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Unpopular GAA opinion - MOD Note #426

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    #242
    zetecescort
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    there should be a Junior, Intermediate and Senior All Ireland. if every county championship in the country is played this way I can never understand why Intercounty isn't. If the weaker sides want to play the big teams they should have to earn it, win your way up to senior


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    #243
    blanch152
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    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    So the entire history of the competition for every team is defined by how st vincents run went in one specific year is what you are arguing...

    Its kinda like saying Leicester city won the league once, therefore underdogs always win the league.

    Actually, you could look at it another way. Lots of competition years are defined by a Mayo team losing in the final, whether it is club or inter-county.


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    #244
    Kerrydude1981
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    zetecescort wrote: »
    there should be a Junior, Intermediate and Senior All Ireland. if every county championship in the country is played this way I can never understand why Intercounty isn't. If the weaker sides want to play the big teams they should have to earn it, win your way up to senior

    They have it in Ladies football,the Camoige has different grades as well and it works well,you win your way up

    Hurling has the different tier competitions as well but when something gets mentioned about having something similar in football,then its shot down straight away.


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    #245
    theoneeyedman
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    StupidLikeAFox wrote: »
    Don't know how you came to that idea but I think you are completely wrong. From a politics perspective it would be a nightmare, imagine telling 32 county board chairmen that 20 of you will lose your jobs, that there is going to be no more Kildare/Laois/Carlow, just the East Midlands Rangers. Not a hope!

    Also, the whole "split Dublin in two" argument doesn't have near as much support as its given credit for. A lot of these drastic restructuring ideas are often thrown out when there is plainly no appetite for it. Its always thrown out as a glib response to something, and Colm ORourke mentioned on the Sunday Game this year and people went mad over it again. But it has never been seriously considered or proposed by the GAA and there is zero real appetite for it from any county. Its handy for a pundit to grab a few headlines but thats it.

    Another is the A championship and B championship - none of the weaker counties ever want this. Carlow were happy to play the Dubs this year and have their chance to give them a rattle.


    Oh, it will eventually happen.
    If policy from HQ keeps going as at present, you will have the elite pi55ed off because they haven't enough games, a TV or media company looking to expand its market, and an apathetic audience with only 3 or 4 competitors IC games per year.
    It's happened in every single sport, NFL, soccer, cricket, rugby, both union and league.... They all said it would never happen, but it did.


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    #246
    cms88
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    zetecescort wrote: »
    there should be a Junior, Intermediate and Senior All Ireland. if every county championship in the country is played this way I can never understand why Intercounty isn't. If the weaker sides want to play the big teams they should have to earn it, win your way up to senior

    But that's not ''fair'' and nowaday everyone has to be treated the same...

    But seriously this is one thing that annoys me. The argument they make is they dont train all year to play in a B championship, yet they will to be hammered year in year out.

    People try to use Carlow this year as an example for not have other grades. But what did Carlow really do? Played 5 games and the only ones they won were against Div 4 teams.

    In fact i feel this scene of entitlement is why football is in a poor place at the moment. The ''weaker'' teams don't bother making a effort and just want things changed around to make it easiler for them.


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    #247
    TrueGael
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    Also, the whole "split Dublin in two" argument doesn't have near as much support as its given credit for. A lot of these drastic restructuring ideas are often thrown out when there is plainly no appetite for it.


    Wrong


    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/quinn-hints-dublin-split-is-fait-accompli-1.1047394

    It was obvious in 2002 before the millions of euro came, that Dublin was way too big to only have 1 thing and the last 15 years have certainly bone out that way


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    #248
    OldMrBrennan83
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    #249
    TrueGael
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    Patww79 wrote: »
    Still won't happen though.

    When the attendances of the GAA's Golden goose continue to plummet, you better believe something will happen

    Why do you think they invented the Super 8 concoction????


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    #250
    MayoAreMagic
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    Actually, you could look at it another way. Lots of competition years are defined by a Mayo team losing in the final, whether it is club or inter-county.

    To be honest, if your year is defined by a Mayo team losing a game, it says more about you than anything else.
    In reality, when you compete at the top table every year, you are going to have final losses along the way. Every team bar 1 loses at some stage. If you are consistently making finals at all grades, then your levels are consistently excellent. That is something to be applauded, but in the parochial world of the gaa, people cant see the reality due to their own biases.

    Similarly, if you asked a person who follows sport, who had never heard of gaa, about a team needing 10 times the resources of everyone else and government handouts on top of that, while playing every meaningful game at home to win anything, they would probably consider them a bit pathetic truth be told.


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    #251
    doc_17
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    Casement Park Project. It’s ridiculous in th era of Brexit that the GAA are pumping huge money into a project given they don’t know if there’ll be a hard border or not. Renovate Clones instead.


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    #252
    TrueGael
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    doc_17 wrote: »
    Casement Park Project. It’s ridiculous in th era of Brexit that the GAA are pumping huge money into a project given they don’t know if there’ll be a hard border or not. Renovate Clones instead.

