U2/Geldof and Freedom of Dublin

What a pretentious load of shyte, the whole thing.

What did U2 ever do for anyone? What about your woman? She got locked up for 5 thousand years in Claymation land, so some eejits in Dublin give her the "freedom" of the city. What?

I threw a knackered toaster at a bus earlier today, cant wait for the Japanese to give me the Okinawa Medal of Outstanding Achievement for Awesome Biscuits

lazybones32 wrote: »

I think they should stfu. Or go liberate the rohingya in person. You'd swear the freedom of Dublin is up there with the Nobel's the way the boys go on...

The nobel prize isn't worth much either these days. Some categories, maybe.

Giving the nobel peace prize to barack Obama for.....something*.....was the death knell for its respect.

(being black?)

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Telling that the article is written about six years after the prize was awarded.

Re-read my post. It's written for people like you.

10000maniacs wrote: »

Love your generalization soundbite.
Reagan took a stand against communism in Central America. Maybe the alternative would have been ten times worse, who knows?

Reagan "took a stand" by backing any goon who trundled up to him, and it resulted in hundreds of thousands of dead.

brainfreeze wrote: »

No it wasn't. Only people that don't understand the history Nobel peace prize say that. It has even been given to people that have been accused of terrorism and of committing war crimes.

The Nobel Peace prize has always been given to certain people as a guilt award. To make sure a certain leader fulfills a promise or statement they have made, by bringing light to it to the entire world, and therefor pressuring them to follow through otherwise facing shame to the entire planet for being a bull****ter.

That's what they did with Obama. They wanted to empower a specific promise he made.





No it wasn't for being black, also the "something*" isn't a mystery. It was written on the award, stated in the announcement, and reported by the world media. He was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his promises on nuclear nonproliferation . The something* is nuclear nonproliferation.

Which his administration did have great strides in, with both Russia and Iran.

This whole "It's lost it's meaning since Obama!!1!" narrative is drivel spread by Rupert Murdochs various media outlets (Fox/Sky/Tabloids), to play on peoples ignorance of the history of the award. It clearly worked, here you are 10 years later repeating it.

The mental hoops you have to jump through to get to this conclusion..."a guilt award", "I believe the dribble put in the statement", "I cant see any precedent set beforehand", "I can ignore Obama's admitted confusion over receiving it" and on and on.

I think I'll solve world hunger sometime in the future. That would be nice.

Now please give me a nice, big sum of money to "guilt" me into actually doing it. Great stuff!

Reading between the gulf in the lines, Obama was the first black president in the united states and the idiots couldn't contain themselves with "virtue signalling".

So yeah, the respect for the award took a big blow.

Odhinn wrote: »

It's generally agreed the award was disgraced when it was awarded to Kissinger in the early 1970's. Obamas award, which some might say was unmerited, isn't in the same league as that farce.

Some might say was unmerited? Really, just some?

I didn't know about the Kissinger thing, but that hardly excuses f*cking it up again. In fact, it should be all the more reason not to do it again.

Odhinn wrote: »

There is no comparison. I'd suggest reading up on kissinger.

And yet you are making the comparison.

In my lifetime, the Obama thing is a joke. Just because someone else might be a joke doesn't preclude the other from being a joke.

Pithythefool wrote: »

The mental hoops you have to jump through to get to this conclusion..."a guilt award"
bla bla bla bla bla bla

Politically motivated awards being handed out prematurely to influence the person into doing something, is literally mentioned on the nobel peace prizes wikipedia page. There is no mental gymnastics, it's just that you don't know what you are talking about.

It has been expressed that the Peace Prize has been awarded in politically motivated ways for more recent or immediate achievements,[20] or with the intention of encouraging future achievements

That was a nice ramble there pal. But absolutely nothing you said comments on what I highlighted for you in bold, when you said:

was the death knell for its respect.

This is nonsense. You are completely ignoring the past of the nobel peace prize. Lots of people have not respected it in decades due to reasons I laid out (preemptive/guilt awards), and due to who its been given to and why. Others have never respected it. I explained to you the reasons why Nobel gave him the award, because you genuinely didn't know - making guesses and assumptions. So I clarified for you.

This narrative that Obama was "the death knell for its respect" is laughable, and as I said, you believe it because you don't know enough about the subject, you are just repeating what the Murdoch driven media claimed at the time.

By stating that bollocks, you are erasing Wangari Maathai, Yasser Arafat, Le Duc Thọ and Henry Kissinger and plenty more.

Next time, just Google or something.

He's like a toddler. Firstly he doesn't want it, then tell him he can't have it and then of course he wants it back.