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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #9602
    AidenL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭AidenL


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    Yes that would annoy me too. Minister Naughten said that the 20000 extra premises were submitted to eir in November so the decision may have already been made although he says assessment is ongoing. Whether eir or the Department will make known the decision is unknown.

    I'd try to get talking to some of the KN guys doing the work as they will be best placed to tell you what the situation is. The guys replacing poles might not know the details but look out for guys spray painting poles or manholes as they will know where the distribution boxes are going to be placed.

    Actually, I suppose I'll see if splitters are fitted on any of the poles nearer town first, that might indicate that some of the amber houses in the blue zone were going to be connected?

    I see my overhead line runs through some trees, I'll have to get them trimmed pretty fast if I see any positive movement!


  • #9603
    niallb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,775 ✭✭✭niallb


    Gonzo wrote: »
    Tara is another location with a huge difference. The map claims 220 are live, while the press release states 965!

    on the plus side, that is alot of very rural homes getting FTTH that probably never even had ADSL, Tara isn't really a village, more of a scattered townland spread over a large area with a mixture of ribbon developments and one off housing.

    This might explain the discrepancy...
    Councillor Damien O'Reilly on Facebook wrote:
    #Update below,
    Kilmessan #Broadband
    #Kilmessan is being serviced via the Tara exchange. And I’ve been assured it is not full. However, there was an error made before Christmas which resulted in all of Kilmessan being added to the list of passed premises (or “pre-qualified” in eir speak).
    Unfortunately there is still a bit of civil engineering work to be done between #Tara and #Kilmessan to complete the connection.
    Rather than remove these premises off the system, which can’t be done for some reason the decision was made to use a code visible to the retail sales team which shows that the exchange is full.
    This was done to prevent any further sales taking place until after the civil work is completed.
    They anticipate this work to be completed in the next 3-4 weeks.
    I’ve asked them to look at communicating better the facts to the sales reps so that they can communicate better to customers who are enquiring about getting a service.
    Hopefully by the end of February Kilmessan this will be resolved.
    Regards,
    Cllr. Damien O'Reilly
    Tel: 086 8722645
    Email: Damien.oreilly@members.meathcoco.ie
    Ratoath Municipal District
    Meath County Council


  • #9604
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    jgbyr wrote: »
    So can they add properties that eir haven't included if it's practical to do so. That's what I'm hoping.

    The Department have asked eir to include 20000 extra premises in the rollout. As far as I can tell they cannot compel eir to pass these homes. So, in my opioion, eir can respond several ways:
    • No. We signed a contract for a specified amount of homes. This is what we'll do.
    • We will pass the 20000 extra you've requested but we need to remove 20000 others from the original plan.
    • We will pass the 20000 extra bringing the total to 320000.

    Which of these they will choose is unknown.
    AidenL wrote: »
    Actually, I suppose I'll see if splitters are fitted on any of the poles nearer town first, that might indicate that some of the amber houses in the blue zone were going to be connected?

    I see my overhead line runs through some trees, I'll have to get them trimmed pretty fast if I see any positive movement!

    If by splitter you mean distribution point (picture attached) then yes the presence of those closer to the town would be a good sign. The reason I mentioned spray paint was I assumed no cable had yet been run. So if you see poles marked with L or manholes with DP closer to the town then it would also signify good news.

    The process usually entails:

    Tree cutting > Pole Replacement > Groundwork (ducting, access chambers) > Pole Marking > Cabling > Distribution Boxes

    439890.png


  • #9605
    jgbyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭jgbyr


    Thanks for the info. The manhole outside our gate has a number on it. So unless we're added as part of the the additional 20k we're goosed really. The KN guy kept saying we'll be connected regardless what open eir say as it's just outside the gate.


  • #9606
    nilhg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,228 ✭✭✭nilhg


    Don't know if this is really of any relevance to anyone here but might be of interest.

    I'm 700+ meters from a fibre enabled cab, and have 40/7mb BB which works very well when it's working

    The line feeding my house comes up the main road underground and swings up a rural L road to service all the houses and businesses up there, the spur to my house comes up a pole, across the road and up to my house along 9 further poles, through some mature trees and into the house, there are no other dwellings on this line, any issues I've had with my BB have been down to physical damage from the line rubbing on the tree branches, usually after a storm, on average we have one length of cable replaced a year.

    Last autumn open Eir contractors moved in, firstly cutting hedges in the open season, then replacing poles then finally stringing fibre and putting distribution points on the poles, the last pole replaced in the area was the first pole in the line to my house, where the line comes up under the ground, while this was being done a fibre conduit and line was run up the pole, then later a distribution point was installed up the new pole.

    This pole, fibre and distribution point can only ever service my house, no work was done to clear the line up to my house, hedgecutting ect (it would take about 2 hours to someone with the right equipment, there's only two or three areas to do).