    Disagree, Belfast is a sleeping giant and would be a serious force in both codes if they got the 'Dublin treatment' for a 10-15 year period


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    #253
    TrueGael
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    Actually, you could look at it another way. Lots of competition years are defined by a Mayo team losing in the final, whether it is club or inter-county.

    The GAA comparison to English soccer would be like Man City in a league with local rivals Stockport, Bury, Oldham + Salford City

    Team with all the advantages wins every year backed in every way possible by the parent organisation, Big Deal...............................................


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    OldMrBrennan83
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    #255
    Bonniedog
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    TrueGael wrote: »
    Disagree, Belfast is a sleeping giant and would be a serious force in both codes if they got the 'Dublin treatment' for a 10-15 year period


    Belfast is a soccer town. Very few GAA clubs in the city and most of them are small junior clubs. A bit like Derry City which only has a handful of clubs republicans treat as something to be used when politically convenient - like the Irish language - rather than actually take part in!


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    #256
    Stoner
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    Bonniedog wrote:
    Belfast is a soccer town. Very few GAA clubs in the city and most of them are small junior clubs. A bit like Derry City which only has a handful of clubs republicans treat as something to be used when politically convenient - like the Irish language - rather than actually take part in!


    I'm told GAA clubs in Derry city were nearly wiped out during the troubles, I'd imagine Belfast was the same.


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    #257
    Bonniedog
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    Stoner wrote: »
    I'm told GAA clubs in Derry city were nearly wiped out during the troubles, I'd imagine Belfast was the same.


    GAA has never been strong in Derry city. Most murders of GAA members took place in rural areas, including parts of south Derry. In places like Tyrone and south Derry and Armagh, loyalists and indeed the "security forces" deliberately targeted GAA members. Who included two Armagh supporters on way home from the 1977 AI final.


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    #258
    blanch152
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    TrueGael wrote: »
    Disagree, Belfast is a sleeping giant and would be a serious force in both codes if they got the 'Dublin treatment' for a 10-15 year period


    I agree that money should be invested in juvenile hurling and football in Belfast, it is badly needed.

    Whether or not that translates into senior success is immaterial, the benefit to girls and boys would be immense and it would rejuvenate the club scene and that is the most important thing.


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    #259
    blanch152
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    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    To be honest, if your year is defined by a Mayo team losing a game, it says more about you than anything else.
    In reality, when you compete at the top table every year, you are going to have final losses along the way. Every team bar 1 loses at some stage. If you are consistently making finals at all grades, then your levels are consistently excellent. That is something to be applauded, but in the parochial world of the gaa, people cant see the reality due to their own biases.

    Similarly, if you asked a person who follows sport, who had never heard of gaa, about a team needing 10 times the resources of everyone else and government handouts on top of that, while playing every meaningful game at home to win anything, they would probably consider them a bit pathetic truth be told.


    Oh no, my year is not defined by a Mayo team losing a game, it is a bit like Groundhog Day, it happens every year but it is not one of those events that particularly interests me.


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    #260
    TrueGael
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    Dublin is a soccer City, always was and still has significantly higher playing numbers than the GAA - the DDSL is the biggest schoolboy in Europe

    It is the people's game in Dublin, in the build up to All Irelands you'd barely know there was a game on in vast swathes in Dublin even is they are playing

    Yet despite its relatively small playing numbers (39,000) it is funded as if it every Tom, Dick and Harry is immersed in the sport like in many rural areas when it just is simply not the case and never will be. Dublin can win the next 10 AI's but that won't matter a jot to hardcore Soccer people in Dublin.

    All that money has done is distort its flagship competition and thus lose significant revenue(due to boring monopoly) and the creation of a gimmick 'Super 8' to make up for this lost Matchday Revenue, which will only be a short-term fix as the novelty will quickly fade off and the GAA will be back to Square 1


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    #261
    Bonniedog
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    A soccer city that has less people at FAI finals than Dublin county finals! I don't think so. Most soccer "teams" are pot bellied chaps who play on Sunday mornings before going to the pub. You could train monkeys to play that game.

    Fact is Dublin football team is by a huge factor the biggest supported sporting team in the city, including the rugby and wendyballers.

    "Hardcore soccer people" You mean either imbeciles who follow EPL same way as others follow soap opera - and that is no more prevalent in Dublin than anywhere else - or the farce that is LOI that attracts 3 men and a dog. I've played in junior hurling matches that had bigger crowds than most LOI games, in Dublin and elsewhere.


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    #262
    nice_guy80
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    TrueGael wrote: »
    Dublin is a soccer City, always was and still has significantly higher playing numbers than the GAA - the DDSL is the biggest schoolboy in Europe

    It is the people's game in Dublin, in the build up to All Irelands you'd barely know there was a game on in vast swathes in Dublin even is they are playing

    Yet despite its relatively small playing numbers (39,000) it is funded as if it every Tom, Dick and Harry is immersed in the sport like in many rural areas when it just is simply not the case and never will be. Dublin can win the next 10 AI's but that won't matter a jot to hardcore Soccer people in Dublin.

