Refugee Family Reunification

PantsBliz · 14-11-2017 07:55PM

Odhinn wrote: »

All €21.60 a week of it.

Syrian resettled refugees (not asylum seekers) are getting the full welfare, medical, housing entitlements as citizens.

Odhinn · 14-11-2017 08:00PM

PantsBliz wrote: »

Syrian resettled refugees (not asylum seekers) are getting the full welfare, medical, housing entitlements as citizens.

Only if they've been granted "protection". Otherwise it's the direct provision allowance.

PantsBliz · 14-11-2017 08:03PM

Odhinn wrote: »

Only if they've been granted "protection". Otherwise it's the direct provision allowance.

Nope. They are brought here from refugee camps in Italy, Greece, Lebanon, to a reception centre, get direct provision rates for three months doing an orientation course, then get the full rates

"The DSP said full social welfare rates are applied only after a three-month programme is complete." rte.ie/news/2015/1215/753774-refugee-council/

Odhinn · 14-11-2017 08:03PM

PantsBliz wrote: »

Nope. They are brought here from refugee camps in Italy, Greece, Lebanon, to a reception centre, get direct provision rates for three months doing an orientation course, then get the full rates

"The DSP said full social welfare rates are applied only after a three-month programme is complete." rte.ie/news/2015/1215/753774-refugee-council/

And your problem with that is......?

riffmongous · 14-11-2017 08:03PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

With absolutely no knocks at those in Co. Clare but that is exactly where they need to be located and places like it.

Dublin is full to overflowing.

Ballaghadereen was another place.

Surely they will help isolated and dying rural communities? What are ya all moaning about now.

I bet they will all go back eventually. It is not like there is a Syrian hubbly jubbly pub on every corner where they can connect with their own, like we do all over the world with the Irish community, pubs and GAA.

But I stand to be corrected, they might just like it here along with the weather and the spuds.

Well in many ways Ireland does beat the old Syrian torture camp. Some people will simply never be able to return while Assad still has any power

Odhinn · 14-11-2017 08:05PM

riffmongous wrote: »

Well in many ways Ireland does beat the old Syrian torture camp

Some may have got a taste for the aul electrode to the bollock treatment, but sure we're all liberal here now.

PantsBliz · 14-11-2017 08:05PM

Odhinn wrote: »

And your problem with that is......?

You stated they receive "all €21.60 of it". I said it is more and highlighted it.
Would you care to apologise for misleading the readers?

punisher5112 · 14-11-2017 08:08PM

How can we as a small island cope????

Odhinn · 14-11-2017 08:09PM

PantsBliz wrote: »

You stated they receive "all €21.60 of it". I said it is more and highlighted it.
Would you care to apologise for misleading the readers?

...eh, no. They get 21.60 unless they are granted protection. If they're granted protection it means they've been assessed as having a genuine claim, so again, I'm not seeing the problem.

Really Interested · 14-11-2017 08:10PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

How can we as a small island cope????

What are the numbers?

Odhinn · 14-11-2017 08:11PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

How can we as a small island cope????

How can we as a badly run small island cope is a better question. The fact is that we are taking in people who are at risk of torture, rape and being killed.

punisher5112 · 14-11-2017 08:11PM

Really Interested wrote: »

What are the numbers?

By the way they multiply it will be some amount.

Really Interested · 14-11-2017 08:12PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

By the way they multiply it will be some amount.

Why are you not answering the question?

end of the road · 14-11-2017 08:16PM

PantsBliz wrote: »

Really? Do you honestly think there are no people on housing lists there that have been skipped?

no

PantsBliz wrote: »

Do you think that free money, medical care, almost free housing, everything taken care of in Ireland is less attractive than hard work, pay for everything, in Syria?

yes . hard work always pays off unlike benefits.

PantsBliz wrote: »

And already Syrian refugees are bleating about being in little towns and seeking to move to the cities

no they aren't. they are either being asked questions (which may include showing them pictures and so on) for which they are then asked to choose, or certain groups are stating what these people want on their behalf, without those people knowing.

Galwayguy35 · 14-11-2017 08:17PM

end of the road wrote: »

there was no actual evidence at first to prove she was scamming. once there was sufficient evidence she was gone rather quickly. deportations are happening regularly.

No she wasn't.

500 k of taxpayers money was used by her fighting her deportation in the courts and after it all she was shown to be a liar.

AlekSmart · 14-11-2017 08:24PM

PantsBliz wrote: »

But our Foreign Minister disagrees:
"They have no country to go home to, because it is such a broken country now. I expect that many families that come to Ireland will want to be Irish citizens in the future. I think they can offer something to Ireland that is very positive. It's up to us as a Government to put a structure in place." rte.ie/news/2015/0907/726223-migrants-ireland/

And we can buy homes for Syrians but not Irish on housing lists: clare.fm/news/clare-county-council-to-purchase-nine-homes-for-syrian-refugee-families/
Syrians housed after 3 months: rte.ie/news/2015/1215/753774-refugee-council/

You would have to wonder if Ministers ever bother to touch base with reality in these matters.

Them poor oul Germans are still trying to fix a perfectly functional system which their chancellor "improved" back in 2015......

