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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #9632
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Marlow wrote: »
    They are the same company, but essentially been split. They're even on different floors of the building and not supposed to be talking to each other "personally" or "direct". Nor share information.

    The problem is, that some staff works for both Eir and OpenEIR part time. Which is a complete different conundrum.

    But alone the fact, that they're still part of the same overall company and that they're in the same building is a huge problem.

    And there is clear evidence that Eir is fed data before any other partner .. more than often.

    /M

    They should be legally split as Ofcom has forced Openreach from BT in the UK. While they are under the same umbrella the potential for eir retail to be favoured over other competitors is too great.

    https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/media/media-releases/2017/bt-agrees-to-legal-separation-of-openreach


  • #9633
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    They should be legally split as Ofcom has forced Openreach from BT in the UK. While they are under the same umbrella the potential for eir retail to be favoured over other competitors is too great.


    Sure they should. But both Comreg nor the Dept of Comms care enough to do something about it. It's been outlined to them at numerous occasions by probably every other provider using OpenEIR and those who don't. It also shows, when it takes OpenEIR to deliver circuits at 4-6 months rates to other providers. While for example ESBt and BT manage to deliver similar circuits at better rates, conditions and within 6-12 weeks to the same providers.

    Why do you think, OpenEIR manages to increase line rental pricing, while Ofcom forces OpenReach to bring them down ?

    Just a few pointers of what's going on.

    /M


  • #9634
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,106 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    They should be legally split as Ofcom has forced Openreach from BT in the UK. While they are under the same umbrella the potential for eir retail to be favoured over other competitors is too great.

    https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/media/media-releases/2017/bt-agrees-to-legal-separation-of-openreach

    Not sure that happens, the logistics of open eir leaves a lot to be desired


  • #9635
    KeRbDoG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭KeRbDoG


    KeRbDoG wrote: »
    Some more movement for the rollout in my area, the start of the aerial span and spool at the bottom from an underground duct have been connected up. Not the neatest job, the splice/distribution-box left on the ground a foot or two from the road. Maybe it was home/dinner time?
    Link
    Link

    More work in my area, looks like there is a real push to have the area complete for the 14th Feb date mentioned here.
    Two KN poor folks in a ditch splicing fiber on a cold winters Saturday morning;
    439959.jpg


  • #9636
    _sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭_sheep


    Guys just wondering how typical the situation is in my town compared to what others may have seen, trying to grasp how far along my town might be in the process.

    Noticed in the latest 'houses passed' listing that Borrisoleigh has '8 premises' that can get fiber, I've seen a little work in the exchange recently but nothing on the poles so thought it was unusual. In the attached screenshot towards the south are 4 of the properties which are houses - i drive this road every day and i do not see any new cabling on the poles or any splitter boxes.

    On the other side of my town is a large business (north in screenshot) that apparently is 'passed' as well (where I work luckily for this test), a request to the Eircom account manager was placed to order Fiber but she has been unsuccessful and keeps advising that she will 'let us know soon'.

    Could it be that these houses/businesses are like 'test cases' and might somehow be run fiber direct from the exchange if they ordered, or is the premises passed thing just lies half the time?


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  • #9637
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    _sheep wrote: »
    Guys just wondering how typical the situation is in my town compared to what others may have seen, trying to grasp how far along my town might be in the process.

    Noticed in the latest 'houses passed' listing that Borrisoleigh has '8 premises' that can get fiber, I've seen a little work in the exchange recently but nothing on the poles so thought it was unusual. In the attached screenshot towards the south are 4 of the properties which are houses - i drive this road every day and i do not see any new cabling on the poles or any splitter boxes.

    On the other side of my town is a large business (north in screenshot) that apparently is 'passed' as well (where I work luckily for this test), a request to the Eircom account manager was placed to order Fiber but she has been unsuccessful and keeps advising that she will 'let us know soon'.

    Could it be that these houses/businesses are like 'test cases' and might somehow be run fiber direct from the exchange if they ordered, or is the premises passed thing just lies half the time?

    The three premises marked as green in the bottom of your screenshot all fail the Eircode check on eir.ie suggesting they are not actually live. It is not really feasible that they would only pass a small number such as eight. They are capable of running several hundred metres of cable a day.

    If there is no cable on the poles I think it tells you all you need to know.


  • #9638
    Dr. Nick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭Dr. Nick


    @Gonzo - Tara actually covers at least 4 parishes, very large area, not a townland. The 965 number probably includes me and NiallB thank God!
    @NiallB - Interesting about Kilmessan, we're lucky not to have those issues.....


