Eir rural FTTH thread

Johnboy1951 · 06-04-2017 12:04PM

jgbyr wrote: »

This maybe true, but eir have dumped alot of properties that were along the Ftth route & these now will take alot longer to be done under the nbp.

A lot longer than what?

If the premises are not commercially suitable what do you expect?

jgbyr · 06-04-2017 12:07PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

A lot longer than what?

If the premises are not commercially suitable what do you expect.

The dates supplied by eir on the fibre rollout map.

I'm not an expert on commercial viability, unlike you obviously.

banjopeter · 06-04-2017 12:21PM

Census 2016 preliminary stats are out, and they reckon that 61% of rural dwellings have Broadband.http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/population/2017/Chapter_9_Housing.pdf
Not if you use the government's own standard of 30mb download minimum. http://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/communications/topics/Broadband/national-broadband-plan/Pages/National-Broadband-Plan.aspx
Also, what are the 12.7% "other" using? Dial-up?

Johnboy1951 · 06-04-2017 12:25PM

jgbyr wrote: »

The dates supplied by eir on the fibre rollout map.

Eir never guaranteed any premises in any area an upgraded service.
They did not guarantee any dates either.
They estimated dates for areas.
Apparently you mis-read or mis-understood.
Certainly eir's blurb could have that result, but there were - up to now - no specifics.
Now there is a signed contract with the premises specified.

I'm not an expert on commercial viability, unlike you obviously.

It is eir's decision what is commercially viable for them.
It is solely their decision.

Grumpypants · 06-04-2017 12:28PM

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celtic_oz · 06-04-2017 12:30PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I really cannot understand the negative reactions to the eir 300k roll out.

unless your in the "screwed" end of the line

Johnboy1951 · 06-04-2017 12:41PM

celtic_oz wrote: »

unless your in the "screwed" end of the line

The only difference is that your neighbours might get fast connection before you.
The alternative is that everyone waits.

I guess being jealous of the neighbours' good fortune is an expected reaction, but hardly 'screwed'.

celtic_oz · 06-04-2017 01:45PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

The only difference is that your neighbours might get fast connection before you.
The alternative is that everyone waits.

I guess being jealous of the neighbours' good fortune is an expected reaction, but hardly 'screwed'.

unless the screwed section is 200K people who get sent a 5g dongle on the last day .. when they ask why they cant get 30mbs they are told "contention ratio" (ask three about that ploy)

meanwhile they have waited 3-5 years while their neighbours are on 1Gbs fibre

Its not jealousy its maddening.

Johnboy1951 · 06-04-2017 01:55PM

celtic_oz wrote: »

unless the screwed section is 200K people who get sent a 5g dongle on the last day .. when they ask why they cant get 30mbs they are told "contention ratio" (ask three about that ploy)

meanwhile they have waited 3-5 years while their neighbours are on 1GB fibre its not jealousy its maddening

Hahahahahahahaha ........ no need to worry ...... those 200k will have moved in 5 years time so nobody gets screwed.

yabadabado · 06-04-2017 02:28PM

I see my local exchange was estimated for yesterday 5/4/17 for 1000mb.

Anyone who has gotten theirs sorted how long after was it before they actually could order it.
Or is it hit and miss for every exchange?

highdef · 06-04-2017 03:35PM

I'm in a semi rural area of Kildare, not far from Enfield and I see that there is now an overhead fibre cable passing through the area above the lower hanging big twisted copper cables. At each pole that's near a house, there a cable tails rolled up and hanging on the poles. So it looks like my own area will soon become fibre connected.....happy days as I couldn't get any sort of BB via landline since I bought my home almost 8 years ago.

damienirel · 06-04-2017 03:51PM

Gonzo wrote: »

I think Siro have more to answer than anyone. Their original press releases pointed towards a rural development and their website had up until recently images of rural ireland, mountains and one off housing which was very misleading. Siro only operate in urban areas and now there website has been updated to reflect that, referring to regional Ireland instead of rural Ireland and images showing more urban like locations.

Siro will never set foot in rural Ireland unless they win part of the NBP. They are an urban fibre broadband provider similar to Virgin Media.

