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Breaking: At least 1 man dead after stabbing rampage in Dundalk

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    #242
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I would imagine they already do??!!

    Who knows? They're unhappy with the last minister anyway.


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    #243
    BoroMan32
    Registered Users Posts: 616 ✭✭✭BoroMan32


    JimmyMcGill wrote: »
    What's the general take or consensus? Or are they appealing for help again?

    Confirmed they believe he is an Egyptian National but basically haven't a clue how long he was here, why he was here etc....


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    #244
    ebbsy
    Registered Users Posts: 6,746 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    BoroMan32 wrote: »
    Confirmed they believe he is an Egyptian National but basically haven't a clue how long he was here, why he was here etc....

    Egypt......Mmmmmmmm...............


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    #245
    Hammeron Frazier
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭Hammeron Frazier


    Strazdas wrote: »
    This could just as easily have been carried out by a lone Irish nutcase.

    Trying to bring multiculturalism or hard borders into it would be a massive overreaction (there have been numerous random assaults going on in this country for years....people being attacked in the street by complete strangers at nighttime and left injured or unconscious).

    Please try to understand that the issue in this case is about 'intention'.

    Radical ideologies that inspire people to commit murder should not be downplayed or dismissed.


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    #246
    testaccount123
    Registered Users Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭testaccount123


    Strazdas wrote: »
    This could just as easily have been carried out by a lone Irish nutcase.

    Ah of course, first it was 'it'll never happen in Ireland', now its 'nothing to see here, it could have been an Irish person'.

    The inevitability of it all is depressing. Further attacks on a larger scale are to come. Better get the whataboutery prepared for those.


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    #247
    kaymin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭kaymin


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    How do you know that it is a systemic weakness in our border control laws. Did you know that elected politicians created these laws? Which inadequate processes are to blame? Apart from 'seem', you have no evidence for anything you are saying.

    Do you work in the DoJ or something? I can't spell it out any clearer to you -

    DoJ is responsible for enforcing our border control laws and influencing politicians to strengthen such laws. No reasonable person would say they have covered themselves in glory when someone refused asylum in the UK is allowed come to Ireland and murder someone.


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    #248
    [Deleted User]
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    FionnK86 wrote: »
    Police on scene within minutes.. guess that shuts up argument that we're not prepared.
    As opposed to what? Hours?


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    #249
    ebbsy
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    Whoever let this person in should be shot.


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    #250
    Omackeral
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    BoroMan32 wrote: »
    Confirmed they believe he is an Egyptian National but basically haven't a clue how long he was here, why he was here etc....

    That's worrying. Not the fact he's Egyptian (if he is) but the fact they know nothing about him or how long he's here. Who else are we harboring here?


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    #251
    ThisRegard
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    Hammeron Frazier wrote: »
    Any sensible person will look for "intent" when it comes to violent crime, especially when the victims are seemingly random. If two drunk men get into a fight over a games of cards the intention by one or the other is not the same as the(possible in this case) intention of a man who is driven by a radical ideology to kill 'Westerners' or whatever.
    testaccount123 wrote: »
    Eh, what?

    These terrorist attacks are carried out in the name of Islam against the west, there is 'a reason' for them.

    Someone claimed that when there's a random attack, it's not random, it's terrorism. A guy was sent to hospital and is in a serious condition as a result of one such random attack a day or two ago.


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    #252
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    kaymin wrote: »
    'Initial investigations indicate that he may have applied to remain in the UK, but may have been refused and entered Ireland following the refusal.'

    Another great performance from the Dept of Justice

    Garda believe they were random attacks (meaning terrorism).

    Yeah. He travelled to N Ireland in the ferry and got the bus to Dublin.
    There are no border checks and we don’t want any border checks.
    What’s that got to do with the Dept of Justice?


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    #253
    Pac1Man
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    ebbsy wrote: »
    Whoever let this person in should be shot.

    Give him a break. Him spent four years in an Egyptian prison for a crime he didn't commit.


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    #254
    FionnK86
    Registered Users Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭FionnK86


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Whoever let this person in should be shot.

    Whoever would let you decide immigration policy should be shot.


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    #255
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,520 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Hammeron Frazier wrote:
    Radical ideologies that inspire people to commit murder should not be downplayed or dismissed.
    testaccount123 wrote:
    The inevitability of it all is depressing. Further attacks on a larger scale are to come. Better get the whataboutery prepared for those.

    In the last week there have been stabbings in Dublin, Limerick and Cavan also.

    Maybe ye'd be best moving to the bomb shelter and locking the doors immediately.


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    #256
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    kaymin wrote: »
    Do you work in the DoJ or something? I can't spell it out any clearer to you -

    No, I don't.
    DoJ is responsible for enforcing our border control laws and influencing
    politicians to strengthen such laws.

    For the third time, the DoJ is not responsible for "influencing politicians to strengthen such laws".
    No reasonable person would say they have covered themselves in glory when
    someone refused asylum in the UK is allowed come to Ireland and murder
    someone

    Yeah. For the third time, is that what happened? If so, why and how did it happen?

    Or are you just going to repeat your "It's all the fault of the DoJ" mantra?


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    #257
    splinter65
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    kaymin wrote: »
    Do you work in the DoJ or something? I can't spell it out any clearer to you -

    DoJ is responsible for enforcing our border control laws and influencing politicians to strengthen such laws. No reasonable person would say they have covered themselves in glory when someone refused asylum in the UK is allowed come to Ireland and murder someone.

