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Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

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    #3002
    trellheim
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    That T2 Spar is probably one of the most useful shops in the airport , its nearly the very definition of a convenience store if you need to grab milk or bread before heading home in a taxi.

    It sells perfectly serviceable coffee already at a decent price.


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    #3003
    goingnowhere
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    trellheim wrote: »
    That T2 Spar is probably one of the most useful shops in the airport , its nearly the very definition of a convenience store if you need to grab milk or bread before heading home in a taxi.

    Exactly, it serves a actual need

    But why would the DAA want to make the airport suit passengers needs, they are looking for ways to extract as much cash out of us as possible, hence the jungle like experience behind the T1 security and the ridiculous obstacle course in T2 where the gates are hidden


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    #3004
    MJohnston
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    goingnowhere wrote: »
    Exactly, it serves a actual need

    But why would the DAA want to make the airport suit passengers needs, they are looking for ways to extract as much cash out of us as possible, hence the jungle like experience behind the T1 security and the ridiculous obstacle course in T2 where the gates are hidden

    That doesn't really make sense - why would a coffee shop vs a Spar make DAA more cash from passengers?


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    #3005
    Jamie2k9
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    MJohnston wrote: »
    That doesn't really make sense - why would a coffee shop vs a Spar make DAA more cash from passengers?

    The retailer may be prepared to pay higher rent. WH Smith offer almost an identical range so why have two shops when a cafe would suit a lot more people waiting for arrivals and or those arriving passengers.

    The reality is here that Spar were unlikely to renew the contract.
    That T2 Spar is probably one of the most useful shops in the airport , its nearly the very definition of a convenience store if you need to grab milk or bread before heading home in a taxi.

    It sells perfectly serviceable coffee already at a decent price.

    You can stop at Topaz or the other Spar instead....

    Spar is just a rip off anyway.


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    #3006
    orionm_73
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    MJohnston wrote: »
    That doesn't really make sense - why would a coffee shop vs a Spar make DAA more cash from passengers?

    The DAA make money from the rent paid by the retailer. I would imagine a big coffee chain with international presence has offered more in rent than the incumbent Spar.


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    #3007
    rushfan
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    goingnowhere wrote:
    But why would the DAA want to make the airport suit passengers needs, they are looking for ways to extract as much cash out of us as possible, hence the jungle like experience behind the T1 security and the ridiculous obstacle course in T2 where the gates are hidden


    How do you mean by "the gates are hidden?


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    #3008
    salmocab
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    I’ve used that spar for the likes of bread and milk on the way home but it never seemed busier than any other spar and with airport rental prices I’d say it’s a tight enough operation with little room for bigger rental fees.


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    #3009
    MJohnston
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    orionm_73 wrote: »
    The DAA make money from the rent paid by the retailer. I would imagine a big coffee chain with international presence has offered more in rent than the incumbent Spar.

    I'd have my doubts about that tbh, but possibly also Spar didn't want to compete because they didn't find it profitable though?


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    #3010
    L1011
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    Most of the 'rents' in the airport are turnover % rather than fixed rents; I would imagine a branded coffee shop will have a lower turnover but could possibly offer a far higher % due to the huge margins. Margins on many newsagent style items are extremely thin (smokes, lotto, newspapers, payzone are specifically poor). Margin on coffee and buns is astronomical.


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    #3011
    trellheim
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    You can stop at Topaz or the other Spar instead....

    Spar is just a rip off anyway.
    But if I'm in a taxi I dont want to get out into the cold again till I'm at my own front door :) Agree its convenience pricing but in this case.... it IS a convenience :) !!!


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    #3012
    goingnowhere
    Registered Users Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    rushfan wrote: »
    How do you mean by "the gates are hidden?
    Buried as far away from security, hidden behind a corner


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    #3013
    rushfan
    Registered Users Posts: 970 ✭✭✭rushfan


    goingnowhere wrote:
    Buried as far away from security, hidden behind a corner


    Hidden? Are you for real? Do you genuinely have difficulty reading flight information screens? Can you not follow the route to the gates? How come 28 million pax manage to find these mysteriously hidden gates?


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    #3014
    LXFlyer
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    rushfan wrote: »
    Hidden? Are you for real? Do you genuinely have difficulty reading flight information screens? Can you not follow the route to the gates? How come 28 million pax manage to find these mysteriously hidden gates?

    I think that the other poster’s point is that you are forced to pass through the entire retail area in T2 to get to the 400 gates (and then double back on yourself a bit before going down the escalators). There’s no direct route that bypasses it.

    But clearly that’s how the airport generates revenue, so it’s not really unexpected.


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    #3015
    rushfan
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    LXFlyer wrote:
    I think that the other poster’s point is that you are forced to pass through the entire retail area in T2 to get to the 400 gates (and then double back on yourself a bit before going down the escalators). There’s no direct route that bypasses it.


    I would disagree. You're not really FORCED through the retail area in T2. More so in T1 because of the serpentine curve through the shops. But to suggest that the gates are hidden is utter nonsense to be frank.


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    #3016
    goingnowhere
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    rushfan wrote: »
    Hidden? Are you for real? Do you genuinely have difficulty reading flight information screens? Can you not follow the route to the gates? How come 28 million pax manage to find these mysteriously hidden gates?

    DAA has set up a maze in T2 which requires you to loop around

    Into security, exit left, then turn right, navigate the obstacle course, left and left again. Its designed to force you to walk past the entire spread of expensive retail outlets

    You could if the DAA hadn't built all those walls walk in a straight line from security to the escalators down to the gates

    The 300 gates entrance in T1 buried among a pile of cosmetic shops

    It doesn't facilitate quick movement through the airport, lots of pinch points as you navigate around people gawping at the shops.

