Eir rural FTTH thread

Gonzo · 07-04-2017 10:39AM

My installation got moved from next Tuesday to this morning and I'm not at home till later. The installers were provided the wrong splicebox and are dragging cable from 300 meters away instead of the pole opposite the house. They seemed determined to plough ahead with the install anyway. Not sure what to expect when I get home but I'm excited.

highdef · 07-04-2017 10:56AM

Gonzo wrote: »

My installation got moved from next Tuesday to this morning and I'm not at home till later. The installers were provided the wrong splicebox and are dragging cable from 300 meters away instead of the pole opposite the house. They seemed determined to plough ahead with the install anyway. Not sure what to expect when I get home but I'm excited.

Looking forward to hear how you get on. Just wondering, what pack/speeds have you signed up to? Apologies if you already mentioned it before.

Gonzo · 07-04-2017 11:01AM

I went for the 300, il probably be on wireless for a while depending on what part of the room they install and the length of Ethernet cable provided. Won't find out till I get home.

digiman · 07-04-2017 12:03PM

plodder wrote: »

That's just economic efficiency though. The same thing would happen the other way, if Eir decided to get into the electricity business

That is a fair point. Maybe SIRO and ENET can compete for connections along the existing 300k routes as well though. Not everyone is going to sign up immediately. I wonder is there anything stopping them from doing that right now?

Also, is it set in stone that's exactly how Eir's infrastructure will be shared? By renting out dark fibre? And what happened to the idea of running their own fibre on ESB poles?

I'm finding it hard to be convinced other than all they've done is to use their own sectoral expertise, and be quick off the mark, compared to the others.....

As regards the NBP. It seems like it might skew the project towards Eir, but I don't see how it will push the price up. If Eir hadn't done the 300K then the whole country would have had to be subsidised.

Regarding the dark fibre, that's what was in the papers this week.

As far as the cost, if SIRO or ENET pull out then Eir can charge whatever they like to do it and will be able to subsidise their 300k rollout as a result.

Lets say the Eir 300k never happened and the bids were as follows:
Eir â‚¬1k/home or â‚¬900M for 900k homes
SIRO â‚¬1k/home or â‚¬900M for 900k homes
ENET â‚¬1k/home or â‚¬900M for 900k homes

Now with Eir suddenly being able to do the cherry picked 300k homes commercially for â‚¬666/home or 200M as quoted in the papers.

So lets say the bids are now as follows:
SIRO â‚¬1400/home or â‚¬840M for 600k homes
ENET â‚¬1400/home or â‚¬840M for 600k homes

Above are obviously just made up examples but ENET and SIRO costs would go up as they still have to rollout fibre to the very last home while passing by 100s of houses that are now all signed up to Eir FTTH.

They will have to either rent dark fibre of Eir to pick up random houses in the 300k area or else build out their own network to pick up just 1-2 houses that Eir have left behind when pre 300k it would have been for lets say 100 houses then new cost per home has gone up hugely inside the 300k area for them.

So Eir now are in a position that they don't care how much it will cost them to build the last 600k, they just need to be able to put in a price that is cheaper than SIRO and ENET. So Eir tell the government that the price is now â‚¬1300/home for the rest or â‚¬780M

So Eir just bid made 80M and as a result have subsided their 300k rollout as well because their total spend on 300k + NBP area is now â‚¬200M + â‚¬780M when their original price would have been â‚¬980M.

So really smart by them but overall bad for everyone else!!

Johnboy1951 · 07-04-2017 12:15PM

digiman wrote: »

Regarding the dark fibre, that's what was in the papers this week.

As far as the cost, if SIRO or ENET pull out then Eir can charge whatever they like to do it and will be able to subsidise their 300k rollout as a result.

Lets say the Eir 300k never happened and the bids were as follows:
Eir â‚¬1k/home or â‚¬900M for 900k homes
SIRO â‚¬1k/home or â‚¬900M for 900k homes
ENET â‚¬1k/home or â‚¬900M for 900k homes

Now with Eir suddenly being able to do the cherry picked 300k homes commercially for â‚¬666/home or 200M as quoted in the papers.

So lets say the bids are now as follows:
SIRO â‚¬1400/home or â‚¬840M for 600k homes
ENET â‚¬1400/home or â‚¬840M for 600k homes

Above are obviously just made up examples but ENET and SIRO costs would go up as they still have to rollout fibre to the very last home while passing by 100s of houses that are now all signed up to Eir FTTH.

They will have to either rent dark fibre of Eir to pick up random houses in the 300k area or else build out their own network to pick up just 1-2 houses that Eir have left behind when pre 300k it would have been for lets say 100 houses then new cost per home has gone up hugely inside the 300k area for them.

So Eir now are in a position that they don't care how much it will cost them to build the last 600k, they just need to be able to put in a price that is cheaper than SIRO and ENET. So Eir tell the government that the price is now â‚¬1300/home for the rest or â‚¬780M

So Eir just bid made 80M and as a result have subsided their 300k rollout as well because their total spend on 300k + NBP area is now â‚¬200M + â‚¬780M when their original price would have been â‚¬980M.

