Raves

thebull85 · 14-02-2018 3:57pm

MDMA has been my go to for years now, but from what im hearing from some friends the pills that around now are the strongest that have been around in years.

14-02-2018 4:15pm

Stab*City wrote: »

No the one and only difference between late 80's early 90's were the yokes. For a period there from 88/89-92/93 and maybe a bit later there was certain types of E that really did change scumbags into friends. Although when people came down the following few days it was business as usual. These pills (Snowballs, Mad Bastards, Rhubarb&Custard, The first White doves, Dennis the Menaces etc) were totally different to what came later. It really was a love buzz. I mean there will always be some who are just pure scum but trust me i seen enemies turn into friends over night after a snowball. And they simply don't make E like that anymore or even after 94-95. Some people say the doves of the mid-late 90's were similar and they were but were not a patch on what came before them.

Yes but the big difference back then was the emergence of Dance Music. It was like nothing heard before and that mixed with the love buzz created a vibe that was magical. Right place right time comes to mind. Im sure the original summer of love was similar but ours was more full on and alot stronger.

I went to my first rave back in those days, from there i started djing, since i have become involved in the scene heavily. I gave up drugs and drink years ago but my last rave was a couple months back (although these days they are in much trendier surroundings) I cant remember a thing from 90-2008 but i can remember everything since. These days i enjoy the clubs/events for the music as opposed to the buzz. Its different but still enjoyable.

Sir Henrys, Theatre Royal, Prodigy in the point 1992, Club UK, Fantasia, Tribal Gathering Uk, Creamfields, The System, The Asylum, Sex Kitchen, La Locomotive Paris, My Gaff all to name but a few. I loved every minute.

By the way the E was so good that if you handed me an original snowball right now id drop it right here at my corporate desk.

thebull85 wrote: »

MDMA has been my go to for years now, but from what im hearing from some friends the pills that around now are the strongest that have been around in years.

Yeah all the studies and analysis shows pill strength going up and up. MDMA is as cheap now as it's ever been and apparently there's no scag off it.

The Pheasant2 · 14-02-2018 5:49pm

thebull85 wrote: »

MDMA has been my go to for years now, but from what im hearing from some friends the pills that around now are the strongest that have been around in years.

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah all the studies and analysis shows pill strength going up and up. MDMA is as cheap now as it's ever been and apparently there's no scag off it.

A common misconception - pills are MDMA - just a different form. I often hear of people referring to the crystals as MDMA as if it's somehow different. Granted pills are slightly more likely to be adulterated but if they're clean pills there's no difference. You're right about the strength of pills always going up however.

The idea of no skag off the crystals also isn't true.

thebull85 · 14-02-2018 5:53pm

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

A common misconception - pills are MDMA - just a different form. I often hear of people referring to the crystals as MDMA as if it's somehow different. Granted pills are slightly more likely to be adulterated but if they're clean pills there's no difference. You're right about the strength of pills always going up however.

The idea of no skag off the crystals also isn't true.

Damn right its not true haha if anything i think i skag more on the MDMA than the pills, the MDMA also seems to make me drift off into me own little world more than pills.

Although i do take a fair amount of it haha

Big Nasty · 14-02-2018 5:57pm

Skag?

14-02-2018 6:02pm

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

A common misconception - pills are MDMA - just a different form. I often hear of people referring to the crystals as MDMA as if it's somehow different. Granted pills are slightly more likely to be adulterated but if they're clean pills there's no difference. You're right about the strength of pills always going up however.

The idea of no skag off the crystals also isn't true.

Do tell me more, hold on til I make a cup of cocoa.

Pills are pills. They're supposed to be MDMA. However the amount of MDMA (and the other nice stuff made incidentally in the production process) will vary wildly. There have been pills with little-to-no scag and some that if mixed with drink are the devil the next day.
MDMA as far as I know, ahem, tends to be much, much cleaner and predictable. I know a few people who can use it as a hangover prevention such is its loveliness.

14-02-2018 6:03pm

Big Nasty wrote: »

Skag?

Horrible, awful comedown.

Ferris_Bueller · 14-02-2018 7:36pm

Definitely a sense of "back in my day" about raves, just look at the comments on any 90s dance tune on youtube! I think over the years they have definitely changed and evolved but there will always be something similar going on, even at the moment I'd say there is more stuff like this going on than some of the old schoolers might think.