    Compared to T2 LHR, straight out of security, head down, gates are there, wide unobstructed isles.


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    #3017
    rushfan
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    Christ, spare me from the snowflake generation.


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    #3018
    [Deleted User]
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    Dublin airport is on a par with pretty much ever other major airport that I’ve been through including Heathrow T2 where you still have to pass by lots of shops, restaurants and seating areas to access a gate.


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    #3019
    lord lucan
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    goingnowhere wrote: »
    DAA has set up a maze in T2 which requires you to loop around

    Into security, exit left, then turn right, navigate the obstacle course, left and left again. Its designed to force you to walk past the entire spread of expensive retail outlets

    You could if the DAA hadn't built all those walls walk in a straight line from security to the escalators down to the gates

    The 300 gates entrance in T1 buried among a pile of cosmetic shops

    It doesn't facilitate quick movement through the airport, lots of pinch points as you navigate around people gawping at the shops.

    Compared to T2 LHR, straight out of security, head down, gates are there, wide unobstructed isles.

    You're really going to love the new layout of retail in T2 when it's completed in 18 months!!

    ****Sarcasm****


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    #3020
    Jamie2k9
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    trellheim wrote: »
    But if I'm in a taxi I dont want to get out into the cold again till I'm at my own front door :) Agree its convenience pricing but in this case.... it IS a convenience :) !!!

    Send the driver in for a few extra quid :D


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    #3021
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 10,678 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    goingnowhere wrote: »
    DAA has set up a maze in T2 which requires you to loop around

    Into security, exit left, then turn right, navigate the obstacle course, left and left again. Its designed to force you to walk past the entire spread of expensive retail outlets

    You could if the DAA hadn't built all those walls walk in a straight line from security to the escalators down to the gates

    The 300 gates entrance in T1 buried among a pile of cosmetic shops

    It doesn't facilitate quick movement through the airport, lots of pinch points as you navigate around people gawping at the shops.

    Compared to T2 LHR, straight out of security, head down, gates are there, wide unobstructed isles.

    DUB is probally one of the best airports around in terms of layout from security to gate. Shops are part of the experience, look at places like LGW where you must do a 360 almost and then more shops before you can get to gates.


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    #3022
    Tenger
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Dublin airport is on a par with pretty much ever other major airport that I’ve been through including Heathrow T2 where you still have to pass by lots of shops, restaurants and seating areas to access a gate.
    I went thru FCO in 2015. Checked in T1, felt like Iwas walking thru Dundrum enroute to the end of the terminal. (Bus transfer to T3)


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    #3023
    [Deleted User]
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    Tenger wrote: »
    I went thru FCO in 2015. Checked in T1, felt like Iwas walking thru Dundrum enroute to the end of the terminal. (Bus transfer to T3)

    Barcelona is the same, endless shops. Orlando is by far the worst I’ve experienced.


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    #3024
    nsa0bupkd3948x
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Barcelona is the same, endless shops. Orlando is by far the worst I’ve experienced.

    Sanford or International? I'd have said MCO is one of the better ones for not making you have to walk through shops. Unless they have recently changed one of the concourses.


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    #3025
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    Ameer Breezy Trial wrote: »
    Sanford or International? I'd have said MCO is one of the better ones for not making you have to walk through shops. Unless they have recently changed one of the concourses.

    MCO pre security i just a shopping mall and a hotel lobby with carpet.


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    #3026
    nsa0bupkd3948x
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    MCO pre security i just a shopping mall and a hotel lobby with carpet.

    Thats interesting you see it that way. To me MCO is the opposite of a shopping mall.

    Go in to check in hall - no shops. If you go straight to security then you might pass one or two small ones. Its not like you're forced to navigate a maze thru shops.

    It's only if you walk from one end to the other past the food court there is the line of shops.


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    #3027
    TheFitz13
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    Sorry to derail the thread but that snow would hardly stop flights tomorrow? Due to fly out at 4pm tomorrow.


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    #3028
    Noxegon
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    Agreed with Pat - I frequently buy milk at that Spar on the way home. I hope whatever replaces it will sell milk too.

    I develop Superior Solitaire when I'm not procrastinating on boards.ie.



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    #3029
    Jamie2k9
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    TheFitz13 wrote: »
    Sorry to derail the thread but that snow would hardly stop flights tomorrow? Due to fly out at 4pm tomorrow.

    It shouldn't.


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    #3030
    JCX BXC
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    TheFitz13 wrote: »
    Sorry to derail the thread but that snow would hardly stop flights tomorrow? Due to fly out at 4pm tomorrow.

    God no, check the forecast! Will be well too warm and raining by then!

    Although, this brings me on to my remark of Dublin's inability to clear snow in an efficient manner.

    Snow stopped around 23:30-23:45 at the airport, with the first estmate of reopening at 00:20. However, this has been continually pushed back to eventually reaching 01:15 now, and still likely to be later. Why has the airport such an inability to deal with snow? Has nothing been learned since 2010?


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    #3031
    Pat Dunne
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    So the job of clearing the snow took 55 minutes longer to do than originally anticipated. Its all very easy to be critical when you're wrapped up nice and warm typing furiously over a hot keyboard and not out on a dark miserable night with the wind and snow. I say well done to the ground crews who did a great job tonight in what were far from ideal conditions.


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