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Refugee Family Reunification

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭ Hitman3000


    charity doesn't begin at home as we have systems to deal with our issues.


    They seem to be working so well. Homelessness at crisis point. Over 3000 children homeless.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,204 ✭✭✭✭ end of the road


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    They seem to be working so well. Homelessness at crisis point. Over 3000 children homeless.


    they may not work but they exist, hence they can be sorted out so that they do work. it will require you not voting for ffg though.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭ topper75


    Are some posters here suffering from some kind of unpatchable millenium bug where history begins in 2000?

    We had our own wars here. Big families.

    The people largely stayed here and saw it out.

    What is it with the Syrians that they refuse to rebuild their land and throw themselves instead at the doorsteps of other nations, squawking with outstretched cupped hands.

    The 'refugee' time has long passed now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭ Hitman3000


    they may not work but they exist, hence they can be sorted out so that they do work. it will require you not voting for ffg though.


    That is of absolutely no comfort to the thousands that are homeless. I don't say this lightly but it is time we put our own citizens first. The last 2 decades have taught me that a significant number see Ireland as a soft touch.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,204 ✭✭✭✭ end of the road


    topper75 wrote: »
    Are some posters here suffering from some kind of unpatchable millenium bug where history begins in 2000?

    We had our own wars here. Big families.

    The people largely stayed here and saw it out.

    What is it with the Syrians that they refuse to rebuild their land and throw themselves instead at the doorsteps of other nations, squawking with outstretched cupped hands.

    The 'refugee' time has long passed now.

    if the refugee time has long past then we wouldn't have refugees. we have refugees because the time for refugees hasn't long past, unfortunately. perhapse the reason the syrians won't stay and rebuild is due to a particular group who want to kill just because? the group is called isis. as for your statement that the people in ireland largely stayed and saw out the issues, immigration from ireland was large scale during the times we had major problems.
    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    That is of absolutely no comfort to the thousands that are homeless. I don't say this lightly but it is time we put our own citizens first. The last 2 decades have taught me that a significant number see Ireland as a soft touch.


    our own citizens are put first. our own citizens are entitled to use the system in whole as long as they meet the criteria. refugees on the other hand are in direct provision with a small allowence per week.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,023 Donal55


    where will they live? we cant even house our own

    In an ever decreasing supply of houses so. The dept of Justice refugees will trump everone else in this idiotic situation.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,987 Mod ✭✭✭✭ riffmongous


    topper75 wrote: »
    Are some posters here suffering from some kind of unpatchable millenium bug where history begins in 2000?

    We had our own wars here. Big families.

    The people largely stayed here and saw it out.

    What is it with the Syrians that they refuse to rebuild their land and throw themselves instead at the doorsteps of other nations, squawking with outstretched cupped hands.

    The 'refugee' time has long passed now.

    What the hell are you talking about? The people stayed here after the wars because they didn't have much choice in the matter, when they did during the famine they fled in their droves.

    What land are the Syrians supposed to be rebuilding? Lets not forget the whole war started because people wanted change and their protests were brutally put down by the same dictator who is now almost back in control after beating back an even more brutal regime.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,924 ✭✭✭ KrustyUCC


    530 refugees to to be reunited with family members who are already living in Ireland
    The Justice Minister also announced an increase in the number of new refugees to be resettled in Ireland over the next two years.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/refugee-resettlement-families-3695987-Nov2017/

    Where are these people going to be housed?

    Do they skip over the people already on the housing lists?

    Today the ESRI predicted that house prices will increase 20% over the next three years thanks to supply issues

    As if that fact won't cause more homlessness and restrict people already here in buying there own house

    No doubt the new reunifications will get priority


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 PeterParker957



    our own citizens are put first. our own citizens are entitled to use the system in whole as long as they meet the criteria. refugees on the other hand are in direct provision with a small allowence per week.

    Which in my opinion they should ONLY get when every single one of our people are fed, clothed and housed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭ Hitman3000


    our own citizens are put first. our own citizens are entitled to use the system in whole as long as they meet the criteria. refugees on the other hand are in direct provision with a small allowence per week.


