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Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭babyjesus14


    Spoilsports have Kilkenny priced up at 9/4 for next Sunday. What an absolute insult!! Whether they will actually take a bet is another thing, more than likely not!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭Pigeon Chaser


    Great performance today. To put up that sort of a score in wexford park is phenomenal.

    Heroic performances throughout. Ends Morrissey the pick of the backs.

    Buckley is so composed too. Paddy Dream a bit headless at times but you can't dislike him.

    Very intelligent use of the ball and short puck out in the second half.

    Leahy was fantastic in midfield.

    TJ was his usual self. Almost flawless.

    Very impressed with Mossy Keoghan too.

    Great desire shown by everybody. Great to have a national final on Nowlan Park too.


    We are miles ahead of where we were last year. We are using the ball very intelligently.


    Finally, as the leagues draw to a close, it must be said, TG4 are absolute heroes for their sports coverage and their product continues to improve. It's a shame they will be taking a back seat again until club county finals come around.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭Powerhouse


    Spoilsports have Kilkenny priced up at 9/4 for next Sunday. What an absolute insult!! Whether they will actually take a bet is another thing, more than likely not!!

    Why do you think it's an insult?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭babyjesus14


    Be curious to hear other posters experiences down there today. Thought the organisation both at and outside the ground was shocking!

    Very few stewards outside to advise supporters. At the side of the ground we were entering there was no signage to indicate which gate for season tickets. There was four styles but only three open and when we got to the styles realised why it was so slow because the two guys in the ticket office were also operating the styles on each side of them.

    Then afterwards not a guard to be seen directing traffic. The part of the county we live in the usual travel time to Wexford would be an hour obviously you have to allow a bit extra for match day traffic but it tooks us three hours to get home. Piss up and brewery spring to mind. Thank f*** we won!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭babyjesus14


    Powerhouse wrote: »
    Why do you think it's an insult?

    They haven't won in the Park in 10 years!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭Cornerback1


    laneykin wrote: »
    Any word on who got man of the match?
    KCLR - Taggy Fogarty gave it to Buckley. Said he couldn't give it to T.J. every game...lol.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,066 ✭✭✭kksaints


    Be curious to hear other posters experiences down there today. Thought the organisation both at and outside the ground was shocking!

    Very few stewards outside to advise supporters. At the side of the ground we were entering there was no signage to indicate which gate for season tickets. There was four styles but only three open and when we got to the styles realised why it was so slow because the two guys in the ticket office were also operating the styles on each side of them.

    Then afterwards not a guard to be seen directing traffic. The part of the county we live in the usual travel time to Wexford would be an hour obviously you have to allow a bit extra for match day traffic but it tooks us three hours to get home. Piss up and brewery spring to mind. Thank f*** we won!

    Would agree with this. There was no reason the turnstiles at the main stand couldn't have been left open to let people into the terrace at the town end instead of forcing everyone into a big queue for only three turnstiles for the concrete slabs and the terrace. Lack of stewards and barriers to break up the queues was very obvious.

    Also seemed that the uncovered "seating area" got overfull due to the people who just before throw in had to move across the pitch to get to the terrace behind the goal. I've been to a few matches there recently and tbh the grounds a dump and not very spectator friendly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 731 ✭✭✭dubcat51


    Main thing is these lads are showing the spirit and work rate associated with kk teams.you xant ask anymore of your team than total commitment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    They haven't won in the Park in 10 years!

    You'd imagine it should be tight and exciting as always and won't be much in it.
    Tipp are experimenting and will be minus a few big names but the two teams who have changed their teams alot week to week now find themselves in the final.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭Powerhouse


    They haven't won in the Park in 10 years!

    You have a short memory. Wexford hadn't won in the park for was it 60 years? until last year's League. They hadn't beaten Kilkenny at all in the championship since 2004 and did so last year. Waterford hadn't beaten Kilkenny since 1959 until last year. What happened or didn't happen years ago is irrelevant.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭danganabu


    Powerhouse wrote: »
    You have a short memory. Wexford hadn't won in the park for was it 60 years? until last year's League. They hadn't beaten Kilkenny at all in the championship since 2004 and did so last year. Waterford hadn't beaten Kilkenny since 1959 until last year. What happened or didn't happen years ago is irrelevant.

    Do you ever take a day off?? You would start a row in an empty cemetery :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭babyjesus14


    Powerhouse wrote: »
    You have a short memory. Wexford hadn't won in the park for was it 60 years? until last year's League. They hadn't beaten Kilkenny at all in the championship since 2004 and did so last year. Waterford hadn't beaten Kilkenny since 1959 until last year. What happened or didn't happen years ago is irrelevant.

    What happened or didn't happen recently is irrelevant in analysing what might happen in the future? Well that is certainly a novel approach! So how exactly do you analyse the possible outcome of future events?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭HughCassidy


    KCLR - Taggy Fogarty gave it to Buckley. Said he couldn't give it to T.J. every game...lol.

