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Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

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Audioslaven

STB. wrote: »

There wasnt a ball within 40 feet of Cillian today when he lashed out with an elbow strike on Kerin.

He'll be out for a few games and rightly so.

You could easily break someones jaw doing that.

What he did was not good but it was pure frustration from the lack of ball going in and galway defenders all over them once they got the ball.
DOCs was mis-timed and the defender is small so it looked worse than it was imo
I was frustrated watching this lateral playing of the ball and slow build up. We really played into Galways hands today with our slow build up. I think we need Barrett back in CB asap and king keegan back. Caff is on the way out unless he picks up.

It's only February and they looked well off the pace but Galway looked very fit today with the running off the ball and the counter attacking

Bonniedog

Whatever about hitting someone a belt when the match is in the balance trying to deliberately injure an opponent - who has wiped the floor with you - when the game is gone is pretty low.

STB.

There wasnt a ball within 40 feet of Cillian today when he lashed out with an elbow strike on Kerin.

He'll be out for a few games and rightly so.

You could easily break someones jaw doing that.

TommyDe

MayoAreMagic wrote:

Sorry, there is no mention of pulling of the jersey not being a black card, and there is no mention of both players having to end up on the ground for it to be a black card. That is what you suggested so you need to provide exactly that.

keegan get a black card for it 2016 final.
Though the reaction of connolly was that of a typical sneaky weasel.
Maybe Mcloughlin should have reacted like connolly instead...

TCDStudent1

blanch152 wrote: »

I don't know about that, but Diarmuid was very lucky not to get a straight red for it.

When people talk about previous incidents like the Battle of Omagh, this match must rank up there with the worst for unacceptable incidents.

I thought neither were particularly dirty or deliberate, more reckless and mistimed.

Poor_old_gill

blanch152 wrote: »

I don't know about that, but Diarmuid was very lucky not to get a straight red for it.

When people talk about previous incidents like the Battle of Omagh, this match must rank up there with the worst for unacceptable incidents.

It’s the other players face and/or other body part bring cynical- come on you know the script

Carney97

Being a young Mayo fan I can tell I will have a love hate relationship with this forum lol

seligehgit

yop wrote: »

5 pages most of it the same Sh88te. It was a black or wasn't a black, big deal. Go to PM lads, its beyond boring.

The game itself, we were out fought and out classed. COC deservered his red, its been coming. He needs to sit out for a while, get this head and boots back. DOC was a yellow and deserved them both.
Galway were as equal on the cynical side, but were better at doing it out of sight, part of the game, if Mayo did I more I wouldn't complain, so not going to start now.

AOS had a good game, fought well, took a lot of abuse, how he doesn't explode is admirable. Durkan ran a lot but was up against blanket defense so didn't make much headway.
We had plan A and that was about it, ran into a wall and couldn't handle it and thats a pattern for a number of years now.
Good to see new lads blooded, has to be done.
Caff is end of days now, can't see what he brings to the team, though it says a lot for what is in the squad also.

Better team won, won it at all costs, thats what you have to do.

Maybe will need to get a result in Kildare and win in Tyrone. Donegal win away isn't going to be happening I expect. Dublin will canter against us unless we have a big transplant.
The "loss" of COC will be interesting, I expect us to possible play better and not funnel it all through him now, could be wrong.

Great post Yop.

Yeah not too much can be said,twas a terrible day at the office.

Most of us on here are like a broken record re our issues at full back.Ger Cafferkey simply is'nt the solution,unfortunately Jason Gibbons has gone back significantly in terms of a possible live consideration for a starting spot.His foot passing is very inconsistent and I am at a loss as to why he consistently contests kickouts with one hand.

Our build up play was so laboured with an inordinate amount of lateral passing probing for openings oftentimes resulting in lost possession.But our oft used off the shoulder strategy was very static.Conor Loftus toiled tirelessly inside making runs which were often spoiled by poor footpassing,unspotted or spilled with resultant turnovers.Our inability to retain possession inside is stark.We struggle greatly to break down teams that bring a lot of men back.Galway will have a similar setup come May.It has been very fruitful in the past two years.In contrast as always Galway have forwards of great quality who can take their man on,the polar opposite to our oftentimes static off the shoulder strategy...Shane Walsh,Eamon Brannigan and Damian Comer.Peter Cooke impressed in the middle of park today.An area in which we are struggling greatly.

The latter part of the second half has no place in our game and both sides contributed greatly to same.Very disappointed in the two O Connors,such foul play has no place in the game.Take your beating graciously.Cillian in particular really has to take time to reflect on this rather nasty side to his game.Agree with the sentiments re the lack of protection Aidan O Shea gets.

I dread the thought of Dublin coming to Castlebar.

The reality is we will continue to rely on the same core players who have served us so well.Hoping like in past years this is all alarmist early season jitters with the lads only shortly back in collective training and a focus solely on the championship.