    So a roof over their heads, 3 meals a day, medical care and money . No wonder they are happy to come here. Direct provision has it's faults but if they don't like it I'm sure the state would be happy to repatriate them.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 PeterParker957




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 PeterParker957


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    So a roof over their heads, 3 meals a day, medical care and money . No wonder they are happy to come here. Direct provision has it's faults but if they don't like it I'm sure the state would be happy to repatriate them.

    I imagine the couple sleeping rough in the p**sing down rain by the Shelbourne would give their right arms for DP.

    But they can't get it. "Refugees only".


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,865 ✭✭✭ rgossip30


    These refugees should be helped at source .The money is more cost effective and it eliminates the bogus applicants at 90% .


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,204 ✭✭✭✭ end of the road


    Which in my opinion they should ONLY get when every single one of our people are fed, clothed and housed.


    what nonsense. the allowence is for them to buy the bare basics they need. it's either that or they get provided with them, which means the money is still being spent. and even then 100% of people are never going to be housed as, unfortunately some people have issues that simply providing them with a house won't make go away.
    rgossip30 wrote: »
    These refugees should be helped at source .The money is more cost effective and it eliminates the bogus applicants at 90% .

    we have tried helping them at source via foreign aid. it hasn't been hugely successful or cost effective unfortunately. there are no easy answers.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,189 ✭✭✭✭ _Kaiser_


    rgossip30 wrote: »
    These refugees should be helped at source .The money is more cost effective and it eliminates the bogus applicants at 90% .

    I agree with the sentiment, except that we (at State and individual level) already give enough in foreign aid as it is - we were giving out hundreds of millions during the recession FFS (money which we in fact borrowed and paying interest on!)

    We can barely keep things running here (health service, housing, problems in the Gardai etc) without trying to solve all the ills in the world as well... but "we" do seem to crave the "attaboys" from other nations for our virtue-signalling.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,189 ✭✭✭✭ _Kaiser_


    what nonsense. the allowence is for them to buy the bare basics they need. it's either that or they get provided with them, which means the money is still being spent. and even then 100% of people are never going to be housed as, unfortunately some people have issues that simply providing them with a house won't make go away.

    And why exactly SHOULD we be responsible for the long-term housing and well-being of "refugees"/economic migrants?

    Whatever about temporarily providing shelter during a time of war or significant danger in their homeland, what's wrong with sending them home when the danger has passed if they're unable to support themselves at that stage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,204 ✭✭✭✭ end of the road


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    I agree with the sentiment, except that we (at State and individual level) already give enough in foreign aid as it is - we were giving out hundreds of millions during the recession FFS (money which we in fact borrowed and paying interest on!)

    We can barely keep things running here (health service, housing, problems in the Gardai etc) without trying to solve all the ills in the world as well... but "we" do seem to crave the "attaboys" from other nations for our virtue-signalling.

    there is no such thing as virtue-signalling.
    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    And why exactly SHOULD we be responsible for the long-term housing and well-being of "refugees"/economic migrants?

    Whatever about temporarily providing shelter during a time of war or significant danger in their homeland, what's wrong with sending them home when the danger has passed if they're unable to support themselves at that stage.


    they are sent home after the danger has passed.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,189 ✭✭✭✭ _Kaiser_


    there is no such thing as virtue-signalling.




    they are sent home after the danger has passed.

    You saying something doesn't exist doesn't make it so. How about answering the rest of my point though?

    Really? As far as I'm aware there's no such plan.. the objective seems to be to encourage/enable them to resettle here and allow them to appeal every effort to return them (multiple times) from what we've seen already in the past.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,987 Mod ✭✭✭✭ riffmongous


    Which in my opinion they should ONLY get when every single one of our people are fed, clothed and housed.

    We are a comparitively rich, well developed country, we should be able to do more than one thing at a time. That we have so many problems is most likely as much due to a lack of political will as anything else.

