Rosemary Mac Cabe suggests #yesallmen...then claims she was joking

Grayson · 17-01-2018 12:37AM

splinter65 wrote: »

I’m a woman and I’ve no doubt that over the years I’ve said inappropriate and offensive things unintentionally to both sexes.
You know, in the normal course of conversation at work , socializing , family gatherings etc
So what?
No really tell me. What’s the problem?
If im in company then there’s a good chance if I say “Mary your dress is gorgeous it really suits you” that someone else is going to say to themselves “always with the remarks about people’s clothes Jesus everything is a fashion show with her”
Why should I care? If I’m not using foul language or verbally insulting someone or pontificatingcabout politics or religion then if other people take offense then that’s really their problem, not mine.

I did say there are people who don't care. If you don't want to care if you might be offending someone, you're free to do so.

Personally I don't want to offend people though a careless utterance. It's not that I'm stepping on eggshells but I feel occasional introspection is a good thing.

splinter65 · 17-01-2018 12:51AM

Grayson wrote: »

I did say there are people who don't care. If you don't want to care if you might be offending someone, you're free to do so.

Personally I don't want to offend people though a careless utterance. It's not that I'm stepping on eggshells but I feel occasional introspection is a good thing.

In 2017 every time you open your mouth in company with the briefest utterance you’ll have offended someone because being in a state of perpetual outrage about something or other is the “thing” at the moment. And people like to be up to date with the latest “thing”.
I’m quite confident that quite soon there will be a very satisfying backlash wherein the ones squeeling “how dare you how hurtful how offensive “ etc will be told to go away and **** themselves.
I’m starting to see the beginnings of it already, thank God.
Instead of worrying how PC people’s dialogue is I think myself it would be much more beneficial all round if people thought a bit more about how they can do kind deeds for people who need a bit of kindness in their lives.
Buy an old man living in his own a bar of fruit and nut.
Bring back in the bins for that mother parenting on her own.
Offer your neighbor a lift home from the bookies.

the_pen_turner · 17-01-2018 12:53AM

shampoosuicide wrote: »

this isn't about saying accidentally offensive stuff, or it's not what i was referring to.

it's about for example acting in a certain way, that causes a woman to feel fearful for her safety. feeling that if she says the wrong thing then a situation could escalate. reacting a certain way when you're rejected. surely the most stubborn poster in this thread can admit that, generally speaking, men respond to rejection a lot worse (outwardly) than women do?

people keep doing this 'not all men/i know a woman who.. blah blah' dance. look, i get why men (being a man) take issue with this stuff, even if people make themselves look silly in juat how defensive they get about it. but it's really, really simple. just have some empathy. instead of dismissing someone as an attention-seeker, try to see things from their perspective.

and if you and your friends are as virtuous as you all say, you have nothing to fear from all this stuff that's going on at the moment. let other people fight their own battles.

I would agree if someone tweeted a once off remark about something that happened to them.
but in this case its years of spouting hatred about all men that is not based on any kind of facts

17-01-2018 12:57AM

Yeah, but would you Smash or Pass?

MonkieSocks · 17-01-2018 01:14AM

JayZeus wrote: »

Yeah, but would you Smash or Pass?

Pass, Didn't know who she was, so googled her.

She reminds me of Big Bird from Sesame Street,only minus the feathers

Grayson · 17-01-2018 01:22AM

splinter65 wrote: »

In 2017 every time you open your mouth in company with the briefest utterance you’ll have offended someone because being in a state of perpetual outrage about something or other is the “thing” at the moment. And people like to be up to date with the latest “thing”.
I’m quite confident that quite soon there will be a very satisfying backlash wherein the ones squeeling “how dare you how hurtful how offensive “ etc will be told to go away and **** themselves.
I’m starting to see the beginnings of it already, thank God.
Instead of worrying how PC people’s dialogue is I think myself it would be much more beneficial all round if people thought a bit more about how they can do kind deeds for people who need a bit of kindness in their lives.
Buy an old man living in his own a bar of fruit and nut.
Bring back in the bins for that mother parenting on her own.
Offer your neighbor a lift home from the bookies.

Jaysus, that's a lot of not caring you're doing.

All I said is that it's not a bad thing if occasionally we think about what we're saying. If you think that's a crazy idea, then that's your issue.

the_pen_turner · 17-01-2018 01:26AM

looking at yourself and thinking about how you interact with other people is a good thing.
problem is when you do something extremely minor (like admiring someone's features) and conclude that you must be a rapist and need to be punished , and that all people like you are rapists .

get a grip. there is a huge diference

the_pen_turner · 17-01-2018 01:53AM

shampoosuicide wrote: »

who is coming to that conclusion here?

you are.
your saying she is right and that all men need to look at themselves

RabbleRouser2k · 17-01-2018 02:55AM

shampoosuicide wrote: »

this isn't about saying accidentally offensive stuff, or it's not what i was referring to.

it's about for example acting in a certain way, that causes a woman to feel fearful for her safety. feeling that if she says the wrong thing then a situation could escalate. reacting a certain way when you're rejected. surely the most stubborn poster in this thread can admit that, generally speaking, men respond to rejection a lot worse (outwardly) than women do?.

and if you and your friends are as virtuous as you all say, you have nothing to fear from all this stuff that's going on at the moment. let other people fight their own battles.