Over time things have become so much more accessible and social media has played a big part too, if someone is at a party or a rave now someone will put it on social media and word will get out - slowly but surely in the following weeks more 'blow ins' will come in and the initial one will be a distant memory. If someone was organising a rave now they would have to be even more secretive than 20 years ago as it could so easily become public knowledge in this day and age.

Widdershins · 14-02-2018 7:59pm

I was at one in 2001. or 03 or 05

Probably one of the youngest if not the youngest person there. Converted horse lorries and ambulances going up the road to it for days. People found lost, staggering, dehydrated and bewildered in the hills for .. possibly weeks afterwards.

I think the last of the crusties/hippies are too old and sedate for it now and nobody has the will to start it up.

It's the thing of doing something different in that kind of location. Out in the middle of nowhere.

Wibbs wrote: »

With others I may have helped organised a couple of "happenings" in my time way back in the day™ and M's take hits a bit close to the bone. Oh yeah and yippers for all. Dance/chew/hug/grind.

In a valley below a mountain?

johnnyskeleton · 14-02-2018 8:49pm

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

4mins in, the Detective Garda in the Drugs Squad. Driving around in a fur coat! Fooling no one!

The Pheasant2 · 14-02-2018 10:05pm

Big Nasty wrote: »

Skag?

The results of serotonin depletion following a night of heavy MDMA use combined with general malaise from dehydration and staying up all night dancing and chatting.

It can be quite severe but is generally easily avoided by taking decent sized breaks (a couple of months or so) between usages and not overdoing it when you do.

Furthermore there are certain vitamins/supplements you can take before, during and after use not only to potentiate your buzz but also to ablate the skag...Don't know why a lot more people don't do that!

thebull85 · 14-02-2018 10:27pm

Anyone know why it is that the pills wont work two nights in a row? Is it something to do with the seratonin depletion?

NoviGlitzko · 14-02-2018 10:57pm

thebull85 wrote: »

Anyone know why it is that the pills wont work two nights in a row? Is it something to do with the seratonin depletion?

Say it's just the standard 'your body gets used to them'. It's crazy how much difference there is though from one night to the following.

The Pheasant2 · 15-02-2018 1:47am

thebull85 wrote: »

Anyone know why it is that the pills wont work two nights in a row? Is it something to do with the seratonin depletion?

Bingo. Your serotonin levels are more or less crashed after a night on it and take a few days at least to return to baseline. Ideally you really should be taking at least a months break after each use - MDMA is a very safe drug done properly but sustained usage over short periods can have deleterious effects on your memory and cause eventual desensitization of serotonin receptors i.e. it is physically more difficult for your brain to create feelings of happiness in response to the relevant stimuli.

beertons · 15-02-2018 9:34am

A month? Ha.

Stab*City · 15-02-2018 11:08am

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Furthermore there are certain vitamins/supplements you can take before, during and after use not only to potentiate your buzz but also to ablate the skag...Don't know why a lot more people don't do that!

Such as? Share the knowledge!

The Pheasant2 · 15-02-2018 11:47am

Stab*City wrote: »

Such as? Share the knowledge!

Mkay so some of this proven and some anecdotal (can't hurt however):

The primary neurotoxic effect of MDMA results from oxidation in the brain - how to prevent this? Antioxidants. (All the following supplements etc are available at health food shops/online)

- Alpha Lipoic acid (ALA), is an important one. Take 300mg with your MDMA and then every couple of hours during your high.
- Acetyl-L-carnitine (ALCAR), take 500mg ~3hrs prior to dropping, once during (say an hour after dropping)
-Vitamin C, have 500mg about 3 hours prior and then every 3hrs during

Then the others:

- Magnesium glycinate (stops jaw clenching) take 200mg and then as required...(maybe bring a lollipop too just in case :P )
- Grapefruit juice, yep it's a CYP450 (enzyme involved in drug metabolism) inhibitor, reduces the metabolism of MDMA to MDA in the brain thereby allowing for higher concentrations of MDMA to exert more effect. Drink a couple of glasses the day before and then a couple the day of.
- Drink some water mixed with electrolytes e.g dioralyte or drink lucozade/Gatorade during to prevent dehydration and hyponatremia (which can actually be fatal to some during MDMA use, women in particular are at risk of this).
- After you get home have some melatonin (5-9mg) it will help you get to sleep and is a precursor for serotonin production.