    All that money has done is distort its flagship competition and thus lose significant revenue(due to boring monopoly) and the creation of a gimmick 'Super 8' to make up for this lost Matchday Revenue, which will only be a short-term fix as the novelty will quickly fade off and the GAA will be back to Square 1

    big underage soccer leagues, whose parents support premier league teams


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    #263
    MayoAreMagic
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    Oh no, my year is not defined by a Mayo team losing a game, it is a bit like Groundhog Day, it happens every year but it is not one of those events that particularly interests me.

    But y just said it was...

    Did the mot see that pic of O'Shea out training in the sun during the week? Bet she loved it...


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    #264
    Stoner
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    Bonniedog wrote:
    GAA has never been strong in Derry city. Most murders of GAA members took place in rural areas, including parts of south Derry. In places like Tyrone and south Derry and Armagh, loyalists and indeed the "security forces" deliberately targeted GAA members. Who included two Armagh supporters on way home from the 1977 AI final.


    I don't know Bonnie. I was told by a very well informed local.

    Possibly he ment it never had a chance


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    #265
    Stoner
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    TrueGael wrote:
    Dublin is a soccer City, always was and still has significantly higher playing numbers than the GAA - the DDSL is the biggest schoolboy in Europe


    I agree with you and embrace it.

    That's why Heffo created hill 1916 "Kop" it's always been the case. Soccer is a game for the streets. Where I grew up there were no fields or animals within easy reach.

    Brendan Behan addressed it too. You can't shoulder on a concrete road, you destroy hurleys and windows on roads too.

    It's really the schools that you start to play GAA. That's the way it is, completely logical. There's a reason soccer is played all over the world , and why rugby and GAA are not and why people invented touch Rugby.

    The GAA concept of tackling, and no 5 aside set up hinders it's growth.

    We've had some great dual players down through the years.

    So the movement from kids playing ball in the street due to social awareness and everyone having 2 cars is hampering soccer.
    It has little impact on rugby and GAA, but it's definitely impacting on the Irish soccer team. There's a bit written about it becoming middle class, but I think it's as much about kids not playing on the roads anymore than anything else, parents attend the training session, drive the kids to the pitches.

    Despite some marginal success it's hard for the GAA to have games in the street, match 5 aside football for flexibility or playing a game without much fear of injury past their early 30's.

    I've several Aston Villa tops myself, I've a lovely Half Villans Half Jack's one that cost me a fortune to have made, actually I've two, I only wear the one with the Dublin badge on it as I'm a little bit more Jack than Villan.

    If there's any Villa Bias Dublin supporters there who want an xxl top for occasional use pm me.

    It goes great with a Palestinian flag.


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    #266
    ArielAtom
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    That the rest of country have sympathy for mayo and hope they win an AI soon.


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    #267
    Slattsy
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    ArielAtom wrote: »
    That the rest of country have sympathy for mayo and hope they win an AI soon.

    That ship has sailed..


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    #268
    MayoAreMagic
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    I believe you are actually better off being a Mayo fan than say a Donegal fan for example, i.e. that despite not winning the AI they are there at the business end every year, and their fans have had 7, action-packed, great years in a row, with more to come. I would consider this a better deal than winning an AI out of the blue and then kinda falling away into a team of yesterday.


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    #269
    ThunbergsAreGo
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    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    I believe you are actually better off being a Mayo fan than say a Donegal fan for example, i.e. that despite not winning the AI they are there at the business end every year, and their fans have had 7, action-packed, great years in a row, with more to come. I would consider this a better deal than winning an AI out of the blue and then kinda falling away into a team of yesterday.

    Yeah I agree,

    The hard done by, poor Mayo idea portrayed by the media is a myth


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    #270
    MayoAreMagic
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    naughtb4 wrote: »
    Yeah I agree,

    The hard done by, poor Mayo idea portrayed by the media is a myth

    Indeed, as is the whole, 'how can they possibly keep coming back?' thing. In truth that would be more relevant to Dublin players who have already achieved probably more than they expected to starting out. Yet that conversation never really takes place around the Dublin team. It probably has a lot to do with most of those in the media not having the first clue as regards what an intercounty player of today actually experiences.


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    #271
    dog_pig
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    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    I believe you are actually better off being a Mayo fan than say a Donegal fan for example, i.e. that despite not winning the AI they are there at the business end every year, and their fans have had 7, action-packed, great years in a row, with more to come. I would consider this a better deal than winning an AI out of the blue and then kinda falling away into a team of yesterday.

    Whatever eases the pain I suppose!

    I'm not sure many Donegal fans would be interested though. 2011, 2012, 2014 were all action packed, there were 6 ulster finals in a row as well. They're still also the only team to have beaten Gavin's Dublin.

    Would you be saying the same thing if next year Mayo drop off and don't reach the business end? It's going to happen at some stage and if the options are an All-Ireland vs. having been nearly men for a few years then it's an easy choice.


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