  • #9639
    Grab All Association
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,939 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    _sheep wrote: »
    Guys just wondering how typical the situation is in my town compared to what others may have seen, trying to grasp how far along my town might be in the process.

    Noticed in the latest 'houses passed' listing that Borrisoleigh has '8 premises' that can get fiber, I've seen a little work in the exchange recently but nothing on the poles so thought it was unusual. In the attached screenshot towards the south are 4 of the properties which are houses - i drive this road every day and i do not see any new cabling on the poles or any splitter boxes.

    On the other side of my town is a large business (north in screenshot) that apparently is 'passed' as well (where I work luckily for this test), a request to the Eircom account manager was placed to order Fiber but she has been unsuccessful and keeps advising that she will 'let us know soon'.

    Could it be that these houses/businesses are like 'test cases' and might somehow be run fiber direct from the exchange if they ordered, or is the premises passed thing just lies half the time?

    You’re on the same exchange as myself. There’s a guy at fishmoyne who works for KN (near the water pump) he might be able to tell you more.

    The borrisoleigh exchange is lucky to have fftc. ADSL1 installed at the time ADSL2 was rolled out to smaller villages. The exchange boundary reaches Bouladuff/inch/Ragg where speeds <2mb delivered by falling poles held up with tree branches and the slightest breath knocks off your internet for weeks. Ironically during Ophelia people in Bouladuff were getting the max 2.7mbps speed (I assume other houses were without power nearby)

    Smaller villages like Pouldine (if you’d call that a village) Horse and Jockey etc got fibre cabinets. Even Holycross which is smaller than Borrisoleigh has two cabinets. Why there was no cabinet installed in Bouladuff village is puzzling. It’s not like your a 5 minutes walk away to the next house. The houses are almost clustered together.
    Population of around 400 mostly centred in the village. Housing estate. It doesn’t make sense why there wasn’t a cabinet installed.


  • #9640
    Danny Boy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 98 ✭✭Danny Boy


    https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/new-law-to-slash-rural-broadband-plan-costs-36537412.html


  • #9641
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,106 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Danny Boy wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/new-law-to-slash-rural-broadband-plan-costs-36537412.html

    That reads as "we don't care what the regulator said if it saves us money and face and screws eir"
    If it was still a public body we'd likely all be still on 1mb downloads


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  • #9642
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,848 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Everything about that seems wrong. If it's true that DCCAE wants to reduce the prices that eir charge for access to infrastructure, that's blatantly favouring enet over eir in the NBP process, which is a bit rich considering that eir's prices are already regulated, while enet's are not.

    Say what you will about ComReg, they have mechanisms for arriving at their wholesale prices. If DCCAE want to arbitrarily reduce those prices, they will find themselves in the High Court.

    Maybe the article is misreading the Department's intentions; I'll reserve further judgement until I know more.


  • #9643
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,993 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    This reminds me a bit of something that recently happened in Australia. Telstra, the equivalent of Eir, have the most comprehensive mobile network, having built towers in less densely populated rural locations, probably at a loss, in order to be able to offer the widest national coverage. Slimy Vodafone tried to get a free ride on that rural infrastructure by asking the regulator to force Telstra to allow them to use it.

    Telstra quite rightly said you can kiss any further investment in rural network infrastructure goodbye then. The regulator, thankfully, told Vodafone to get lost.


  • #9644
    turbbo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭turbbo


    fritzelly wrote: »
    If it was still a public body we'd likely all be still on 1mb downloads
    :eek: Hope you don't actually believe that!!
    Eircom and Eir have been bought and sold 7/8 times since becoming a private company. How many CEOs has it given golden handshakes too? Whilst concentrating on share price Eircon has underinvested for decades.


  • #9645
    Danny Boy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 98 ✭✭Danny Boy


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Everything about that seems wrong. If it's true that DCCAE wants to reduce the prices that eir charge for access to infrastructure, that's blatantly favouring enet over eir in the NBP process, which is a bit rich considering that eir's prices are already regulated, while enet's are not.

    Say what you will about ComReg, they have mechanisms for arriving at their wholesale prices. If DCCAE want to arbitrarily reduce those prices, they will find themselves in the High Court.

    Maybe the article is misreading the Department's intentions; I'll reserve further judgement until I know more.

    Agreed - Why would the government do something like this to one of the only two bidders for their programme?


  • #9646
    skulluser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 ✭skulluser


    Just wondering what happens if you live in a green area but have yellow lines coming in front of the house? guessing no ftth unless it is for rural places outside of an rural town?