There are many others but I just outlined the main ones - it seems a bit of an effort granted, but I really would recommend trying it at least once. All my friends that have have never gone back. Better buzz, no skag at all - the opposite even, you'll be walking around with a lovely afterglow for a couple of days

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Stab*City · 15-02-2018 2:05pm

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Mkay so some of this proven and some anecdotal (can't hurt however):

The primary neurotoxic effect of MDMA results from oxidation in the brain - how to prevent this? Antioxidants. (All the following supplements etc are available at health food shops/online)

- Alpha Lipoic acid (ALA), is an important one. Take 300mg with your MDMA and then every couple of hours during your high.
- Acetyl-L-carnitine (ALCAR), take 500mg ~3hrs prior to dropping, once during (say an hour after dropping)
-Vitamin C, have 500mg about 3 hours prior and then every 3hrs during

Then the others:

- Magnesium glycinate (stops jaw clenching) take 200mg and then as required...(maybe bring a lollipop too just in case :P )
- Grapefruit juice, yep it's a CYP450 (enzyme involved in drug metabolism) inhibitor, reduces the metabolism of MDMA to MDA in the brain thereby allowing for higher concentrations of MDMA to exert more effect. Drink a couple of glasses the day before and then a couple the day of.
- Drink some water mixed with electrolytes e.g dioralyte or drink lucozade/Gatorade during to prevent dehydration and hyponatremia (which can actually be fatal to some during MDMA use, women in particular are at risk of this).
- After you get home have some melatonin (5-9mg) it will help you get to sleep and is a precursor for serotonin production.

There are many others but I just outlined the main ones - it seems a bit of an effort granted, but I really would recommend trying it at least once. All my friends that have have never gone back. Better buzz, no skag at all - the opposite even, you'll be walking around with a lovely afterglow for a couple of days .

Now that's some helpful sh*t!! Good man. Wish i knew this when it mattered to me personally but all good!!

kumate_champ07 · 15-02-2018 2:16pm

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Mkay so some of this proven and some anecdotal (can't hurt however):

The primary neurotoxic effect of MDMA results from oxidation in the brain - how to prevent this? Antioxidants. (All the following supplements etc are available at health food shops/online)

- Alpha Lipoic acid (ALA), is an important one. Take 300mg with your MDMA and then every couple of hours during your high.
- Acetyl-L-carnitine (ALCAR), take 500mg ~3hrs prior to dropping, once during (say an hour after dropping)
-Vitamin C, have 500mg about 3 hours prior and then every 3hrs during

Then the others:

- Magnesium glycinate (stops jaw clenching) take 200mg and then as required...(maybe bring a lollipop too just in case :P )
- Grapefruit juice, yep it's a CYP450 (enzyme involved in drug metabolism) inhibitor, reduces the metabolism of MDMA to MDA in the brain thereby allowing for higher concentrations of MDMA to exert more effect. Drink a couple of glasses the day before and then a couple the day of.
- Drink some water mixed with electrolytes e.g dioralyte or drink lucozade/Gatorade during to prevent dehydration and hyponatremia (which can actually be fatal to some during MDMA use, women in particular are at risk of this).
- After you get home have some melatonin (5-9mg) it will help you get to sleep and is a precursor for serotonin production.

There are many others but I just outlined the main ones - it seems a bit of an effort granted, but I really would recommend trying it at least once. All my friends that have have never gone back. Better buzz, no skag at all - the opposite even, you'll be walking around with a lovely afterglow for a couple of days .

higher concentrations of mdma? its not clear if this is advising to take a larger quantity(which is not a good idea) , grapefruit juice allows certain drugs to stay in the body longer, magnifying their effect.