    Buckley played a captains role to day, also pleased with Sheehan Deveraux was giving it to him he gave as good as he got it was also good to see C Fogarty in good form when he came on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭Powerhouse


    What happened or didn't happen recently is irrelevant in analysing what might happen in the future? Well that is certainly a novel approach! So how exactly do you analyse the possible outcome of future events?


    If by "future events" you mean the outcome of a hurling match in a week's time, I'd have thought that current form, injuries and likely lineouts would be more relevant than what happened in 2009 or 2010. In the same way that I'd have expected people in assessing the likely outcome of Wexford-Kilkenny today to concern themselves more with current form than what happened between the teams in 2011 or 1942. But I'm probably wrong and I'm sure you are right. Sure I'm only trying to start a row anyway. Better that we all think exactly the same.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭Powerhouse


    What happened or didn't happen recently is irrelevant in analysing what might happen in the future? Well that is certainly a novel approach! So how exactly do you analyse the possible outcome of future events?


    Just realised that you said "What happened or didn't happen recently is irrelevant in analysing what might happen in the future?

    Didn't spot that the first time. If you can point out where I said that then I might deal with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,103 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Powerhouse wrote: »
    Sure I'm only trying to start a row anyway.
    Yeah you're right that's a ridiculous notion. Everyone else on this thread is wrong about that and you're the only reasonable one here.

    Enjoyed the performance today, thought some players like aylward are still struggling with finishing but some performances like Leahy, Donnelly, Sheehan, were very impressive in the face of some seriously tough defending. Not time to start crowning anyone but the Cody Out klaxons have gone quiet again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Topcat32


    9/4 is a pretty genorous price given that Kilkenny are playing at home and have beaten Tipp in Nowlan Park in the last few months.

    Kilkenny are 13/8 with Paddy Power which seems to reflect our chances more accurately. I don't have any problem with Tipp being favourites but I'd be confident that we will put up a good performance next weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭babyjesus14


    Powerhouse wrote: »
    Just realised that you said "What happened or didn't happen recently is irrelevant in analysing what might happen in the future?

    Didn't spot that the first time. If you can point out where I said that then I might deal with it.

    I pointed out that they haven't won in Nowlan Park in 10 years including a month ago. Is that not "current " enough for you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭Powerhouse


    I pointed out that they haven't won in Nowlan Park in 10 years including a month ago. Is that not "current " enough for you?


    No, what happened 8/9 years ago is not current.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    Powerhouse wrote: »
    No, what happened 8/9 years ago is not current.

    Oh Jesus wept, let it go will ya.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭Powerhouse


    Topcat32 wrote: »
    9/4 is a pretty genorous price given that Kilkenny are playing at home and have beaten Tipp in Nowlan Park in the last few months.

    Kilkenny are 13/8 with Paddy Power which seems to reflect our chances more accurately. I don't have any problem with Tipp being favourites but I'd be confident that we will put up a good performance next weekend.

    I think Kilkenny beating Tipperary a month ago by just a point is not significant in guessing the outcome of the game. As Brian Cody said today a few of these games could have gone either way. I can't comment on bookies' odds at all but I am confident Kilkenny will win based on the semi final performances and the amount of players Tipperary still don't have especially up front. If Tipperary keep hitting high ball into the Kilkenny backs as they did with Limerick they could get a good beating.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭piuswal


    Not working for me for some reason.  Does it not work in the 6 counties maybe???

    Can you use the Hola extension?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    An interesting little over heard conversation in Wexford today, two older Wexford men in the stand were giving out about Davy and his methods and more so the cost, which they put at €110,000 per annum to Davy Fitz personally. I wonder is the shine starting to tarnish a little down there? I'm sure it's not any better after today.

    We also heard the announcement for the sale of "Cairde Loch Gorman" today before the match. For €25 you get to purchase tickets 24 hrs before they go on general release and some discounts from sponsors, I think. Is this not just a supporters club? 24hr availability is not really important except for perhaps 1 to 2 championship games each year, which Wexford won't be in if they keep playing like that. As a friend of mine pointed out, if they just sell 4400 Cairde subscriptions they'll have enough to pay the supposed Davy bill that had been over heard earlier.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Topcat32


    Powerhouse wrote: »
    I think Kilkenny beating Tipperary a month ago by just a point is not significant in guessing the outcome of the game. As Brian Cody said today a few of these games could have gone either way. I can't comment on bookies' odds at all but I am confident Kilkenny will win based on the semi final performances and the amount of players Tipperary still don't have especially up front. If Tipperary keep hitting high ball into the Kilkenny backs as they did with Limerick they couldn't get a good beating.

    I think the point is that winning a month ago, playing at home and our overall strong record in Nowlan Park both historically and in recent past make it a bit strange that one bookies would effectively make us such big underdogs.

    I think everybody would agree that what happened a month ago isnt all that significant to what will happen next Sunday in actual terms. I'm not all that bothered about bookies odds anyway.