Kudos to all for the impeccably observed minutes silence.

homewardbound11

Better team won . More direct in front play. For once I was impressed with Damien comors after match speech . A good reflection on Galway at the moment .
Galway were no way as cynical as Kerry last week . The game went into a farce because it was allowed to .
The only good points from mayo were OSHEA . Boyle . Durcan .
Look we’ve 6 of the starting team to come in but as far as strength and depth - no chance .

Cillian needs time out . He’s no addition in his current form . A break is what he needs for his own good .

MayoAreMagic

blanch152 wrote: »

Every referee in the country, every pundit in the country and every poster on boards is wrong in their interpretation, but you are correct. I will read every single of your posts in that light.

No a good ref, like gough, would agree with the interpretation i gave, mainly because it is the right one.

Blackjack

yop wrote: »

5 pages most of it the same Sh88te. It was a black or wasn't a black, big deal. Go to PM lads, its beyond boring.

The game itself, we were out fought and out classed. COC deservered his red, its been coming. He needs to sit out for a while, get this head and boots back. DOC was a yellow and deserved them both.
Galway were as equal on the cynical side, but were better at doing it out of sight, part of the game, if Mayo did I more I wouldn't complain, so not going to start now.

AOS had a good game, fought well, took a lot of abuse, how he doesn't explode is admirable. Durkan ran a lot but was up against blanket defense so didn't make much headway.
We had plan A and that was about it, ran into a wall and couldn't handle it and thats a pattern for a number of years now.
Good to see new lads blooded, has to be done.
Caff is end of days now, can't see what he brings to the team, though it says a lot for what is in the squad also.

Better team won, won it at all costs, thats what you have to do.

Maybe will need to get a result in Kildare and win in Tyrone. Donegal win away isn't going to be happening I expect. Dublin will canter against us unless we have a big transplant.
The "loss" of COC will be interesting, I expect us to possible play better and not funnel it all through him now, could be wrong.

Fully agree.

irishgeo

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

irishgeo wrote: »

anyone for the rugby rule where cumulative fouls can lead to a black card.

The carry on at the end which happened right in front of me could have seen a lot more cards.

Its already supposed to be a yellow. Shanahan got his second yellow for persistant fouling last week. The ref just didnt implement the rules correctly. Changing it to a black isnt going to cure that.

The carry on the at end was a disgrace. Why does the gaa let those things go unpunished?

A citing commissioner would stamp it out.

MayoAreMagic

irishgeo wrote: »

anyone for the rugby rule where cumulative fouls can lead to a black card.

The carry on at the end which happened right in front of me could have seen a lot more cards.

Its already supposed to be a yellow. Shanahan got his second yellow for persistant fouling last week. The ref just didnt implement the rules correctly. Changing it to a black isnt going to cure that.

The carry on the at end was a disgrace. Why does the gaa let those things go unpunished?

km79

yop wrote: »

5 pages most of it the same Sh88te. It was a black or wasn't a black, big deal. Go to PM lads, its beyond boring.

The game itself, we were out fought and out classed. COC deservered his red, its been coming. He needs to sit out for a while, get this head and boots back. DOC was a yellow and deserved them both.
Galway were as equal on the cynical side, but were better at doing it out of sight, part of the game, if Mayo did I more I wouldn't complain, so not going to start now.

AOS had a good game, fought well, took a lot of abuse, how he doesn't explode is admirable. Durkan ran a lot but was up against blanket defense so didn't make much headway.
We had plan A and that was about it, ran into a wall and couldn't handle it and thats a pattern for a number of years now.
Good to see new lads blooded, has to be done.
Caff is end of days now, can't see what he brings to the team, though it says a lot for what is in the squad also.

Better team won, won it at all costs, thats what you have to do.

Maybe will need to get a result in Kildare and win in Tyrone. Donegal win away isn't going to be happening I expect. Dublin will canter against us unless we have a big transplant.
The "loss" of COC will be interesting, I expect us to possible play better and not funnel it all through him now, could be wrong.

Agree with all of that
Well said

MayoAreMagic

ArielAtom wrote: »

Great deflection, talk about a black card when the real talking point was COC leading with an elbow to the head. He’ll be a marked man with refs come the summer. His antics catching up it seems.

On the contrary tom. Id happily discuss that incident if guys would stop trying to pretend the and i quote coldrick and co 'deliberate foul where the guy ends up on the ground' isnt a black card. I was only highlighting that point to illustrate how the ref lost the run of the game but that hasnt been accepted in some quarters. He must have a raft of relations posting on boards or something!

irishgeo

the ref was poor. galway kept giving away frees and not a card in sight.

anyone for the rugby rule where cumulative fouls can lead to a black card.

Mayo were awful though amateur defending , slow build up. no way to get past the 13 man defence, no long range point taker around.