So really smart by them but overall bad for everyone else!!

How is it bad for the tax payer to pay 780 and not 900 to achieve the same result? (yes I understand those are made up figures)

The minister is bound to get the best deal he can for the taxpayer.
It seems from your figures he has.

Gonzo · 07-04-2017 12:39PM

Engineer called me and the installation is complete can't wait to mess around with it when I get home !

niallb · 07-04-2017 12:41PM

Gonzo wrote: »

Engineer called me and the installation is complete can't wait to mess around with it when I get home !

Really pleased to hear it.
Maybe they'll start working on the far end of the line soon now!

banjopeter · 07-04-2017 01:02PM

Gonzo wrote: »

Engineer called me and the installation is complete can't wait to mess around with it when I get home !

Congrats! How long from making the order to delivery?

redfacedbear · 07-04-2017 01:06PM

My installation was brought forward from Wednesday to today too. The guy has just finished up. Unfortunately, while the installation went smoothly here apparently the fibre further upstream is dark and he has no idea why - could be a glitch that will resolve itself with the flick of a switch somewhere on the network or could be a fault/disconnection along the line that'll take time to resolve.

So I'm sitting here looking at a funky f2000 modem while still connected to my WISP

At least it's the whole road affected so hopefully they won't be long sorting it out.

Gonzo · 07-04-2017 01:14PM

banjopeter wrote: »

Gonzo wrote: »

Engineer called me and the installation is complete can't wait to mess around with it when I get home !

Congrats! How long from making the order to delivery?

My order was resubmitted on Wednesday afternoon and installed about 38 hours later!!!

Bored Accountant · 07-04-2017 02:24PM

I think there has been suggestions that Eir could be forced to allow Enet/Siro use their current fibre network at no additional cost to allow the NBP rollout happen. So Eir would be responsible to allow Enet just connect to the end of the fibre eir rolled out for the 300k meaning that all 3 providers can still give same price to reach the reamining houses without eir having any advantage of trying to jump the gun.

cnocbui · 07-04-2017 02:30PM

Bored Accountant wrote: »

I think there has been suggestions that Eir could be forced to allow Enet/Siro use their current fibre network at no additional cost to allow the NBP rollout happen. So Eir would be responsible to allow Enet just connect to the end of the fibre eir rolled out for the 300k meaning that all 3 providers can still give same price to reach the reamining houses without eir having any advantage of trying to jump the gun.

Link?

plodder · 07-04-2017 02:41PM

Bored Accountant wrote: »

I think there has been suggestions that Eir could be forced to allow Enet/Siro use their current fibre network at no additional cost to allow the NBP rollout happen. So Eir would be responsible to allow Enet just connect to the end of the fibre eir rolled out for the 300k meaning that all 3 providers can still give same price to reach the reamining houses without eir having any advantage of trying to jump the gun.

That would obviously make sense for Siro and Enet, and would probably be resisted by Eir. I can see it from both sides. So I'd be afraid it will end up in the courts... Shouldn't Comreg or the Dept. be involved in this? Even agreeing a price for dark fibre could be tricky.

Bored Accountant · 07-04-2017 02:52PM

Don't have a link. It was somebody told me about it. Don't hink I read it. Maybe somebody in the NBP thread would have more details?
I think no matter what way it ends up going, or who wins the NBP, it will end up in court. So for those of us on the 300k won't have to worry about it.

rob808 · 07-04-2017 02:56PM

plodder wrote: »

That would obviously make sense for Siro and Enet, and would probably be resisted by Eir. I can see it from both sides. So I'd be afraid it will end up in the courts... Shouldn't Comreg or the Dept. be involved in this? Even agreeing a price for dark fibre could be tricky.

I would say there some sort of agreement with Eir and government for letting the other two bidders to be able to access Eir infrastructure for NBP at a reasonable price.

plodder · 07-04-2017 03:01PM

rob808 wrote: »

I would say there some sort of agreement with Eir and government for letting the other two bidders to be able to access Eir infrastructure for NBP at a reasonable price.

The commitment agreement does say that Eir:

... shall provide other commercial operators with access to the active and
passive infrastructure and network in the eir Deployment Area in
accordance with all Legal Requirements that eir is subject to;

which doesn't say a whole lot really, in terms of specifics.

KeRbDoG · 07-04-2017 03:06PM

I read that two ways;
- they get to use their fiber in the ground and run the last km themselves as Siro/Enet
- OR they get to resell their service when fiber it ran to/into a customer

oscarBravo · 07-04-2017 03:06PM

plodder wrote: »

That would obviously make sense for Siro and Enet, and would probably be resisted by Eir. I can see it from both sides. So I'd be afraid it will end up in the courts... Shouldn't Comreg or the Dept. be involved in this? Even agreeing a price for dark fibre could be tricky.

open eir's dark fibre pricing has been set by ComReg; it's €0.13 per strand per metre in rural areas. Actually getting to use it is another story.

plodder · 07-04-2017 03:21PM

oscarBravo wrote: »

open eir's dark fibre pricing has been set by ComReg; it's â‚¬0.13 per strand per metre in rural areas. Actually getting to use it is another story.