You're joking,right?

You have never experienced a woman becoming hostile to being rejected? Asking 'what's wrong with me? Why won't you date me, etc?' Or incredibly ticked off when you call her a 'friend'? Or what about when she gets dumped? Not uncommon to damage a guy's property as retaliation.
In my own experience, I have rejected girls who turned hostile upon being rejected. Everything from taking stuff that didn't belong to them, to nasty rumours directed at me.
And I've been the luckier one compared to others.

If a guy gets rejected, his emotions are gonna be much more muted in comparison.

Calhoun · 17-01-2018 04:43AM

Aww so cute trying to get that career as a social commentator off the ground. Like a jack of all trades in online articles to stay relevant.

She wrote journal article at the start of the mount and she was credited as a personal trainer.

Would you really take advice from a person like this?

RabbleRouser2k · 17-01-2018 06:06AM

Helen Better Curler wrote: »

There's been uproar in the blogging community and all the big bloggers have come under fire and have had loads of attention. I'm wondering if someone's feeling left out?!

I thought blogs went out of fashion-its twitter or insta now.

And what uproar was this?

Also, is it true she was disparaging gyms? She works for a gym, even lists it in her profile...that's a major bias in her own views.
She used to be a journo/ editor-she knows this crud.

Calhoun wrote: »

Aww so cute trying to get that career as a social commentator off the ground. Like a jack of all trades in online articles to stay relevant.

She wrote journal article at the start of the mount and she was credited as a personal trainer.

Would you really take advice from a person like this?

And now she has a patreon. Yes, she expects people to pay her for her nonsense. Which means she'll possibly get support from Louise O'Neill and co.
But if she couldn't make money from blogging, and hocking wares on Instagram, what makes her think people will pay for her stuff on Patreon?

Reati · 17-01-2018 10:58AM

Omackeral wrote: »

I think she needs a good all fashioned rogering, with expressed written consent of course.

OldGoat · 17-01-2018 11:16AM

Is there anything, anything at all on the face of this planet that ALL men do?
Apart from breathing.

N.B. I checked, there ARE men who claim to never have cranked one out.

FTA69 · 17-01-2018 11:59AM

splinter65 wrote: »

In 2017 every time you open your mouth in company with the briefest utterance you’ll have offended someone because being in a state of perpetual outrage about something or other is the “thing” at the moment. And people like to be up to date with the latest “thing”.
I’m quite confident that quite soon there will be a very satisfying backlash wherein the ones squeeling “how dare you how hurtful how offensive “ etc will be told to go away and **** themselves.
I’m starting to see the beginnings of it already, thank God.
Instead of worrying how PC people’s dialogue is I think myself it would be much more beneficial all round if people thought a bit more about how they can do kind deeds for people who need a bit of kindness in their lives.
Buy an old man living in his own a bar of fruit and nut.
Bring back in the bins for that mother parenting on her own.
Offer your neighbor a lift home from the bookies.

There's a lot to be said for basic manners like. It would solve a lot of these problems.

Mr. Incognito · 17-01-2018 11:59AM

Is this something to do with the Stop Kony movement?

Hows that going

17-01-2018 12:03PM

FTA69 wrote: »

There's a lot to be said for basic manners like. It would solve a lot of these problems.

also a lot can be said for people to stop trying to look for offense in everything nowadays to gain 15 mins of fame on social media

FTA69 · 17-01-2018 12:07PM

Miller Vast Killer wrote: »

also a lot can be said for people to stop trying to look for offense in everything nowadays to gain 15 mins of fame on social media

As a non-binary trout of colour I find that offensive and belittling.

FishOnABike · 17-01-2018 12:49PM

FTA69 wrote: »

As a non-binary trout of colour I find that offensive and belittling.

This sort of nonsense is just piscine me off.

Boom_Bap · 17-01-2018 12:50PM

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Is this something to do with the Stop Kony movement?

Hows that going

That's soooooo 2012

Debtocracy · 17-01-2018 01:10PM

Something interesting about the whole #metoo discourse is the degree to which women will attack average/normal guys. Now the average man has nothing to do with this as the whole point is men in power, using their power to make unwanted advances at women. But women will blame the average man for almost creating a rape culture that facilitates powerful men (as if they wait around for their subordinate’s approval).

