Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »

Men are first and foremost out for sex. They find communication with women on a cerebral level difficult. The What's App texts were hardly the stuff of Noel Coward.

Keep digging, I'm really enjoying the confirmation.

That's an offensive and illogical statement to make.
You are still completely ignoring the fact that these men are having sex with....WOMEN!

Fann Linn wrote: »

In this case there was also a sober witness who didn't see a rape.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Depp wrote: »

You're innocent untill proven guilty, if guilt cannot be proven, you remain innocent as you were before.

Not guilty == innocent.
It doesn't mean you didn't do what you were accused of.

If the entire legal system was changed to the burden of proof being on the accused then not guilty == innocent== didn't do it

irishrebe wrote: »

My house was over a mile from the school, so no. They had no idea. I saw girls from other schools and random women walking alone also being harassed sometimes. Sometimes a bystander would step in and tell them to cop on and f*ck off but mostly people were too intimidated. They were big lads and quite intimidating for anyone.

Where in God's name did you live?

Worried Father wrote: »

Imagine a man going around with a banner saying 'women are thrash'? He'd be arrested and the media would be all over it that.

That's the real double standard.

He said 'I love Belfast sluts' ,
...instead.

Pelvis wrote: »

People think you're lying because you seem to have problems, based on your posting history, concerning gross exaggeration and misrepresentation.

Maybe you did experience these things on occasion. But no one will believe that you were sexually harassed constantly for years starting at age 11, by men out in the open.

What did the guards say about it? I assume you, a teacher, a parent or a friends parent reported it?

Did your dad not insist on you walking another route home or arrange a lift for you? If my daughter was being harassed to the extent you were this would be the first thing I'd do, and I can't believe any decent parent wouldn't do the same.

In short, you're speaking through your hoop.

Do you think you are a big man, saying that to her?
Again, as she also said, these threads are being shared abroad.
I hope you're all okay with how you look

bebeman wrote: »

Is there anything more creepy that the "men" who support these type of women's protests?
If your a looser creep who cant pull a woman, go full SJW and attend these type of protests, no doubt they will be full of vulnerable, damaged women upon whom they can prey.
These so called "men" creep me out big time

Imagine being so damaged that you can't see any reason why a man would support women's rights. Scary.

John4Edinburgh wrote: »

You'd swear with all these protests and the absolute man hating on social media, that a woman would never engage in a threesome of her own free will.

It is clear that whatever happened that night, she seriously regretted it the next morning, but it does not automatically equate with rape, a horrific charge that any right minded guy would shudder at the thought of. It looks like drunken group sex, this is what the jury appears to have settled upon, why did she push this right up to court and make a victim out of herself when it looks like she was a participant in what happened? Who knows, it's Northern Ireland and full of all sorts of religious nonsense.

Why did she have bruising, and a bleeding laceration?

bebeman wrote: »

Is there anything more creepy that the "men" who support these type of women's protests?
If your a looser creep who cant pull a woman, go full SJW and attend these type of protests, no doubt they will be full of vulnerable, damaged women upon whom they can prey.
These so called "men" creep me out big time

Pelvis wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

Adding more details to a story is 'changing the story'? I didn't think people were that thick that it would confuse them so much. Do tell me where I contradicted myself. I said I was harassed for years while walking home from school, and someone tries to tell me I'm lying because I mentioned being 11 and being 13 when it happened? Really? is that the level we're at?

People think you're lying because you seem to have problems, based on your posting history, concerning gross exaggeration and misrepresentation.

Maybe you did experience these things on occasion. But no one will believe that you were sexually harassed constantly for years starting at age 11, by men out in the open.

What did the guards say about it? I assume you, a teacher, a parent or a friends parent reported it?

Did your dad not insist on you walking another route home or arrange a lift for you? If my daughter was being harassed to the extent you were this would be the first thing I'd do, and I can't believe any decent parent wouldn't do the same.

In short, you're speaking through your hoop.

Again, if you don't believe me, then I'm exaggerating and lying. The age old trick to minimise abuse and harassment. It can't have happened. They must be lying. It's too far fetched. Hundreds of gymnasts can have a doctor's hand up their vagina in front of their parents without anyone suspecting anything but a schoolgirl in a short tight skirt getting beeped at is so ludicrous that it must be false. 
I minimised it to my dad because I knew he'd go mental and I didn't want him to get hurt. One older man against loads of fit young men. He thought things had improved after he talked to the boss that one time. I didn't want him talking to the boss again and things becoming even worse for me or for him. I just hoped they'd get bored and stop eventually. I was f*cking 12 years old. Sorry if that wasn't the 'right' reaction for you.

bebeman wrote: »

Is there anything more creepy that the "men" who support these type of women's protests?
If your a looser creep who cant pull a woman, go full SJW and attend these type of protests, no doubt they will be full of vulnerable, damaged women upon whom they can prey.
These so called "men" creep me out big time

Excuse me?

I am a man...

I feel the time is right to reform the legal process when it comes to rape cases....

There was an article this morning in a Belfast news outlet...last year there were 825 alleged rapes....15 convictions....now can you not see the problem with that? Are you that blind?????

I'd imagine the number are similar here in the Republic....

I do not and cannot be identified as some kind of feminist....I don't give a fukk what you or anyone thinks of me...

I can't for the life of me understand how any man could feel threatened in any way or insulted in any way at the suggestion that we change the way we process rape cases.....

And that makes me some kind of creep?????

suicide_circus wrote: »

So if they had been found guilty no one would be talking about the case anymore. But because the "WRONG" verdict was reached people have a meltdown and actually take to the streets despite having no information to prove them guilty?

Is this actually happening? Am I taking crazy pills?

irishrebe wrote: »

Yes, 11 turning 12 when I started secondary school. As I said, a doctor was convicted of molesting hundreds of children and adults over a period of decades, putting his fingers inside them, sometimes with other people around, taking an enormous risk of losing his prestigious job, and yet you find it so hard to believe that factory workers in Dublin trying to play the hard lads, with no real repercussions for their actions, didn't beep and harass schoolgirls (and others) walking on the pavement that you assume I'm a liar? Wow.

Reading your quote - that is horrific to have to go through that - I'm assuming it was 20+ years ago in a different time. It is far less likely to occur nowadays and if it does its far more likely to be pursued.
I appreciate that its not something you wish to relive and perhaps haven't give the story for that reason.

But theres at least 30 "conversations" going on in this thread and many crossed wires.

And you object to the language used in the Whatsapp conversations - so do I but It's not out of this world outrageous. It's immature not particularly nice but it does happen and is widespread. I've also got female friends who would use similar language about men.

Absolutely education is key and we have serious issues with sex in this country - almost the extreme opposite of the way it was 30 years ago and sex education is badly needed in a modern way and should be part of a new curriculum in SPHE.

But this protesting is mob culture and is doing nobody any favours. We all know the British justice system has not exactly got all of its verdicts correct but reading through twitter it is downright scary how many people are treating previous tweets as fact.
Actually its more than that - its dangerous and I actually hope several people get sued so that they learn a lesson to base their comments on facts and not what they would like the facts to be