    And because there might be a will there in certain people to help refuges shouldn't mean that they should be castigated for not helping the homeless, but rather the polticians who aren't helping anyone in need should be the ones being pressured


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,023 Donal55


    there is no such thing as virtue-signalling.




    they are sent home after the danger has passed.

    Why do we give them citizenship so?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 148 ✭✭ PantsBliz


    there is no such thing as virtue-signalling.
    they are sent home after the danger has passed.
    Actually they are not. How many Bosnians, etc, have been sent home?
    Syrian refugees are encouraged to apply for Irish citizenship and settle here by our representatives ie. Micheal Martin

    Further, Syrian refugees are given accommodation from social housing stock after three months.
    This is a slap in the face to irish homeless, on the street, in hostels, hotels, on housing waiting lists for years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭ Ulysses Gaze


    there is no such thing as virtue-signalling.

    Prove it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,865 ✭✭✭ rgossip30


    http://www.thejournal.ie/refugee-resettlement-families-3695987-Nov2017/

    A article about refugee family reunification and the numbers to come under the present system .


  • Registered Users Posts: 656 ✭✭✭ drake70


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    They are already citizens so will have no effect on them. Thankfully.

    But possibly for their "husbands".

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/ibrahim-halawas-sisters-sue-minister-for-justice-over-delay-in-husbands-visas-790743.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭ Hitman3000


    drake70 wrote:
    But possibly for their "husbands".


    Those 2 are presently suing the state, nothing got to do with refugees.


  • Registered Users Posts: 656 ✭✭✭ drake70


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Those 2 are presently suing the state, nothing got to do with refugees.

    Oh right, sorry.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,339 ✭✭✭✭ The_Kew_Tour


    I like help people fleeing War. I don't have problem with helping people who have no home and family.

    I do have other concerns and if they do want come to Ireland they have to accept they might not get best standards as many of our own don't.

    Housing crisis in places like UK, Ireland, Sweden and Germany should give you idea that it's more then Just conincidence.

    Look what New Zealand are doing with blocking Foreign buyers now. Will never happen for the outrage it would get from the minority here, but while there many reasons for the housing crisis the fact some just get house so easy having never paid a penny in tax is only causing situation to spiral out of control.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 PeterParker957


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    And why exactly SHOULD we be responsible for the long-term housing and well-being of "refugees"/economic migrants?

    Whatever about temporarily providing shelter during a time of war or significant danger in their homeland, what's wrong with sending them home when the danger has passed if they're unable to support themselves at that stage.

    @Kaiser. We should but when all our people are looked after. Not before.

    I think the concept of "temporary" never existed tbh, once they're here, they're hard to shift.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,965 Help!!!!


    rgossip30 wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/government-defeated-in-seanad-on-private-member-s-refugee-bill-1.3284829

    The Bill paves the way for refugees to bring grandparents, cousins, nephews, nieces and siblings to Ireland by expanding the reunification programme.
    Interesting the outcome does the Seanad have the influence to change policy ?

    When will Irish people wake up & see we are having our country sold off from under our feet.As long as our politicians are getting there 30 pieces of silver they dont care. They dont want to fix anything in the country because they know theres no point because we will end up a third world country soon enough. For every 1 refugee(migrants) you can add roughly 20
    We have had roughly 400 so called Syrians come here already with another 300 odd to come in January so that 700 x by 20 (will be more) = 14,000
    Where are they going to go? Are they all doctors/engineers or will it be like in the UK where over half will not work. Where will they find jobs?
    George Soros is funding most of the push for immigrants to Europe he wants Europe to take at least 1million a year. Poland has the right idea unfortunately our elected gobshiites will bend over backwards for the EU


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  • Registered Users Posts: 30,264 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling


    5000 + refugees currently here ,
    Allow parents, grandparents,aunt's and uncles to come and stay too we then have the 5000 X 4,5,6 times that figure with no where to whenever they all arrive ,

    Absolutely stupid idea for anyone in government to back ,


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