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Eir rural FTTH thread
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SmithySeller wrote: »Can I ask folks, what has to happen once the fibre has been run to your housing estate. I live in a reasonably rural village and the estate has fibre running to a cabinet outside my house. Recently KN Networks have been in running fibre from this cabinet to one off housing in the Countryside or Road-Side close by. It turns out these people have managed to Order Fibre to the Home from Eir. Now, if any of the estate try to order it the EirCode says its available, but when you order it, during the process you stick in your phone number and it says its not available. KN Networks say its all ready and has been for a while.
My question is which comes first, the remaining run into the house or the order. It would seem for the other houses, it was the order. How I don't know they have managed to order it.
I currently have 12Mb using Vodafone. I tried ordering from Eir. Does anyone know if its just a waiting game or what needs to happen to get Fibre?
BTW, I asked Vodafone and they said this is exclusively an Eir thing, and they wont be able to supply fibre. Any help appreciated.
Just to clarify, FTTH (aka eirFibre Extreme) cable runs direct from the exchange to each premises and not from a roadside cabinet, it simply passes under the cabinet. A certain number of fibres in the cable go into the cab for FTTC services (copper to the home within 2kms).
You say the cabinet is outside your house, in that case I assume they will provide you with FTTC/VDSL (aka eirFibre), i.e. over the existing copper line from the cabinet, with speed up to 100 Mbps depending on your line distance from the cabinet. If your copper line is capable of speeds in excess of 30 Mbps then most likely it'll be FTTC.
Zoom in on your house on the fibre rollout map here - http://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/ , does it have a blue icon on it for planned FTTH or is it in the green FTTC area?
Check this link for FTTH and FTTC resellers here - http://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/where-to-buy/
Green square icon represents FTTC resellers and green circle for FTTH resellers.
FTTC/VDSL (up to 100 Mbps) speed vs. copper line distance
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SIRO and ENET are in a very different scenario to Eir. Eir has almost 1200 exchanges with over around 7k cabs when they started this with an extensive fibre backhaul network, compare that to SIRO who are in a few towns and ENET who have done a trial.
It's a hell of a lot easier for Eir to do this compared to any of the others.
Also, Eir's No. 1 ambition is to go to IPO. It's very obvious from on here with the many examples where they have left out premises who are along the yellow line from their 300k rollout plan or left 1 or 2 houses at the end of a blue line which are only 100m onwards from the last house on the yellow line. It is no more commercially un-viable to serve that house than the one before it. But if you leave it out then it makes it commercially un-viable for SIRO or ENET to connect it as they won't want to rent 3km of dark fibre from Eir to serve that last house 100m from the end of the blue line and you couldn't run 3km of new fibre to connect just 1 house.
Eir pulled a masterstroke in what they done and it's will be fantastic for everyone who gets connected as part of the 300k. However it will push up the price overall for the NBP, push it out further and could well jeopardize the whole project which suits Eir and their shareholders perfectly.
As it's doesnt affect me in terms of my own broadband, I think looking at the bigger picture it's really bad for those outside of the 300k. It's also not good for at least 10% of those within the 300k who will now get VDSL when they would have gotten FTTH if they had of been done as part of the NBP.Because they had 3 bidders being able to compete on a near level playing field, but now the only bidder that will come back with a reasonable price is Eir. The thing is Eir now know that SIRO and ENET will be extremely costly so all Eir really have to do is be a little less extremely costly and they will win it! And it's hard to know if SIRO or ENET would even bother going much further in the process now.If the department gets Eir to commit to passing these strategically placed 300k homes and then have them removed the NBP plan, then Eir know that no other bidder will be able to compete with them on it so they would basically win it by default.
The department now to need to concern themselves with not only homes being "passed" but homes been "connectable". There is quite an important distinction between these two. If Eir are passing only and not connecting them then it doesn't meet the departments requirements. I hope for the sake of us all that the department don't drop the ball on this.Regarding the dark fibre, that's what was in the papers this week.
As far as the cost, if SIRO or ENET pull out then Eir can charge whatever they like to do it and will be able to subsidise their 300k rollout as a result.
Lets say the Eir 300k never happened and the bids were as follows:
Eir €1k/home or €900M for 900k homes
SIRO €1k/home or €900M for 900k homes
ENET €1k/home or €900M for 900k homes
Now with Eir suddenly being able to do the cherry picked 300k homes commercially for €666/home or 200M as quoted in the papers.
So lets say the bids are now as follows:
SIRO €1400/home or €840M for 600k homes
ENET €1400/home or €840M for 600k homes
Above are obviously just made up examples but ENET and SIRO costs would go up as they still have to rollout fibre to the very last home while passing by 100s of houses that are now all signed up to Eir FTTH.
They will have to either rent dark fibre of Eir to pick up random houses in the 300k area or else build out their own network to pick up just 1-2 houses that Eir have left behind when pre 300k it would have been for lets say 100 houses then new cost per home has gone up hugely inside the 300k area for them.
So Eir now are in a position that they don't care how much it will cost them to build the last 600k, they just need to be able to put in a price that is cheaper than SIRO and ENET. So Eir tell the government that the price is now €1300/home for the rest or €780M
So Eir just bid made 80M and as a result have subsided their 300k rollout as well because their total spend on 300k + NBP area is now €200M + €780M when their original price would have been €980M.
So really smart by them but overall bad for everyone else!!
I'll just leave these here
Very disappointing indeed to see SIRO pull out but it's not one bit surprising. I really do wonder why ENET are still in, wonder is it something to do with the MAN deal that got extended very quietly a few months back.0 -
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That makes no sense - densely populated areas are far more economical to roll out to than vast expanses with sporadic population.
You're saying because it's a small number it's not worth rolling out to? But you're not taking into account it's size - i.e tiny by comparison to areas that have already gone live. Surely it should be based on homes per km rather than just number of homes in an exchange area. Also they are working in adjacent areas already so it's not like they have to travel hundreds of miles to get there either. So costs would not outweigh return. Think you'd need to take a look at google maps.Are you trolling with comments like that?It's mad really, as Castletroy isn't that far from being Urban. There's got to be some legacy reason for that.
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Just to jump back up to this for a second. I was responding on my phone and missed some stuff.
CTY is a full blown early VDSL Exchange. NGB and LLU'd. The reason the count is so low is this area is perfect for VDSL, so most get it.
There are a few satellite homes that dont quite fall under the zone of a VDSL cab or predate the cabs existence so end up with a service that doesnt qualify them as covered. The 58 PON runs fill that gap in and then its the legwork done for the NBP to pay them to run further east if required.0 -
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