Mister Vain · 15-02-2018 2:25pm

Trust boards to turn a thread about raves into a chemistry class.

draiochtanois · 15-02-2018 2:30pm

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gargargar · 15-02-2018 2:47pm

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

- Alpha Lipoic acid (ALA), is an important one. Take 300mg with your MDMA and then every couple of hours during your high.
- Acetyl-L-carnitine (ALCAR), take 500mg ~3hrs prior to dropping, once during (say an hour after dropping)
-Vitamin C, have 500mg about 3 hours prior and then every 3hrs during
- Magnesium glycinate (stops jaw clenching) take 200mg and then as required...(maybe bring a lollipop too just in case :P )
- Grapefruit juice, yep it's a CYP450 (enzyme involved in drug metabolism) inhibitor, reduces the metabolism of MDMA to MDA in the brain thereby allowing for higher concentrations of MDMA to exert more effect. Drink a couple of glasses the day before and then a couple the day of.
- Drink some water mixed with electrolytes e.g dioralyte or drink lucozade/Gatorade during to prevent dehydration and hyponatremia (which can actually be fatal to some during MDMA use, women in particular are at risk of this).
- After you get home have some melatonin (5-9mg) it will help you get to sleep and is a precursor for serotonin productio.

.... or just buy a bag of cans on Sunday.

The Pheasant2 · 15-02-2018 3:18pm

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

higher concentrations of mdma? its not clear if this is advising to take a larger quantity(which is not a good idea) , grapefruit juice allows certain drugs to stay in the body longer, magnifying their effect.

Yep, if less MDMA is being metabolised, the synaptic concentrations thereof will be higher by extension (than what they would have been without grapefruit juice).

begbysback · 15-02-2018 8:09pm

badboyblast · 15-02-2018 8:35pm

Did you hear about the dyslexic raver .???..... He took an M .

Lekrub · 15-02-2018 9:15pm

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Mkay so some of this proven and some anecdotal (can't hurt however):

The primary neurotoxic effect of MDMA results from oxidation in the brain - how to prevent this? Antioxidants. (All the following supplements etc are available at health food shops/online)

- Alpha Lipoic acid (ALA), is an important one. Take 300mg with your MDMA and then every couple of hours during your high.
- Acetyl-L-carnitine (ALCAR), take 500mg ~3hrs prior to dropping, once during (say an hour after dropping)
-Vitamin C, have 500mg about 3 hours prior and then every 3hrs during

Then the others:

- Magnesium glycinate (stops jaw clenching) take 200mg and then as required...(maybe bring a lollipop too just in case :P )
- Grapefruit juice, yep it's a CYP450 (enzyme involved in drug metabolism) inhibitor, reduces the metabolism of MDMA to MDA in the brain thereby allowing for higher concentrations of MDMA to exert more effect. Drink a couple of glasses the day before and then a couple the day of.
- Drink some water mixed with electrolytes e.g dioralyte or drink lucozade/Gatorade during to prevent dehydration and hyponatremia (which can actually be fatal to some during MDMA use, women in particular are at risk of this).
- After you get home have some melatonin (5-9mg) it will help you get to sleep and is a precursor for serotonin production.

There are many others but I just outlined the main ones - it seems a bit of an effort granted, but I really would recommend trying it at least once. All my friends that have have never gone back. Better buzz, no skag at all - the opposite even, you'll be walking around with a lovely afterglow for a couple of days .

You gotta start selling a pre-made box of all this stuff. You'll make a ton!

The Pheasant2 · 15-02-2018 11:46pm

Lekrub wrote: »

You gotta start selling a pre-made box of all this stuff. You'll make a ton!

*Files under "money-making schemes*

Haha believe it or not they already exist; think you've to order em online and they're meant to be fairly pricy.

If I could produce an all-in-one whacktastic anti skag pill, incorporating all if the above into a single tablet though...now that's where the cash would be...

*Puts on white coat*
TO THE LABORATORY!

Cee-Jay-Cee · 16-02-2018 12:46am

Lorelli! wrote: »

What actually is a Rave? I think the school disco may have been the closest thing to a rave I've been too :pac: unless you count outdoor concerts!

I know everyone "hates" Maniac but that's what they played. I don't mind it

Maniac was not a rave/techno song, it was a shíte attempt at it and failed miserably probably because (a) it was utter shíte (b) McCabe is utter shíte (c) the rave scene had died by the time shíteface McCabe put together his shíte attempt at techno/rave music.

Are Am Eye · 16-02-2018 1:14am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jePEfkNq5k

Are Am Eye · 16-02-2018 1:18am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INFty4xfAr8

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