Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

MayoAreMagic wrote:

Post the parts where a) it states the black card rules dont apppy if you pull the jersey, and b) it stipulates that both players must end up on the ground.

MayoAreMagic wrote:

Also, i remember the comer quick free. Boyle didnt pull him back, he fouled him in the tackle and got a yellow for it.

MayoAreMagic wrote:

Post the parts where a) it states the black card rules dont apppy if you pull the jersey, and b) it stipulates that both players must end up on the ground.

MayoAreMagic wrote:

Thanks

MayoAreMagic wrote:

Also, i remember the comer quick free. Boyle didnt pull him back, he fouled him in the tackle and got a yellow for it.

5.5 To hold an opponent with the hand(s).
5.6 To use the fist on or around the body of an
opponent for the purpose of dispossessing him of
the ball.
5.7 (a) To charge an opponent in the back or to the
front.
(b) To charge an opponent :
(i) who is not in possession of the ball, or
(ii) is in the act of kicking the ball, or
(iii) If both players are not moving in the
direction of the ball to play it.
(c) To charge an opponent for the purpose of
giving an advantage to a team-mate.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS-
(i) Free kick from where the foul occurred except
as provided under Exceptions of Rule 2.2.
(ii) Caution offender for committing any of the
above fouls a second time. Order off for a
further repetition or for other c

5.5 deals with holding and pulling someone one back.




Category II Infractions – Cynical Behaviour
5.10 To deliberately pull down an opponent.
5.11 To deliberately trip an opponent with hand(s),
arm, leg or foot.
5.12 To deliberately collide with an opponent after he
has played the ball away or for the purpose of
taking him out of the movement of play.
5.13 To remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a
Match Official..
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Order the offender off by showing him a
Black Card.
(ii) Allow a replacement from within the
substitutions permitted in Rule 2.4, Rules
of Specification.
(iii)Free kick from where the foul occurred
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.
5.14 To threaten or to use abusive or provocative
language or gestures to an opponent or team-
mate.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Order the offender off by showing him a
Black Card.
(ii) Allow a replacement from within the
substitutions permitted in Rule 2.4, Rules


This deals with black cards. Number one and top of the pile.. Pull an opponent down. Not back. Down. Pulling of shirts happens a hundred times in every game. Durcan had so much of Shane Walshs I hope he got it after the game.

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Nobody is claiming that those are the reasons mayo lost though. We accept we deserved to lose the game.

Maybe, just maybe, if you read what people have to say, you mighnt need this pointes out

You personally are going on about Galway being cynical when Mayo are well able to mix it on that front.

You also blamed Kerry's cynicism last week- I know theres pride in being consistent but you're consistently wrong.

It's always the default- start attacking the other team to try cover up/make excuses for Mayo's failings.

Happyilylost wrote: »

5.5 To hold an opponent with the hand(s).
5.6 To use the fist on or around the body of an
opponent for the purpose of dispossessing him of
the ball.
5.7 (a) To charge an opponent in the back or to the
front.
(b) To charge an opponent :
(i) who is not in possession of the ball, or
(ii) is in the act of kicking the ball, or
(iii) If both players are not moving in the
direction of the ball to play it.
(c) To charge an opponent for the purpose of
giving an advantage to a team-mate.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS-
(i) Free kick from where the foul occurred except
as provided under Exceptions of Rule 2.2.
(ii) Caution offender for committing any of the
above fouls a second time. Order off for a
further repetition or for other c

5.5 deals with holding and pulling someone one back.




Category II Infractions – Cynical Behaviour
5.10 To deliberately pull down an opponent.
5.11 To deliberately trip an opponent with hand(s),
arm, leg or foot.
5.12 To deliberately collide with an opponent after he
has played the ball away or for the purpose of
taking him out of the movement of play.
5.13 To remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a
Match Official..
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Order the offender off by showing him a
Black Card.
(ii) Allow a replacement from within the
substitutions permitted in Rule 2.4, Rules
of Specification.
(iii)Free kick from where the foul occurred
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.
5.14 To threaten or to use abusive or provocative
language or gestures to an opponent or team-
mate.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Order the offender off by showing him a
Black Card.
(ii) Allow a replacement from within the
substitutions permitted in Rule 2.4, Rules


This deals with black cards. Number one and top of the pile.. Pull an opponent down. Not back. Down. Pulling of shirts happens a hundred times in every game. Durcan had so much of Shane Walshs I hope he got it after the game.