  • #9647
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    skulluser wrote: »
    Just wondering what happens if you live in a green area but have yellow lines coming in front of the house? guessing no ftth unless it is for rural places outside of an rural town?

    in most cases those yellow lines in green areas are just running past on the way to rural homes and you have to wait. Eir don't offer FTTH in areas with FTTC unless your already along the roll-out zone and have low FTTC speeds.


  • #9648
    Jpmarn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭Jpmarn


    Got a cold call from IFA Telecom. The generally do telephone and Internet deals to IFA members who are mostly farmers like me. They had advertised previously that they would supply FTTC only that this technology isn't common on rural roads. The Salesman said that IFA would be launching on to the ftth services shortly. I already have ftth from Eir since last October. I live in the Inch St. Lawernce area in Co. Limerick.


  • #9649
    Grab All Association
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,939 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    6 KN, Eir, Defusion vans at the camogie field Bouladuff Thurles. I assume they are doing Borrisoleigh exchange now? Although no new poles yet between Borrisoleigh and Bouladuff


  • #9650
    Passatb7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 ✭Passatb7


    Grab All Association wrote: »
    6 KN, Eir, Defusion vans at the camogie field Bouladuff Thurles. I assume they are doing Borrisoleigh exchange now? Although no new poles yet between Borrisoleigh and Bouladuff

    Crews were also pulling cable through ducts yesterday afternoon on Nenagh side of Borrisoleigh.Kn van marked pole with letter L at end of yellow line outside my house today on rural backroad.


  • #9651
    Autumn Tender Thriller
    Posts: 0 ✭ Autumn Tender Thriller


    So in my area they apparently got the labeling wrong on some of the exchange points and that's why they didn't connect me.
    The KN group contractors ran as soon as they spotted the incorrect label.

    There were open eir guys working on the this yesterday and I spoke with the guy. He said they corrected it and provided me the number.

    Has this happened to anyone else? My order is still open.


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  • #9652
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Openeir have released a video to explain to customers what to expect on the day of installation.

    https://vimeo.com/agtel/review/252751321/e305f5c8b7


  • #9653
    KeRbDoG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭KeRbDoG


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    Openeir have released a video to explain to customers what to expect on the day of installation.

    https://vimeo.com/agtel/review/252751321/e305f5c8b7

    3:57 into the video - suggests the ONT converts to DSL/VDSL? That can't be right?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAN_Tpkrrtw


  • #9654
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    KeRbDoG wrote: »
    3:57 into the video - suggests the ONT converts to DSL/VDSL? That can't be right?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAN_Tpkrrtw

    No it's completely wrong. The ONT converts light to ethernet. You would think they might proof watch their videos.


  • #9655
    turbbo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭turbbo


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    No it's completely wrong. The ONT converts light to ethernet. You would think they might proof watch their videos.


    Yeah "light to DSL" was a weak point - lol. Proves their PR dept. needs a kicking.


  • #9656
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,081 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    turbbo wrote: »
    Yeah "light to DSL" was a weak point - lol. Proves their PR dept. needs a kicking.

    Not only that but it shows the ignorance of basic principles from those who are supposed to know about this.


  • #9657
    turbbo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭turbbo


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    Not only that but it shows the ignorance of basic principles from those who are supposed to know about this.

    Arra sure aren't they doing a great job connecting the chunthry folks to the intherwebs!!!


  • #9658
    fergoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 ✭fergoc


    Worrying news for those waiting for the NBP

    https://www.siliconrepublic.com/comms/eir-national-broadband-plan-exit


  • #9659
    turbbo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭turbbo


    fergoc wrote: »
    Worrying news for those waiting for the NBP

    https://www.siliconrepublic.com/comms/eir-national-broadband-plan-exit

    Wow so SR just steals news from the independent - interesting - or did Eir just ring all the news outlets to tell them that they were thinking about pulling out?

    Then they have a line like this "The decision by the incumbent operator will be a huge blow to the prestige of the project which could have been a flagship for resolving European broadband connectivity problems in rural areas."

    Never knew Eir were rolling out fibre to all of europe? Would have thought the country that by far the worst off for broadband would be ireland, so asking Eir to show Europe how it's done is a bit rich.


  • #9660
    KeRbDoG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭KeRbDoG


    This is already being discussed on the 'NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced' thread but, I'd hope that with Eir maybe dropping out they might look at the plan again and others will be interested like ESB/Siro - but for the love of jasus don't allow 'wireless solutions'


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  • #9661
    turbbo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭turbbo


    KeRbDoG wrote: »
    This is already being discussed on the 'NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced' thread but, I'd hope that with Eir maybe dropping out they might look at the plan again and others will be interested like ESB/Siro - but for the love of jasus don't allow 'wireless solutions'

    They love wireless don't they.:D


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