Galway look fitter , took scores on the counter attack very well.

The carry on at the end which happened right in front of me could have seen a lot more cards.

PCeeeee

yop wrote: »

The "loss" of COC will be interesting, I expect us to possible play better and not funnel it all through him now, could be wrong.

That would be interesting alright.

munster87

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Actually they have set me straight. 'Deliberate fouls. The key word is deliberate'
This was a deliberate cynical foul where the guy was pulled to the extent of ending up on the ground. Nailed on black card by their interpretation too.

Except he wasn't pulled to the ground, which is a black card offence

yop

5 pages most of it the same Sh88te. It was a black or wasn't a black, big deal. Go to PM lads, its beyond boring.

The game itself, we were out fought and out classed. COC deservered his red, its been coming. He needs to sit out for a while, get this head and boots back. DOC was a yellow and deserved them both.
Galway were as equal on the cynical side, but were better at doing it out of sight, part of the game, if Mayo did I more I wouldn't complain, so not going to start now.

AOS had a good game, fought well, took a lot of abuse, how he doesn't explode is admirable. Durkan ran a lot but was up against blanket defense so didn't make much headway.
We had plan A and that was about it, ran into a wall and couldn't handle it and thats a pattern for a number of years now.
Good to see new lads blooded, has to be done.
Caff is end of days now, can't see what he brings to the team, though it says a lot for what is in the squad also.

Better team won, won it at all costs, thats what you have to do.

Maybe will need to get a result in Kildare and win in Tyrone. Donegal win away isn't going to be happening I expect. Dublin will canter against us unless we have a big transplant.
The "loss" of COC will be interesting, I expect us to possible play better and not funnel it all through him now, could be wrong.

JohnBoy26

ArielAtom wrote: »

Great deflection, talk about a black card when the real talking point was COC leading with an elbow to the head. He’ll be a marked man with refs come the summer. His antics catching up it seems.

I wonder will lee keegan be on the radio commenting on what a dirty tackle it was.

MayoAreMagic

DDC1990 wrote: »

Nope, David Coldrick and Pat McEneaney will set you straight on that one in the video above.

A pull down, is where the player pulls the player "all the way to the ground".

They state several times that if a player is pulled and ends up on the ground it is not a black card.

Actually they have set me straight. 'Deliberate fouls. The key word is deliberate'
This was a deliberate cynical foul where the guy was pulled to the extent of ending up on the ground. Nailed on black card by their interpretation too.

PCeeeee

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Falling or being knocked? It was in mcloughlins interests to stay up after all...

In the context of cynical tackles i dont see how it does differ to be honest with you. The only guys who might want it to are guys who want to engineer a loophole into the rule so their own guy gets off a from a deserved punishment. Or in other words, turkeys voting for christmas

It differs in the sense that it's not what 5.5 or 5.10 says. Nowhere is the word cynical mentioned. Nor should it be unless we would like the referee to asked to assign motive to a players actions.

The rule (imo) itself is poorly written and open to interpretation. The problem for you is that you are interpreting it as one thing and the referees are interpreting it as another. This will lead to a great deal of frustration for you.

ArielAtom

Great deflection, talk about a black card when the real talking point was COC leading with an elbow to the head. He’ll be a marked man with refs come the summer. His antics catching up it seems.

MayoAreMagic

munster87 wrote: »

Pulled down is not the same as being pulled back and falling as a result

Falling or being knocked? It was in mcloughlins interests to stay up after all...

In the context of cynical tackles i dont see how it does differ to be honest with you. The only guys who might want it to are guys who want to engineer a loophole into the rule so their own guy gets off a from a deserved punishment. Or in other words, turkeys voting for christmas

DDC1990

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

A guy is pulled in a cyncial fashion and he goes down because of it...

Nope, David Coldrick and Pat McEneaney will set you straight on that one in the video above.

A pull down, is where the player pulls the player "all the way to the ground".

They state several times that if a player is pulled and ends up on the ground it is not a black card.

munster87

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

A guy is pulled in a cyncial fashion and he goes down because of it...

Pulled down is not the same as being pulled back and falling as a result

PCeeeee

Where are you getting 'cynical fashion' from?

MayoAreMagic

PCeeeee wrote: »

Where are you getting that definition of 'pull down' from?

A guy is pulled in a cyncial fashion and he goes down because of it...

PCeeeee

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

'A pull down' - ie if you pull a guy in a cynical fashion and he ends up on the ground because of it.

Where are you getting that definition of 'pull down' from?

MayoAreMagic

Fann Linn wrote: »

There's no mention of it being one either.

Yes there is. 'A pull down' - ie if you pull a guy in a cynical fashion and he ends up on the ground because of it.
Doesnt matter what you pull him by, doesnt matter if you yourself end up on the ground or not. You pull him in a cynical fashion and he goes to ground, it is a black card offence