-go.

They pretty much were ready from the get-go. But the No campaign were always going to have a head start, because the No campaign was always going to campaign for a No, regardless of what was on the ballot paper. Yes didn't have that luxury, and it really was only last month, after the Supreme Court judgement that they could be certain of the question.

NuMarvel

Looking at all the pictures of students in schools and college getting registered to vote gives me hope!

https://twitter.com/ratoathcollege/status/989500302893244422

https://twitter.com/ronanlyons/status/991299463284248577

https://twitter.com/StudyArtsUL/status/991666333602451457



And fair dues to this man for doing his bit to guarantee some Yes votes

https://twitter.com/sayshha/status/991329818225664000

Shadowstrife

Lol, I find it funny how the auld guy crying for his free speech is offended by other peoples free speech.

Irony, totally lost on him

joe40

NuMarvel wrote: »

Shadowstrife wrote: »

^ Then why start fundraising so late in the game? They should have been ready to go from the get-go.

They pretty much were ready from the get-go. But the No campaign were always going to have a head start, because the No campaign was always going to campaign for a No, regardless of what was on the ballot paper. Yes didn't have that luxury, and it really was only last month, after the Supreme Court judgement that they could be certain of the question.

I Wonder how much of an impact the actual campaigns will, ie posters etc. The more important areas will be the media debates especially getting closer to polling day. Obviously it is impossible to quantify exactly the impact of campaigns, but in the various debates I have heard the yes side are quite good.

smokingman

A real actual doctors view on the No posters...surprise, there's loads of lies on the posters...shock horror, never saw that coming...
https://www.facebook.com/pushpullcollective/videos/352383505283110/

erica74

January wrote: »

It's not complacency. It's funding.

The Yes campaign just don't have the same funds as the No campaign and this is why we're seeing facebook ad's, you tube videos etc from them. The Yes side just cannot afford to run that type of campaign.

I passed an empty shop in New Ross today which has recently been taken over by an antichoice group, lots of LoveBoth posters in the window and lots of posters and literature in the shop itself. There were people going in and out picking up leaflets and chatting with the women running the place.
I don't understand how everyone isn't questioning the source of the money the No side is being run on. The sheer volume of posters, people handing out leaflets in town centres, people standing around towns with massive posters, properly organised large scale places like what I saw today. Where do people think that money is coming from?!

wexie

NuMarvel wrote: »

And fair dues to this man for doing his bit to guarantee some Yes votes

Seems to be fairly typical of the level of debate I've seen on the no side so far...
That's definitely going to go over well with the average student

reubenreuben

wexie wrote: »

Seems to be fairly typical of the level of debate I've seen on the no side so far...
That's definitely going to go over well with the average student

He was definitely a dinosaur and we know what happened to them

Shadowstrife

joe40 wrote: »

I Wonder how much of an impact the actual campaigns will, ie posters etc. The more important areas will be the media debates especially getting closer to polling day. Obviously it is impossible to quantify exactly the impact of campaigns, but in the various debates I have heard the yes side are quite good.

The Air War, shock and awe tactics are to come

gmisk

reubenreuben wrote: »

He was definitely a dinosaur and we know what happened to them

They were brought back using Dino blood from mosquitoes!?!
We are doomed!!!

The yes side have been terrific in any debates I have seen and heard... They were terrific on the late late

Zubeneschamali

Shadowstrife wrote: »

Nah you see so many undecided people will not publicly voice how they really feel, and that's why Yes will probably lose this one.

People who express an intention are 2:1 Yes. Undecideds who express a lean are 2:1 yes. No stuck below 30% since January, 4 months of campaigning for nothing. 80% of those saying Yes or No in a poll say they are extremely unlikely to change. 85% of those surveyed understand the 12 week proposal, so banging on as if it is shocking is not doing the No campaign any good.

They need a game-changer, but this is a very old game, we all know the rules.

Zubeneschamali

joe40 wrote: »

The more important areas will be the media debates especially getting closer to polling day.

I think debates will have about the same effect as the posters campaigns - Yes look reasonable if boring, No are fascinating in a horrifying way.

The Legend Of Kira

erica74 wrote: »

January wrote: »

It's not complacency. It's funding.

The Yes campaign just don't have the same funds as the No campaign and this is why we're seeing facebook ad's, you tube videos etc from them. The Yes side just cannot afford to run that type of campaign.

I passed an empty shop in New Ross today which has recently been taken over by an antichoice group, lots of LoveBoth posters in the window and lots of posters and literature in the shop itself. There were people going in and out picking up leaflets and chatting with the women running the place.
I don't understand how everyone isn't questioning the source of the money the No side is being run on. The sheer volume of posters, people handing out leaflets in town centres, people standing around towns with massive posters, properly organised large scale places like what I saw today. Where do people think that money is coming from?!

This would be the shop that you re referring to.

Shadowstrife

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I think debates will have about the same effect as the posters campaigns - Yes look reasonable if boring, No are fascinating in a horrifying way.

No doubt the 'No' side will sex it up with Maria Steen or some uber-attractive Iona person.

Zubeneschamali

Why does the GP in the heartbeat poster look like she is wearing her grannies clothes?

conorhal

If anybody didn't already think SF were the opportunistic self promoter's party, you only have to look at the plethora of heavily photoshopped Mary Lou posters around the town.
Sinn Fein, never missing an opportunity to campaign and self promote on the corpses of others it seems.

Disgusting.

Shadowstrife

Why is that building above protesting it's 'To Let' status? We need justice for the To Let building!

Shadowstrife

conorhal wrote: »

If anybody didn't think SF were the opportunistic self promoter's party you only have to look at the plethora of photoshopped Mary Lou posters, Sinn Fein, never missing an opportunity to campaign on corpses of others it see.

Disgusting.

Political footie. Let's have a kick-about