Siro are only starting out in telecommunications. Eir unfortunately have been the inept disaster of a company that were gifted the national telephone network. They change their name so the can pretend they're new to the party.
They have been nothing short of an embarrassment over the last two decades. Giving them the soft 300k in the hope that it might jumpstart what must be a dying company is probably not a bad idea - but only if the dept. keep a watchful eye and hold them to the contract. Otherwise we'll be all back on those 3 dongles. :P

plodder · 06-04-2017 03:54PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

The only difference is that your neighbours might get fast connection before you.
The alternative is that everyone waits.

I guess being jealous of the neighbours' good fortune is an expected reaction, but hardly 'screwed'.

I agree. I don't really buy what that diagram is suggesting. It isn't really the case that the cost of installing FTTH goes up the more subscribers you have. The installation cost for the first 10,000 subscribers is not likely to be less than the last 10,000 (of the 300K). If anything, they will get better and more efficient as they go along. Completing all 300K by a specific short deadline is a different question obviously. But, they will get there sooner or later.

d31b0y · 06-04-2017 04:25PM

Maybe a dumb question but... if I decide not to pull the trigger on FTTH when my area goes live and instead push it out by a few months, will I run into any hassle? e.g. extra delays, possibility of not getting it at all etc.?

celtic_oz · 06-04-2017 05:06PM

plodder wrote: »

I agree. I don't really buy what that diagram is suggesting. It isn't really the case that the cost of installing FTTH goes up the more subscribers you have. The installation cost for the first 10,000 subscribers is not likely to be less than the last 10,000 (of the 300K). If anything, they will get better and more efficient as they go along. Completing all 300K by a specific short deadline is a different question obviously. But, they will get there sooner or later.

the diagram is suggesting that the first houses to be connected will be the lowest cost

Eir will delay an install proportional to the cost of it. Example you are part of the 300k but you live up a hill on your own with no other houses for 10 miles .. Eir will delay your install until they have every house that is less costly done.

if you are in the last third of most costly homes you are potentially screwed.

detective · 06-04-2017 05:07PM

The Cush wrote: »

The premises identified below is half way on a blue/yellow line route and approx. 70m from the pole on the road with the existing phone line ducted to the house but has not been included in the 300,000, fails eircode check, it and 1 other premises (450m from the road) on that road have been bypassed. I can understand the one at 450m not being included but the other I don't when you consider there are other premises in the exchange area that are further from the road and have been included, two that I checked were between 200m and 210m from the main road. Is there any logic to this

I'm in the same boat, awaiting a response from Eir and the Department.

plodder · 06-04-2017 05:16PM

celtic_oz wrote: »

the diagram is suggesting that the first houses to be connected will be the lowest cost

Eir will delay an install proportional to the cost of it. Example you are part of the 300k but you live up a hill on your own with no other houses for 10 miles .. Eir will delay your install until they have every house that is less costly done.

Can you point to examples of this on the map?

if you are in the last third of most costly homes you are potentially screwed.

The bottom line is that they restricted themselves to only premises they regard as commercial. So, I'd be surprised if as many as one third of the total turn out to be considerably more expensive to install. What you are talking about is more a problem for the NBP, which will have this dilemma to deal with.

rob808 · 06-04-2017 05:56PM

damienirel wrote: »

Siro are only starting out in telecommunications. Eir unfortunately have been the inept disaster of a company that were gifted the national telephone network. They change their name so the can pretend they're new to the party.
They have been nothing short of an embarrassment over the last two decades. Giving them the soft 300k in the hope that it might jumpstart what must be a dying company is probably not a bad idea - but only if the dept. keep a watchful eye and hold them to the contract. Otherwise we'll be all back on those 3 dongles. :P

The problem with Eircom now Eir was it keep changing owners which keep asset stripping it and not investing in the infrastructure and pocketing the money and sold it again and government did notting to stop it.The shareholders that taken it over now cant do that anymore given why there investing in it now to sell it.

Johnboy1951 · 06-04-2017 06:08PM

d31b0y wrote: »

Maybe a dumb question but... if I decide not to pull the trigger on FTTH when my area goes live and instead push it out by a few months, will I run into any hassle? e.g. extra delays, possibility of not getting it at all etc.?