    Our area is now live for FTTH, my house is not on the list, I have to wait for the NBP, my brother who lives on the local road has an install date of 1st feb though his house is inside the circle around the cab and doesn't have the little blue house symbol on the rollout map.

    I don't know how much roughly 400m of fibre and some hedge cutting would have cost when the contractors were in the area, especially when open Eir are sending out a crew to fix issues with my line frequently enough you would have thought that it might make sense to get me connected to FTTH but obviously that's not the way they do business


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  • #9607
    AidenL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭AidenL


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    The Department have asked eir to include 20000 extra premises in the rollout. As far as I can tell they cannot compel eir to pass these homes. So, in my opioion, eir can respond several ways:
    • No. We signed a contract for a specified amount of homes. This is what we'll do.
    • We will pass the 20000 extra you've requested but we need to remove 20000 others from the original plan.
    • We will pass the 20000 extra bringing the total to 320000.

    Which of these they will choose is unknown.



    If by splitter you mean distribution point (picture attached) then yes the presence of those closer to the town would be a good sign. The reason I mentioned spray paint was I assumed no cable had yet been run. So if you see poles marked with L or manholes with DP closer to the town then it would also signify good news.

    The process usually entails:

    Tree cutting > Pole Replacement > Groundwork (ducting, access chambers) > Pole Marking > Cabling > Distribution Boxes

    439890.png

    Poles just went up this week.

    What does L and DP mean? And what’s the usual timescale from poles until live dates?


  • #9608
    AidenL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭AidenL


    jgbyr wrote: »
    Thanks for the info. The manhole outside our gate has a number on it. So unless we're added as part of the the additional 20k we're goosed really. The KN guy kept saying we'll be connected regardless what open eir say as it's just outside the gate.
    Is the number on the manhole not a good sign?


  • #9609
    jgbyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭jgbyr


    AidenL wrote: »
    Is the number on the manhole not a good sign?

    I don't know. The fibre will be going through it & the KN guy said we could get connected off it even though we're listed as amber.


  • #9610
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    AidenL wrote: »
    Poles just went up this week.

    What does L and DP mean?

    L stands for loop I believe. It is to inform the guys running the cable to leave a loop of cable long enough to facilitate the box installation and subsequently allow the box to be removed from the pole if splicing is required. You can see the loop in the above picture wrapped behind the box.

    They seem to mark some manholes with DP and I assume it means that a Distribution Point i.e. the above box, is going in the manhole so again leave enough cable.


  • #9611
    AidenL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭AidenL


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    L stands for loop I believe. It is to inform the guys running the cable to leave a loop of cable long enough to facilitate the box installation ans subsequently allow the box to be removed from the pole if splicing is required. You can see the loop in the above picture wrapped behind the box.

    They seem to mark some manholes with DP and I assume it means that a Distribution Point i.e. the above box, is going in the manhole so again leave enough cable.

    Thank you! I’ll keep my eyes peeled.....


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  • #9612
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    AidenL wrote: »
    Thank you! I’ll keep my eyes peeled.....

    About the time frame. In my own area it was several months, about six I think, from pole replacement to cabling being finished. They may have sped up the process now though as they will be under pressure to get the contract completed.


  • #9613
    KeRbDoG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭KeRbDoG


    KeRbDoG wrote: »
    Slowly the rollout continues, photos from the rollout in my area;
    URL="https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=438986&stc=1&d=1516212981"]Image[/URL
    The right role belongs to Eir. Thats the end of a long span when it will connect up to the underground fiber. Spool of fiber on the top from the aerial span and spool at the bottom from an underground duct.

    Anyone know the usual timeline for when these are spliced/connected up?
    Some more movement for the rollout in my area, the start of the aerial span and spool at the bottom from an underground duct have been connected up. Not the neatest job, the splice/distribution-box left on the ground a foot or two from the road. Maybe it was home/dinner time?

    439902.jpg
    439903.jpg


  • #9614
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    KeRbDoG wrote: »
    Some more movement for the rollout in my area, the start of the aerial span and spool at the bottom from an underground duct have been connected up. Not the neatest job, the splice/distribution-box left on the ground a foot or two from the road. Maybe it was home/dinner time?

    That is pretty shoddy alright. They could have at least taped it to the pole like their colleagues in Galway!

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102828186&postcount=3792


  • #9615
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Looks like it fell off!
    perhaps they forgot to clip it into place.


  • #9616
    Gboyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 ✭Gboyd


    Where are people getting the specific quarter dates for their areas? The checker simply states second half of 2018 for me ....


  • #9617
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Gboyd wrote: »
    Where are people getting the specific quarter dates for their areas? The checker simply states second half of 2018 for me ....

    On http://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/ or http://www.openeir.ie/Our_Network/#nga-map if you zoom into your area and click the exchange icon you should get a popup stating "Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s is..." Spring, Summer, Autumn etc.


