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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread VIII - ** MOD NOTE POST #4781 **

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    #5492
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭connachta


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    Wow, that's a big deal to swallow.
    It's like prefering the Euro competition to the World Cup in football
    Financial reason maybe but awful reading.
    I'm watching rugby to see proper games vs Samoa/N-Z not only butchery-style vs Italy/France
    He's not saying anything new. The RWC is barely thirty years old, the six, five, home nations has been running for over a century. That's pretty much a johnny-cime-lately in any assessment.

    It's not a bit like comparing the European Cup to the World Cup in soccer. The FIFA World Cup has been running for thirty years longer than the European Cup.

    Unless you're talking about the Champions League, which has been running slightly longer than the Euros.

    And there are a lot of crap games in the RWC. Ritual spankings for the likes of USA, Namibia, Canada, Russia etc.
    World Cup matters more than any regional competition.
    Do you think England hall of fame put their recent 6 nations titles, even with grand slam, ahead of RWC 2007?


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    #5493
    Bazzo
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    connachta wrote: »
    World Cup matters more than any regional competition.
    Do you think England hall of fame put their recent 6 nations titles, even with grand slam, ahead of RWC 2007?

    They probably do put their 6 nations trophies ahead of South Africa's world cup tbh :pac:


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    #5494
    Yeah_Right
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    England have a hall of fame? Never knew that. And why would they give a **** about the 2007 RWC?


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    #5495
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭connachta


    it's 2003. Whatever, a final in RWC has some global impact too, more than a 12-9 in Murrayfield or 50-3 in Flaminio (I know Italy moved from the place in the meantime)


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    #5496
    prawnsambo
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    connachta wrote: »
    World Cup matters more than any regional competition.
    Do you think England hall of fame put their recent 6 nations titles, even with grand slam, ahead of RWC 2007?
    He's not talking about prestige, he's talking about the bread ad butter tournament that happens every year.

    I'm sure he'd love to win a RWC, or even be first loser like England in 2007. Not sure how you can't understand the context of what he's saying. It's pretty clear. Well actually I do understand, it's more pettiness a la George Hook. :rolleyes:


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    #5497
    connachta
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    The question is what matters more to build the squad. RWC by far IMO. Not for Joe, for venal reasons.


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    #5498
    Bridge93
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    It's also a laughably skewed example. A win against the weakest team in the 6N or a runner up World Cup spot. A fairer comparison would be a Grand Slam playoff or for the Italy example, a 70-0 group win over uruguay


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    #5499
    prawnsambo
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    connachta wrote: »
    The question is what matters more to build the squad. RWC by far IMO. Not for Joe, for venal reasons.
    Ah, there it is. You have now made a massive jump over the reality that only happened a month ago. So why exactly was Zebo dropped then?


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    #5500
    Bridge93
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    This needs to be nipped in the bud right here because this is about to go down a very familiar route.


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    #5501
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭connachta


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    The question is what matters more to build the squad. RWC by far IMO. Not for Joe, for venal reasons.
    Ah, there it is. You have now made a massive jump over the reality that only happened a month ago. So why exactly was Zebo dropped then?
    And Joe was 100% right about it :)


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    #5502
    sydthebeat
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    connachta wrote: »
    Not for Joe, for venal reasons.

    Wtf are you talking about?
    Joe Schmidt is there to destroy Irish rugby??

    You are twisted


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    #5503
    prawnsambo
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    connachta wrote: »
    And Joe was 100% right about it :)
    Exactly. He's building his squad for the RWC. But somehow you can make a case that he's not?

    You apparently can't understand how you can have short term goals and long term goals at the same time.


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    #5504
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭connachta


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    It's also a laughably skewed example. A win against the weakest team in the 6N or a runner up World Cup spot. A fairer comparison would be a Grand Slam playoff or for the Italy example, a 70-0 group win over uruguay
    You want it fair?
    Six Nations’ finale between England and France record audience for BBC :  9.6 millions
    RWC opener vs Wales on ITV : 10.5 millions


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    #5505
    Clegg
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    This thread is a mess these days.

    After one of the more successful November series I thought things would be more positive. Why are we arguing over the status of a 2nd/3rd choice full back and television ratings? Seems like a not very well veiled attempt at having a dig at Schmidt.