    What do you mean “allowed” to come to Ireland?
    He could just go to Scotland get on the ferry to N Ireland (all the UK) and make his way on a bus to Ireland.
    Being in Dundalk, that’s probably what happened?
    Who do you want to blame?


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    #258
    Omackeral
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Someone claimed that when there's a random attack, it's not random, it's terrorism. A guy was sent to hospital and is in a serious condition as a result of one such random attack a day or two ago.

    A guy (regrettably) got injured in a drunken argument/brawl over a taxi on one of the busiest nights of the year vs a guy getting stabbed to death by an absolute randomer at 9am. Oh yeah, and he also stabbed two other people unprovoked and unknown to him for good measure.

    Try again. .


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    #259
    [Deleted User]
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    That's worrying. Not the fact he's Egyptian (if he is) but the fact they know nothing about him or how long he's here. Who else are we harboring here?
    Apparently he recently had an interaction with Gardai to do with his immigration status. But they have no address for him...


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    #260
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    What's the story with Europe these says?

    Over 1,000 cars torched in France on NYE, over 500 arrest, female police officer kicked around the street by gang.
    German women cattled into a pen to keep them safe from sexual attacks on NYE, confidence in Merkel at an all time low.
    London overtakes NYC for crime levels (they also had x4 fatal stabbing on NYE), not to mention they're now the acid attack capital of the world.

    RIP to the victim.

    Europe. Pull up your pants.


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    #261
    Deise Vu
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    ebbsy wrote: »
    Whoever let this person in should be shot.

    Is the fact that it happened in Dundalk coincidental? Did this guy just maybe just drive across the border?

    As usual these threads jump straight to the nuclear button and there is no sensible discussion about what should we do when we witness barbarity in another country and are faced with the decision to do nothing about it or else help the victims but run the risk importing that barbarity.

    Not good choices but any chance of rational discussion of lending assistance with a lot safeguards included?



    Naw, I didn't think so either.


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    #262
    ebbsy
    Registered Users Posts: 6,746 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    I'm moving to America.

    Trumpland.


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    #263
    testaccount123
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Someone claimed that when there's a random attack, it's not random, it's terrorism. A guy was sent to hospital and is in a serious condition as a result of one such random attack a day or two ago.

    What are you on about. If this is what it looks like, this is Islamic terrorism. The victims may be random but the attacks are planned.

    You know this doesnt replace the violence in our societies, its extra right?


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    #264
    Kermit.de.frog
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    testaccount123 wrote: »
    What are you on about. If this is what it looks like, this is Islamic terrorism.

    How'd you know he wasn't just flustered about something unrelated?


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    #265
    enricoh
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    In the last week there have been stabbings in Dublin, Limerick and Cavan also.

    Maybe ye'd be best moving to the bomb shelter and locking the doors immediately.

    Yeah absolutely no difference between a drink filled row that gets out of hand and a fella that gets up in the morning and stabs as many randomers as possible. Who possibly shouldn't even have got through immigration and maybe doing it for isis etc.
    No difference at all!


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    #266
    silverharp
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    ebbsy wrote: »
    I'm moving to America.

    Trumpland.

    Dublin 4 works too

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #267
    ohnonotgmail
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    testaccount123 wrote: »
    What are you on about. If this is what it looks like, this is Islamic terrorism. The victims may be random but the attacks are planned.

    You know this doesnt replace the violence in our societies, its extra right?

    how do you know this was a planned attack? how do you know what the motivation was?


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    #268
    Binzer
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    The only thing that surprises me is that it has taken this long for the first incident and that it didn’t occur in Temple Bar or Grafton Street.
    If you follow the U.K, expect the usual “ religion of peace” comments with lots of hand holding and candle lighting, until the next attack.


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    #269
    Strazdas
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    testaccount123 wrote: »
    Ah of course, first it was 'it'll never happen in Ireland', now its 'nothing to see here, it could have been an Irish person'.

    The inevitability of it all is depressing. Further attacks on a larger scale are to come. Better get the whataboutery prepared for those.

    Even if it was Islamist related, we are seeing people being assaulted on our streets every day of the week along with numerous gangland killings (including completely innocent people being murdered) in the last couple of years.

    I'd be very wary of overreacting to incidents like this as there are plenty of unpleasant types out there just itching to have a go at Ireland's immigrant population.


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    #270
    Tell me how
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    Cason Loud Broomstick wrote:
    What's the story with Europe these says?

    Over 1,000 cars torched in France on NYE, over 500 arrest, female police officer kicked around the street by gang. German women cattled into a pen to keep them safe from sexual attacks on NYE, confidence in Merkel at an all time low. London overtakes NYC for crime levels (they also had x4 fatal stabbing on NYE), not to mention they're now the acid attack capital of the world.

    A large part of it appearing like this is brand new is the faster accumulation and sharing of news then there has been in the past.

    Such events have been happening since...forever?
    London in particular is dealing with a knife culture amongst schoolchildren for the last 10+ years


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    #271
    baylah17
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    Whatever the background to this event be it a terrorist attack or not, nothing excuses the level or bigotry bile and pure hatred being spewed by some on this thread.
    RIP to the man who was killed


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