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/germany-cannot-find-30-000-migrants-due-for-deportation-2hld7n0m5

(It's Paywalled,but the gist is very clear)

Germany cannot find 30,000 migrants due for deportation

It is quite refreshing to see how rapidly Frau Merkel's "Wir schaffen das" policy was turned upside down and inside out by the rather obvious reality of the Country having become a vast soakhole for every dubious grouping of "Stateless" persons it was possible to "rescue" from the Mediteranian.

Now we find the extent of the remedial action required is somewhat draconian,and counter to the modern German liberal & tolerant attitude.

http://www.dw.com/en/merkels-cabinet-approves-faster-migrant-deportations/a-37664927

The new 15-point plan will allow security forces to check the cellphone data of new arrivals, while those who have been rejected may be kept in custody for up to 10 days to prevent them from absconding (current rules limit this period to four days). Rules on surveillance of asylum-seekers will also be eased to allow those under suspicion to be watched more easily, and deportations will be carried out directly from initial reception centers wherever possible.

This last measure could also require asylum seekers to remain in government shelters for longer.

"Ausweis bitte" indeed,but the true extent of Germany's predicament is only appreciated when the reality of what is now being enacted is appreciated.

It is,of course,perfectly possible that Ireland really is "different" or "special" in the eyes of those from the Middle East,Sub Saharan Africa or whatever World region is currently in the Media's eye.

This ensures that Ireland will not suffer any fall-out or ill effects,from wild-eyed madcap designs of the George Soros wing of Seanad Eireann...which brings me to wonder whatever has become of Pete Sutherland these days ???

end of the road · 14-11-2017 08:25PM

Gatling wrote: »

There is currently roughly 5000 refugees currently living in direct provision here that's not a lie unfortunately ,
With a 90% increase in applications since 2016
.

So yeah

most of those applications won't be approved.

Odhinn · 14-11-2017 08:27PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

............

This ensures that Ireland will not suffer any fall-out or ill effects,from wild-eyed madcap designs of the George Soros wing of Seanad Eireann...which brings me to wonder whatever has become of Pete Sutherland these days ???

He's under the bed with the New World Order and the Elders Of Zion.

end of the road · 14-11-2017 08:30PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

No she wasn't.

500 k of taxpayers money was used by her fighting her deportation in the courts and after it all she was shown to be a liar.

and? once she was found to have lied she was deported straight away. that is the fact of the matter.

PeterParker957 · 14-11-2017 08:31PM

end of the road wrote: »

Gatling wrote: »

There is currently roughly 5000 refugees currently living in direct provision here that's not a lie unfortunately ,
With a 90% increase in applications since 2016
.

So yeah

most of those applications won't be approved.

Couldn't sort us out with tonight's Euromillions numbers could you oh prescient one ????

Peatys · 14-11-2017 08:32PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Only children under 18 of the refugee and his/her married partner
Reuniting their extended family seems just ridiculous and unfeasible

Try telling that to benifiteers who refuse a free gaff as it might be too far away from extended family.

AlekSmart · 14-11-2017 08:33PM

Odhinn wrote: »

He's under the bed with the New World Order and the Elders Of Zion.

They'd only be in the h'apenny place under his crib.....

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/are-irish-taxpayers-about-bail-out-goldman-peter-sutherland-stealing-his-own-people-give-vam

Gatling · 14-11-2017 11:17PM

end of the road wrote: »

most of those applications won't be approved.

Says who exactly ,

The_Valeyard · 14-11-2017 11:19PM

Odhinn wrote: »

He's under the bed with the New World Order and the Elders Of Zion.

They the dudes from The Matrix?

Odhinn · 15-11-2017 01:27AM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

They the dudes from The Matrix?

Either that, or from a phone scam call centre in Tel Aviv, the jury is still out.

end of the road · 15-11-2017 01:54AM

Alaskan Hunter wrote: »

500k wasted on a foreign scrounger.

once she was found to have lied she was deported straight away. that is all that matters.

Carlos Orange · 15-11-2017 02:00AM

end of the road wrote: »

once she was found to have lied she was deported straight away. that is all that matters.

How many times were her claims rejected in the 6+ years it took to go from initial claim to deportation?

15-11-2017 04:25AM

Odhinn wrote: »

The fact is that we are taking in people who are at risk of torture, rape and being killed.

While living in camps in Italy, Greece, Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey? They're perfectly safe there, no need to bring them all the way to Ireland. It's also 10 times cheaper to look after them over there than bringing them here.

end of the road · 15-11-2017 05:33AM

511 wrote: »

While living in camps in Italy, Greece, Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey? They're perfectly safe there, no need to bring them all the way to Ireland. It's also 10 times cheaper to look after them over there than bringing them here.

turkey wouldn't exactly have the most trust worthy government. there is good reason why many people don't support their EU membership.
anyway, we aren't taking people from the camps in the countries you mention from what i understand.

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 15-11-2017 07:02AM

end of the road wrote: »

no they aren't. they are either being asked questions (which may include showing them pictures and so on) for which they are then asked to choose, or certain groups are stating what these people want on their behalf, without those people knowing.

Source for this? Showing them pictures? Can you elaborate? How do you know they don't know?

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