Price wise, that's pretty reasonable at EUR 130 per kilometre (per annum presumably).

oscarBravo · 07-04-2017 03:37PM

plodder wrote: »

Price wise, that's pretty reasonable at EUR 130 per kilometre (per annum presumably).

Per annum, yes. It's certainly pretty reasonable by comparison with others.

long_b · 07-04-2017 03:51PM

Anyone else just want to keep this tread to reporting progress /installation advice/signup deals and let the people who want to argue the NBP to find the other thread on it?

Also we have to leave room for Gonzo to post all of his videos and speedtests

Bored Accountant · 07-04-2017 03:56PM

long_b wrote: »

Anyone else just want to keep this tread to reporting progress /installation advice/signup deals and let the people who want to argue the NBP to find the other thread on it?

Also we have to leave room for Gonzo to post all of his videos and speedtests

+1
NBP thread has probably asked and answered 6 months ago what we are thinking.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 07-04-2017 05:10PM

Gwynston wrote: »

Well on the face of it, that's exciting news for me! :cool:
But in reality I don't see how that can be achieved because on my road (from Loughgeorge to Corandulla) there are no splice boxes yet. Just bare fibre cables on the poles.

I'll have to take a look around other parts of the Claregalway exchange to see if there are any slice boxes yet, but I can't help thinking that May-3rd date indicates when the first expected live connections are.

But Claregalway is one of the largest exchanges in the country (1400 premises :eek:) and so is really more equivalent to like 3 or 4 other separate exchange areas. I don't see how they can suddenly make 1400 premises active at once - the cabling goes via 3 or 4 separate cabinets in the area.

Unfortunately for me, I suspect that date will apply to people on the Galway side of the village which looks to have progressed further, and is at the opposite end of the exchange area to me :rolleyes:

You're correct. I'm sorry if I misled you. I did not mean that every premises in every area I listed was going live. I don't think they have launched any exchange with every premises done in one go. Hopefully you won't have long to wait though as they seem to do extra premises in the weeks following a go live date.

Gonzo · 07-04-2017 05:37PM

I can't believe it I finally have it, I cant take any pictures till tomorrow have to head out again for the night, the room is in a mess but here is some quick speedtest and ping results for now.

Pinging www.boards.ie [2400:cb00:2048:1::6814:1a0] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 2400:cb00:2048:1::6814:1a0: time=2ms
Reply from 2400:cb00:2048:1::6814:1a0: time=2ms
Reply from 2400:cb00:2048:1::6814:1a0: time=2ms
Reply from 2400:cb00:2048:1::6814:1a0: time=2ms

Ping statistics for 2400:cb00:2048:1::6814:1a0:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 2ms, Maximum = 2ms, Average = 2ms

ping www.rte.ie

Pinging www.rte.ie [104.16.42.72] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 104.16.42.72: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=57
Reply from 104.16.42.72: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=57
Reply from 104.16.42.72: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=57
Reply from 104.16.42.72: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=57

Ping statistics for 104.16.42.72:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 2ms, Maximum = 2ms, Average = 2ms

ping www.bbc.co.uk

Pinging www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.246.93] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 212.58.246.93: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=55
Reply from 212.58.246.93: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=55
Reply from 212.58.246.93: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=55
Reply from 212.58.246.93: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=55

Ping statistics for 212.58.246.93:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 12ms, Maximum = 13ms, Average = 12ms

ping www.jolt.co.uk

Pinging www.jolt.co.uk [104.155.45.104] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 104.155.45.104: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=56
Reply from 104.155.45.104: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=56
Reply from 104.155.45.104: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=56
Reply from 104.155.45.104: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=56

Ping statistics for 104.155.45.104:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 17ms, Maximum = 18ms, Average = 17ms

long_b · 07-04-2017 05:38PM

2 frickin ms ping!!!!

07-04-2017 05:43PM

long_b wrote: »

2 frickin ms ping!!!!

About 40 frickin fewer than before! :P
I used to get an average ping of 40ms+ now 1-3 is typical!

Pangea · 07-04-2017 05:50PM

Pangea wrote: »

At present I have two cables connected from my router to two RJ45 sockets on the wall of my room which then feeds two cat5e cables to two other rooms in the house, does anyone know if this would still work with FFTH?

Posted this last night but no reply, if any one could answer it please it would be appreciated Tks.

long_b · 07-04-2017 05:59PM

Pangea wrote: »

Posted this last night but no reply, if any one could answer it please it would be appreciated Tks.

Can't see why it wouldn't work. The router supplied by Eir will have probably 4 Ethernet ports. What's not to work ?
Apparently the Cat5e will even do 1Gb speeds if that's what you go for

overtime · 07-04-2017 06:02PM

Pangea wrote: »

Posted this last night but no reply, if any one could answer it please it would be appreciated Tks.

CAT5e will definitely do 1gbps

MajesticDonkey · 07-04-2017 06:05PM

I sometimes get a 2ms ping to my router, let alone fecking Dublin

Eir rural FTTH thread

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