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    #5506
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭connachta


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    Not for Joe, for venal reasons.

    Wtf are you talking about?
    Joe Schmidt is there to destroy Irish rugby??

    You are twisted
    Joe is often right. Not on that state of mind about RWC. That's all. I've never ever have an agenda "Schmidt out". Not even in secret. Rob out, yes, but that's smth else :D


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    #5507
    prawnsambo
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    connachta wrote: »
    You want it fair?
    Six Nations’ finale between England and France record audience for BBC : 9.6 millions
    RWC opener vs Wales on ITV : 10.5 millions
    Which is pretty low considering that the target market for the RWC is the entire world. :rolleyes:


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    #5508
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭connachta


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    You want it fair?
    Six Nations’ finale between England and France record audience for BBC :  9.6 millions
    RWC opener vs Wales on ITV : 10.5 millions
    Which is pretty low considering that the target market for the RWC is the entire world. :rolleyes:
    No it's domestic comparison. Domestic only.


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    #5509
    Bridge93
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    connachta wrote: »
    You want it fair?
    Six Nations’ finale between England and France record audience for BBC :  9.6 millions
    RWC opener vs Wales on ITV : 10.5 millions

    Wasn't a World Cup opener that game was to basically decide who would get out of the group of death at a home World Cup between two home nations. Why do you keep lying?
    I'm not even saying the 6N is a bigger tournament. It's this dismissal of it as a training ground for the WC that is embarrassing


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    #5510
    prawnsambo
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    connachta wrote: »
    No it's domestic comparison. Domestic only.
    Domestic during a RWC in England includes many foreign visitors who would be watching matches on TV. And as Bridge93 says, it was a decider.


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    #5511
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭connachta


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    You want it fair?
    Six Nations’ finale between England and France record audience for BBC :  9.6 millions
    RWC opener vs Wales on ITV : 10.5 millions

    Wasn't a World Cup opener that game was to basically decide who would get out of the group of death at a home World Cup between two home nations. Why do you keep lying?
    I'm not even saying the 6N is a bigger tournament. It's this dismissal of it as a training ground for the WC that is embarrassing
    Wales opener and France 6 nations final were the same decisive games, a lot at stake, I've never said anything else.
    On 2 similar games, RWC matters more to English TV viewers by 8%.
    Looks fair.


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    #5512
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭connachta


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    No it's domestic comparison. Domestic only.
    Domestic during a RWC in England includes many foreign visitors who would be watching matches on TV. And as Bridge93 says, it was a decider.
    6 nations game vs France was a hell of a decider for England too. Ireland won it in the end, on the final action, remember


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    #5513
    Bridge93
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    They were not the same for a whole multitude of reasons.

    Regardless I can't be arsed on a Sunday. I'm not being dragged down another rabbit hole


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    #5514
    prawnsambo
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    connachta wrote: »
    Joe is often right. Not on that state of mind about RWC. That's all. I've never ever have an agenda "Schmidt out". Not even in secret. Rob out, yes, but that's smth else :D
    You're wilfully disregarding a hatful of facts here. He's clearly building towards the RWC; the omission of Zebo is one indication of that, the introduction of multiple young players in the last month and previously, the fact that his current contract includes the next RWC, the constant references to squad depth and the injury crisis that knocked us out of the last RWC.

    But because he says that the short term goal of the 6N is the immediate focus and that it has a massive history behind it is somehow indicative of the opposite?

    Pull the other one, the bells are getting rusty from disuse. :rolleyes:


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    #5515
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭connachta


    At least could you agree the 6N tounament right before RWC should be used to build the squad for September, whoever the "in-form" are in January?


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    #5516
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    This thread is an absolute dumpster fire


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    #5517
    MJohnston
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    No


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    #5518
    molloyjh
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    Thomand, we need another one of your ring fencing threads. And fast.


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    #5519
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭connachta


    MJohnston wrote: »
    No
    Why? It's so obvious


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    #5520
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,015 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    connachta wrote: »
    At least could you agree the 6N right before RWC should be used to build the squad for September, whoever the "in-form" are in January?
    The bones of the squad are already built. The younger lads just need some more game time. Which they'll get through the next two 6Ns, Summer tours and AIs. Might need another hooker and out half, but that's about it barring injury.


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    #5521
    MJohnston
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    You're so obvious


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