My sense is that women get angry at average guys because they’re an easier target, they’re less powerful. Throughout evolutionary history, the dominant, powerful man has always been an attractive mate for women so attacking him can feel a bit weird. They feel a lot more comfortable displacing their anger onto the average guy.

silverharp · 17-01-2018 01:21PM

I had to google her, apparently she is a "social influencer" lol

Mr.Micro · 17-01-2018 03:17PM

All men getting the blame for the small percentage of men who treat women badly. It's becoming mass hysteria, so much so that people are losing the run of themselves. It's tired already.

17-01-2018 03:27PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

All men getting the blame for the small percentage of men who treat women badly. It's becoming mass hysteria, so much so that people are losing the run of themselves. It's tired already.

Group responsibility. It's hardly anything new. It makes it easier to be a bigot. And that's what the feminist (women's rights) movements are doing. Encouraging sexism against men. God forbid, that anyone suggest applying the same measures of responsibility towards "women". Don't you know? Women can't be sexist. Just like black people can't be racist. :rolleyes:

minikin · 17-01-2018 03:31PM

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Is this something to do with the Stop Kony movement?

Hows that going

They released a new model with colour coded bumpers, sales are up.

17-01-2018 03:44PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

All men getting the blame for the small percentage of men who treat women badly. It's becoming mass hysteria, so much so that people are losing the run of themselves. It's tired already.

It's going to get far worse before it even starts to get better.

You can see it in the attitudes about the Aziz Anzari case. It doesn't matter that the information released came directly from a gossip magazine. It's taken automatically as being accurate. Even as various media are stating that it's a terrible action, the common perception is that it's fine to judge his behavior. He might not be a rapist or abuser, but he is a scumbag. All because they accept the article as being accurate... without any evidence or acknowledgment that it was edited before publishing.

This focus on harassment or abuse by "men" means that claims no longer need to be proven before they gain the support of the public. Justifications are being made regularly for not including the police because the system doesn't support women... and so, they have "right on their side" to act without due process or evidence.

Lynching anyone?

Skedaddle · 17-01-2018 03:50PM

I'm not agreeing with her, but maybe she was joking? Tone/sarcasm doesn't tend to translate into tweets.

You can't say anything on Twitter without getting torn apart.

I'm really getting fed up with these social media storms. It's one witch hunt, ironically feeding into another witch hunt.
The main thing is everyone's absolutely outraged by everyone else at all times.

Remember the days we used to be optimistic that the internet would be a great place? Then along came social media...

givyjoe · 17-01-2018 03:55PM

Skedaddle wrote: »

I'm not agreeing with her, but maybe she was joking? Tone/sarcasm doesn't tend to translate into tweets.

You can't say anything on Twitter without getting torn apart.

I'm really getting fed up with these social media storms. It's one witch hunt, ironically feeding into another witch hunt.
The main thing is everyone's absolutely outraged by everyone else at all times.

Remember the days we used to be optimistic that the internet would be a great place? Then along came social media...

She wasn't joking, she defended the tweet multiple times to others afterwards. I'm not sure at what point afterwards she eventually claimed to be 'joking'.

Just to add, she followed it up with ...'....And please don’t @ me with your “that’s such feminist BS” crap. @ me with your tales of how you stood up to toxic masculinity; how you saw your mate grope someone in a bar and told him it wasn’t on. (And no: You don’t get points for NOT abusing someone.)...' Hilarious.

17-01-2018 04:02PM

Skedaddle wrote: »

I'm not agreeing with her, but maybe she was joking? Tone/sarcasm doesn't tend to translate into tweets.

TBH i don't see why she should be excused even if she was joking. As a male, If I was to tweet that about women as a clear joke, I'd still get ripped apart.

These double standards need to be squashed.

There is a definite push for men to be very careful about what we say about women... but no push for women to do the same. Instead, when women do it, it's witty or funny.

Yeah. Hilarious. And extremely tiresome.

retro:electro · 17-01-2018 04:11PM

Skedaddle wrote: »

I'm not agreeing with her, but maybe she was joking? Tone/sarcasm doesn't tend to translate into tweets.

You can't say anything on Twitter without getting torn apart.

I'm really getting fed up with these social media storms. It's one witch hunt, ironically feeding into another witch hunt.
The main thing is everyone's absolutely outraged by everyone else at all times.

Remember the days we used to be optimistic that the internet would be a great place? Then along came social media...

Was she joking here too? She posts shlt like this all the time

Poor thing can't get a minutes peace.

tomwaterford · 17-01-2018 04:13PM

anna080 wrote: »

Was she joking here too? She posts shlt like this all the time

Maybe she's just trolling?

Or else in need of some serious therapy

Rosemary Mac Cabe suggests #yesallmen...then claims she was joking

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