If you are one of the 300k then there are 'rules' that eir have to abide by, which are laid out in the contract.
One of them specifies how long eir can take to make a connection after a customer requests it ...... I *think* 20 days, but that is only from memory.
You should have a read of the contract if you are in the 300k roll out.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 06-04-2017 07:57PM

The map was updated today.

Tomhaggard in Wexford got given a live date of the 5th of April? Not sure what is going on there.

All these areas are due live on the 3rd of May

Carlow MILFORD
Carlow Tullow
Clare Cratloe
Clare Lisdoonvarna
Cork Carrigtwohill
Cork Midleton
Donegal Carrigart
Donegal Donegal
Galway Claregalway
Galway Kilcolgan
Galway Rosscahill
Kerry Killarney
Kildare Donadea
Kilkenny Knocktopher
Kilkenny Mooncoin
Kilkenny Piltown
Limerick PALLASGREEN
Louth Ardee
Louth Riverstown
Meath Enfield
Meath Trim
Offaly Tullamore
Roscommon CROGHAN
Sligo CASTLEGARREN
Waterford AGLISH
Waterford Dungarvan
Wexford Enniscorthy
Wicklow Arklow
Wicklow Donard

The spreadsheet is updated with the changes.

Total premises (excluding urban-rural) is : 22260 (20.93%)

Pangea · 06-04-2017 11:35PM

Where are you guys placing the ODP/ONT?
I would like to place it in my bedroom so I hope they can do that. At present I have two cables connected from my router to two RJ45/Cat5e sockets on the wall of my room which then feeds two cat5e cables to two other rooms in the house, does anyone know if I would still be able to use this system with FFTH?

shooting101 · 07-04-2017 12:27AM

Hi just a question,on their rural Forbes routes I live 2.5km from one of there fire service live, on the map my road where I live is yellow? When is the 1gps going to to out all around 2020?

The Cush · 07-04-2017 12:34AM

shooting101 wrote: »

Hi just a question,on their rural Forbes routes I live 2.5km from one of there fire service live, on the map my road where I live is yellow? When is the 1gps going to to out all around 2020?

Follow the yellow line back to the exchange on the rollout map, tick ALL in the right hand panel, hover over the large marker at your exchange, this will tell you when FTTH goes live in your area.

shooting101 · 07-04-2017 12:36AM

The Cush wrote: »

Follow the yellow line back to the exchange on the rollout map, tick ALL in the right hand panel, hover over the large marker at your exchange, this will tell you when FTTH goes live in your area.

Great just done that there 2018, is when the 1gps is out what's there 100mb like and ping do you know ?

The Cush · 07-04-2017 12:40AM

shooting101 wrote: »

Great just done that there 2018, is when the 1gps is out what's there 100mb like and ping do you know ?

Their 100 Mbps is VDSL which is distance limited to 2km (or in some cases 1.5km), at 2.5km it won't be available to you.

JohnC. · 07-04-2017 05:59AM

Maybe some hope for those worried about date slippage on the map. Mine went from Spring/Summer to Autumn. But now it's 3 May, making the previous Spring/Summer time.

Now my big concern is where they want their equipment so I can be sure to have a power socket for it.

Decoda · 07-04-2017 06:16AM

Pangea wrote: »

Where are you guys placing the ODP/ONT?
I would like to place it in my bedroom so I hope they can do that. At present I have two cables connected from my router to two RJ45/Cat5e sockets on the wall of my room which then feeds two cat5e cables to two other rooms in the house, does anyone know if I would still be able to use this system with FFTH?

When I got it installed the technician said that he was governed by the rule that he could only install the ODP / ONT up to 1m inside of the dwelling. Fortunately in my case he allowed me a little leeway as long as I crawled around in the attic and brought the fibre to the top of the stira attic stairs where the power points were located.

D.

digiman · 07-04-2017 08:52AM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I really cannot understand the negative reactions to the eir 300k roll out.

What we should be doing is asking why Enet and Siro have not done something similar.

That they haven't should be telling us something and causing negative reaction to their lack of effort.

IF eir can manage to fulfil the contract that will be a HUGE step forward for 300k premises ...... nearly 1 million people will benefit.

I have my doubts that eir can do this ...... but they have signed a legal agreement, so for now they get the benefit of the doubt from me.