    On today after some of the matches last year it was very refreshing to see the movement of the forwards today, Keoghan, Aylward, Sheehan and Walter ran themselves into the ground, TJ looked as sharp as ever, I don't think the way the game developed in the second half really suited Donnelly but I really liked his confidence in taking on shots in the first half, he looks like the most natural striker of the ball that we have outside of Reid and Hogan

    James Maher did some good things but I would have some concerns about him nailing down a position in the team, he goes out of the game at midfield and for me he is not a good enough finisher for the forwards at least at the current point.

    I still think our full back line could be a weak point for us even though the 3 lads there are obviously good Hurlers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭babyjesus14


    Powerhouse wrote: »
    No, what happened 8/9 years ago is not current.

    Fair enough, you obviously don't think that psychology plays any part in sport. The fact that every Tipp player who takes to the field next Sunday has never beaten Kilkenny in Nowlan Park, the fact that a month ago they came out the wrong side of another tight game with Kilkenny and the fact that we have played them in 9 national finals in the last 10 years and the score stands at 7-2 in our favour!

    I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭laneykin


    Be curious to hear other posters experiences down there today. Thought the organisation both at and outside the ground was shocking!

    Very few stewards outside to advise supporters. At the side of the ground we were entering there was no signage to indicate which gate for season tickets. There was four styles but only three open and when we got to the styles realised why it was so slow because the two guys in the ticket office were also operating the styles on each side of them.

    Then afterwards not a guard to be seen directing traffic. The part of the county we live in the usual travel time to Wexford would be an hour obviously you have to allow a bit extra for match day traffic but it tooks us three hours to get home. Piss up and brewery spring to mind. Thank f*** we won!


    Agree completely on the organisation being shocking. Not nearly enough turnstiles open to let people in and no sign of a steward once we were inside the grounds.

    Also found the Wexford crowd to be very hostile before, during and after the match. No banter or chatting at all like you would have with other counties.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭Powerhouse


    Fair enough, you obviously don't think that psychology plays any part in sport. The fact that every Tipp player who takes to the field next Sunday has never beaten Kilkenny in Nowlan Park, the fact that a month ago they came out the wrong side of another tight game with Kilkenny and the fact that we have played them in 9 national finals in the last 10 years and the score stands at 7-2 in our favour!

    I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one!


    I have no idea how you would quantify the psychological element in any sporting contest. I am sure as in any endeavour it plays a role but I can't quantify it.

    But surely the 2016 All Ireland Final should surely have banished any idea that Tipperary would be squinting in front of an excel spreadsheet checking out their record against Kilkenny in national finals and being worried about it. Not sure that's how high level sport works to be honest. In my experience of talking to inter-county hurlers most of then wouldn't have a clue about these records or what happened 10 years ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭babyjesus14


    Powerhouse wrote: »
    I have no idea how you would quantify the psychological element in any sporting contest. I am sure as in any endeavour it plays a role but I can't quantify it.

    But surely the 2016 All Ireland Final should surely have banished any idea that Tipperary would be squinting in front of an excel spreadsheet checking out their record against Kilkenny in national finals and being worried about it. Not sure that's how high level sport works to be honest. In my experience of talking to inter-county hurlers most of then wouldn't have a clue about these records or what happened 10 years ago.

    Not asking you to quantify it but you clearly believe it plays absolutely no role in sport! Wonder why so many teams employ Sports Psychologists? I guess they must be all wrong and you are right!

    You seriously think that players are completely oblivious to what happened in the past? You think that the likes of Paudie Maher, Brendan Maher, Micky Cahill, Noel McGrath who eat,sleep and drink hurling and in some cases put their lives on hold for the game and have trudged out of Nowlan Park so many times during their careers defeated yet again by Kilkenny are completely unaware of that fact???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Topcat32


    laneykin wrote: »
    Agree completely on the organisation being shocking. Not nearly enough turnstiles open to let people in and no sign of a steward once we were inside the grounds.

    Also found the Wexford crowd to be very hostile before, during and after the match. No banter or chatting at all like you would have with other counties.

    There was an interesting conversation between the commentator and Michael Rice on TG4 early in the match. The commentator said he had a conversation with an ex Wexford player before the game who said he thought the game would be dirty. Michael Rice disagreed strongly and rightly in my opinion.

    Maybe there was a perception down in Wexford that Kilkenny were going to be physical to stop their running game and that led to some tension I'm the crowd. Wexford being well off their game from the 10th minute onwards didnt help either.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭lim4ev


    Powerhouse wrote: »
    I think Kilkenny beating Tipperary a month ago by just a point is not significant in guessing the outcome of the game. As Brian Cody said today a few of these games could have gone either way. I can't comment on bookies' odds at all but I am confident Kilkenny will win based on the semi final performances and the amount of players Tipperary still don't have especially up front. If Tipperary keep hitting high ball into the Kilkenny backs as they did with Limerick they could get a good beating.

    Maybe Limerick are better than what you're giving them credit for?we were far from full strength ourselves


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