  • #9618
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,081 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    On http://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/ or http://www.openeir.ie/Our_Network/#nga-map if you zoom into your area and click the exchange icon you should get a popup stating "Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s is..." Spring, Summer, Autumn etc.

    No info about rural roll out now for me ..... it used to be there but the 'message' has changed.

    Do you see the same?


  • #9619
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    No info about rural roll out now for me ..... it used to be there but the 'message' has changed.

    Do you see the same?

    For your particular exchange or all exchanges? I tend to use http://www.openeir.ie/Our_Network/#nga-map as it is quicker to navigate and it seems to be working.


  • #9620
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,081 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    For your particular exchange or all exchanges? I tend to use http://www.openeir.ie/Our_Network/#nga-map as it is quicker to Allison Puny Appetitegate and it seems to be working.

    All I get is the following message
    This cabinet is now live. If you live nearby then high speed services may be available to you. Visit our line / address lookup to test the speed available at your address.

    All I have tried are like that .... no exchange info, only cab info.

    EDIT:

    Damn! The box was not ticked for "Fibre Services Live" and so the exchange was not showing up.

    Apologies ;)


  • #9621
    Gboyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 ✭Gboyd


    That’s interesting, I’ve just checked both maps and my exchange has just turned green.

    It states ‘Fibre Build commenced - completion work is in progress’

    That has to be good news right, it was blue before the map update on 22nd Jan.

    No dates or seasons however.


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  • #9622
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    All I get is the following message



    All I have tried are like that .... no exchange info, only cab info.

    Did you click the "All" box under "SELECT EXCHANGE STATUS:"? A bubble should popup. Click on that and the information should be there.


  • #9623
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,106 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Can anyone explain why the retail side of eir maintains the same name as eir wholesale?
    Are they still the same company? Would have thought if they are run as a separate business which it appears to be then they should have a seperate name - like wholesale deal with all telecom companies from the infrastructure side of things and the retail side is the same as sky, vodafone etc

    Like the ESB did and now the retail side is Electric Ireland


  • #9624
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Gboyd wrote: »
    That’s interesting, I’ve just checked both maps and my exchange has just turned green.

    It states ‘Fibre Build commenced - completion work is in progress’

    That has to be good news right, it was blue before the map update on 22nd Jan.

    No dates or seasons however.

    If you don't mind stating what exchange it is I can see if it's any different on my end.


  • #9625
    Gboyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 ✭Gboyd


    Ah, clicking the ‘All’ box has indeed worked.

    Oddly it changes the icon from green back to blue and states Winter 2018.

    Oh well, I’ll add my exchange (it’s Timahoe btw) to the list of Q4 exchanges that’ll never happen ....


  • #9626
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,081 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    Did you click the "All" box under "SELECT EXCHANGE STATUS:"? A bubble should popup. Click on that and the information should be there.

    I had edited my post ... just not quick enough :(

    Fibre Services Live needed to be ticked and wasn't

    Thanks.


  • #9627
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Can anyone explain why the retail side of eir maintains the same name as eir wholesale?
    Are they still the same company? Would have thought if they are run as a separate business which it appears to be then they should have a seperate name - like wholesale deal with all telecom companies from the infrastructure side of things and the retail side is the same as sky, vodafone etc

    Like the ESB did and now the retail side is Electric Ireland

    They are the same company as far as I know. Comreg were looking into having them "functionally split" as is the case in the UK.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/comreg-publishes-tender-for-review-of-eir-s-dominant-position-1.2563694

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/comreg-under-fire-for-not-sanctioning-eir-over-practices-1.2651072

    https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/very-unlikely-eirs-wholesale-and-retail-divisions-will-split-insists-boss-35221844.html


  • #9628
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Gboyd wrote: »
    Ah, clicking the ‘All’ box has indeed worked.

    Oddly it changes the icon from green back to blue and states Winter 2018.

    Oh well, I’ll add my exchange (it’s Timahoe btw) to the list of Q4 exchanges that’ll never happen ....

    The green commenced dot is referring to TOE1_E01 which could mean that they are in the process of enabling exchange VDSL (FTTC) for the area. The FTTH would be separate crews I believe.


  • #9629
    Gboyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 ✭Gboyd


    That’s interesting, that would still be good news as I’m very close to the exchange and right now the exchange doesn’t even support broadband full stop.


  • #9630
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,106 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    @navi can only read the independent article but seems like a lot of excuses, never heard of apis and the likes


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  • #9631
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    They are the same company as far as I know. Comreg were looking into having them "functionally split" as is the case in the UK

    They are the same company, but essentially been split. They're even on different floors of the building and not supposed to be talking to each other "personally" or "direct". Nor share information.

    The problem is, that some staff works for both Eir and OpenEIR part time. Which is a complete different conundrum.

    But alone the fact, that they're still part of the same overall company and that they're in the same building is a huge problem.

    And there is clear evidence that Eir is fed data before any other partner .. more than often.

    /M


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