Sorry, there is no mention of pulling of the jersey not being a black card, and there is no mention of both players having to end up on the ground for it to be a black card. That is what you suggested so you need to provide exactly that.

km79 wrote: »

Open season on O she’a again today
Again he gets a yellow
Discuss

Yeah he does well to keep his cool. The O Connors take note. Piss poor display again, yes its only the league blah blah, heavy training, but some of the basic skills were lacking. Another league and no hint of any forwards coming through.

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Sorry, there is no mention of pulling of the jersey not being a black card, and there is no mention of both players having to end up on the ground for it to be a black card. That is what you suggested so you need to provide exactly that.

There's no mention of it being one either.

Fann Linn wrote: »

There's no mention of it being one either.

Yes there is. 'A pull down' - ie if you pull a guy in a cynical fashion and he ends up on the ground because of it.
Doesnt matter what you pull him by, doesnt matter if you yourself end up on the ground or not. You pull him in a cynical fashion and he goes to ground, it is a black card offence

PCeeeee wrote: »

Where are you getting that definition of 'pull down' from?

A guy is pulled in a cyncial fashion and he goes down because of it...

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

A guy is pulled in a cyncial fashion and he goes down because of it...

Pulled down is not the same as being pulled back and falling as a result

munster87 wrote: »

Pulled down is not the same as being pulled back and falling as a result

Falling or being knocked? It was in mcloughlins interests to stay up after all...

In the context of cynical tackles i dont see how it does differ to be honest with you. The only guys who might want it to are guys who want to engineer a loophole into the rule so their own guy gets off a from a deserved punishment. Or in other words, turkeys voting for christmas

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Falling or being knocked? It was in mcloughlins interests to stay up after all...

In the context of cynical tackles i dont see how it does differ to be honest with you. The only guys who might want it to are guys who want to engineer a loophole into the rule so their own guy gets off a from a deserved punishment. Or in other words, turkeys voting for christmas

It differs in the sense that it's not what 5.5 or 5.10 says. Nowhere is the word cynical mentioned. Nor should it be unless we would like the referee to asked to assign motive to a players actions.

The rule (imo) itself is poorly written and open to interpretation. The problem for you is that you are interpreting it as one thing and the referees are interpreting it as another. This will lead to a great deal of frustration for you.

ArielAtom wrote: »

Great deflection, talk about a black card when the real talking point was COC leading with an elbow to the head. He’ll be a marked man with refs come the summer. His antics catching up it seems.

I wonder will lee keegan be on the radio commenting on what a dirty tackle it was.

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Actually they have set me straight. 'Deliberate fouls. The key word is deliberate'
This was a deliberate cynical foul where the guy was pulled to the extent of ending up on the ground. Nailed on black card by their interpretation too.

Except he wasn't pulled to the ground, which is a black card offence

the ref was poor. galway kept giving away frees and not a card in sight.

anyone for the rugby rule where cumulative fouls can lead to a black card.

Mayo were awful though amateur defending , slow build up. no way to get past the 13 man defence, no long range point taker around.

Galway look fitter , took scores on the counter attack very well.

The carry on at the end which happened right in front of me could have seen a lot more cards.

yop wrote: »

5 pages most of it the same Sh88te. It was a black or wasn't a black, big deal. Go to PM lads, its beyond boring.

The game itself, we were out fought and out classed. COC deservered his red, its been coming. He needs to sit out for a while, get this head and boots back. DOC was a yellow and deserved them both.
Galway were as equal on the cynical side, but were better at doing it out of sight, part of the game, if Mayo did I more I wouldn't complain, so not going to start now.

AOS had a good game, fought well, took a lot of abuse, how he doesn't explode is admirable. Durkan ran a lot but was up against blanket defense so didn't make much headway.
We had plan A and that was about it, ran into a wall and couldn't handle it and thats a pattern for a number of years now.
Good to see new lads blooded, has to be done.
Caff is end of days now, can't see what he brings to the team, though it says a lot for what is in the squad also.

Better team won, won it at all costs, thats what you have to do.

Maybe will need to get a result in Kildare and win in Tyrone. Donegal win away isn't going to be happening I expect. Dublin will canter against us unless we have a big transplant.
The "loss" of COC will be interesting, I expect us to possible play better and not funnel it all through him now, could be wrong.

Agree with all of that
Well said

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

irishgeo wrote: »

anyone for the rugby rule where cumulative fouls can lead to a black card.

The carry on at the end which happened right in front of me could have seen a lot more cards.

Its already supposed to be a yellow. Shanahan got his second yellow for persistant fouling last week. The ref just didnt implement the rules correctly. Changing it to a black isnt going to cure that.

The carry on the at end was a disgrace. Why does the gaa let those things go unpunished?

A citing commissioner would stamp it out.