SIRO and ENET are in a very different scenario to Eir. Eir has almost 1200 exchanges with over around 7k cabs when they started this with an extensive fibre backhaul network, compare that to SIRO who are in a few towns and ENET who have done a trial.

It's a hell of a lot easier for Eir to do this compared to any of the others.

Also, Eir's No. 1 ambition is to go to IPO. It's very obvious from on here with the many examples where they have left out premises who are along the yellow line from their 300k rollout plan or left 1 or 2 houses at the end of a blue line which are only 100m onwards from the last house on the yellow line. It is no more commercially un-viable to serve that house than the one before it. But if you leave it out then it makes it commercially un-viable for SIRO or ENET to connect it as they won't want to rent 3km of dark fibre from Eir to serve that last house 100m from the end of the blue line and you couldn't run 3km of new fibre to connect just 1 house.

Eir pulled a masterstroke in what they done and it's will be fantastic for everyone who gets connected as part of the 300k. However it will push up the price overall for the NBP, push it out further and could well jeopardize the whole project which suits Eir and their shareholders perfectly.

As it's doesnt affect me in terms of my own broadband, I think looking at the bigger picture it's really bad for those outside of the 300k. It's also not good for at least 10% of those within the 300k who will now get VDSL when they would have gotten FTTH if they had of been done as part of the NBP.

plodder · 07-04-2017 09:48AM

digiman wrote: »

SIRO and ENET are in a very different scenario to Eir. Eir has almost 1200 exchanges with over around 7k cabs when they started this with an extensive fibre backhaul network, compare that to SIRO who are in a few towns and ENET who have done a trial.

It's a hell of a lot easier for Eir to do this compared to any of the others.

That's just economic efficiency though. The same thing would happen the other way, if Eir decided to get into the electricity business

Also, Eir's No. 1 ambition is to go to IPO. It's very obvious from on here with the many examples where they have left out premises who are along the yellow line from their 300k rollout plan or left 1 or 2 houses at the end of a blue line which are only 100m onwards from the last house on the yellow line. It is no more commercially un-viable to serve that house than the one before it. But if you leave it out then it makes it commercially un-viable for SIRO or ENET to connect it as they won't want to rent 3km of dark fibre from Eir to serve that last house 100m from the end of the blue line and you couldn't run 3km of new fibre to connect just 1 house.

That is a fair point. Maybe SIRO and ENET can compete for connections along the existing 300k routes as well though. Not everyone is going to sign up immediately. I wonder is there anything stopping them from doing that right now?

Also, is it set in stone that's exactly how Eir's infrastructure will be shared? By renting out dark fibre? And what happened to the idea of running their own fibre on ESB poles?

Eir pulled a masterstroke in what they done and it's will be fantastic for everyone who gets connected as part of the 300k. However it will push up the price overall for the NBP, push it out further and could well jeopardize the whole project which suits Eir and their shareholders perfectly.

I'm finding it hard to be convinced other than all they've done is to use their own sectoral expertise, and be quick off the mark, compared to the others.....

As regards the NBP. It seems like it might skew the project towards Eir, but I don't see how it will push the price up. If Eir hadn't done the 300K then the whole country would have had to be subsidised.

Gwynston · 07-04-2017 09:58AM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

The map was updated today.

All these areas are due live on the 3rd of May

Galway Claregalway

The spreadsheet is updated with the changes.

Well on the face of it, that's exciting news for me! :cool:
But in reality I don't see how that can be achieved because on my road (from Loughgeorge to Corandulla) there are no splice boxes yet. Just bare fibre cables on the poles.

I'll have to take a look around other parts of the Claregalway exchange to see if there are any slice boxes yet, but I can't help thinking that May-3rd date indicates when the first expected live connections are.

But Claregalway is one of the largest exchanges in the country (1400 premises :eek:) and so is really more equivalent to like 3 or 4 other separate exchange areas. I don't see how they can suddenly make 1400 premises active at once - the cabling goes via 3 or 4 separate cabinets in the area.

Unfortunately for me, I suspect that date will apply to people on the Galway side of the village which looks to have progressed further, and is at the opposite end of the exchange area to me :rolleyes:

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