Eir rural FTTH thread

BarryM · 24-09-2017 08:22AM

Marlow wrote: »

The thing is, what's being done here now, has been done in Scandinavia over 10 years ago. /M

...is still being done, Finland has 100Mb everywhere, provided as a subsidised infrastucture, for operators to plug in to. Our wafflers spent 2+years waiting for EU agreement to "provide state aid" and haven't yet even started to do it.

ED E · 24-09-2017 09:22AM

BarryM wrote: »

...is still being done, Finland has 100Mb everywhere, provided as a subsidised infrastucture, for operators to plug in to. Our wafflers spent 2+years waiting for EU agreement to "provide state aid" and haven't yet even started to do it.

Pedant: FI isn't Scandinavia, its Fennoscandia

Also they have a large cohort on 700Mhz LTE as fixed line services just don't make sense in the north/east.

Johnboy1951 · 24-09-2017 09:59AM

BarryM wrote: »

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+, the remark about eir upstaging the NBP in a post above doesn't make sense, even if it is probably true. eir want to get a major bit of the NBP, to subsidise their already high pricing, but want to be paid to do the hard bits, so, why bypass the easy parts (revenue generating areas) to do the relatively hard parts? Doesn't make sense to me.

Maybe to get 'out there' in the time allotted and have the infrastructure and time to 'fill in' what has been passed once the 'area' can be seen to be commercially services.

Marlow · 24-09-2017 11:32AM

ED E wrote: »

Not really. Huawei are one of/the biggest OEM in the space, OE is their trial partner. Yes copper may be close to EOL but VDS2+INP+Supervector is in no way outdated yet. Its bleeding edge...

Both SIRO and OpenEir are actually using Huawei. I'm not so sure what eNet are using.

Also, I'm not saying that copper is outdated. But the copper used in Ireland hasn't quite the quality it needs to keep up with tech. Nor is the fact of its sloppy installation helping it's reliability.

/M

Marlow · 24-09-2017 11:37AM

BarryM wrote: »

So, a properly planned and executed plan would allow for everybody to have the CHOICE. All we want is that.

That would require the NBP to be defined and executed right. I'll leave that here.

Right now, what the NBP does, is that houses who are marked as part of the NBP already and who get passed with Fiber, can't avail of the service, as Eir is not permitted to connect them. So it actually does the entire opposite.

/M

frozenfrozen · 24-09-2017 11:40AM

Marlow wrote: »

That would require the NBP to be defined and executed right. I'll leave that here.

Right now, what the NBP does, is that houses who are marked as part of the NBP already and who get passed with Fiber, can't avail of the service, as Eir is not permitted to connect them. So it actually does the entire opposite.

/M

That hasn't proved to be true for us. We are marked for NBP, but already had an install attempt with eir ftth

Marlow · 24-09-2017 11:42AM

ED E wrote: »

Pedant: FI isn't Scandinavia, its Fennoscandia

Also they have a large cohort on 700Mhz LTE as fixed line services just don't make sense in the north/east.

Jup.

In Denmark rural homes got connected with GigE interface by the electricity providers over a decade ago .. before Urban services were rolled out. The reason being, that no planning was needed in rural areas and villages. In the cities they had to apply for planning and were only allowed to open the roads when other services in the road had been notified so that works could be combined.

In Sweden urban areas got VDSL and FTTH even before that.

/M

The Cush · 24-09-2017 11:48AM

Marlow wrote: »

Right now, what the NBP does, is that houses who are marked as part of the NBP already and who get passed with Fiber, can't avail of the service, as Eir is not permitted to connect them.

Discussed here previously, there is no such clause, in fact properties in the NBP have have been connected.

Marlow · 24-09-2017 02:19PM

The Cush wrote: »

Discussed here previously, there is no such clause, in fact properties in the NBP have have been connected.

Still seems to be a problem for people though, as it is clear from the discussion in the Eir Fibre Rollout Map thread. I've come across the same scenario myself in some areas.

/M

The Cush · 24-09-2017 06:44PM

Marlow wrote: »

Still seems to be a problem for people though, as it is clear from the discussion in the Eir Fibre Rollout Map thread. I've come across the same scenario myself in some areas

No doubt they're being selective where they do extend into the NBP areas, we don't know what criteria they're using when they do this.

KOR101 · 24-09-2017 08:41PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

It is possible that the 6122 figure as quoted by the Department is the correct figure for premises connected under the rural 300,000 scheme.

http://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/communications/topics/Broadband/national-broadband-plan/latest-news/Pages/Latest-News.aspx

Richard Moat mentions 12000 in a Silicon Republic interview. Perhaps this is their combined FTTH connection number (urban and rural). Although he does mention rural he may be confusing the totals or he may have been misquoted.

https://www.siliconrepublic.com/comms/eir-richard-moat

And remember, the 6122 connections were for the over 70,000 homes 'passed'. So, we're already talking about a puzzlingly low take-up rate. The question mark in my mind was more about whether those 70,000 were really ready for connection. If Marlow has an inside track to real number it would be fascinating.

Blogin · 24-09-2017 09:55PM

KOR101 wrote: »

And remember, the 6122 connections were for the over 70,000 homes 'passed'. So, we're already talking about a puzzlingly low take-up rate. The question mark in my mind was more about whether those 70,000 were really ready for connection. If Marlow has an inside track to real number it would be fascinating.

70 euro a month is just too high. Most people I know won't be getting it. All they need is a basic internet service and mobile broadband does that at 1/3 of the price.

frozenfrozen · 24-09-2017 10:02PM

Blogin wrote: »

70 euro a month is just too high. Most people I know won't be getting it. All they need is a basic internet service and mobile broadband does that at 1/3 of the price.

It's not 70 per month for broadband only

tsue921i8wljb3 · 24-09-2017 10:05PM

Blogin wrote: »

70 euro a month is just too high. Most people I know won't be getting it. All they need is a basic internet service and mobile broadband does that at 1/3 of the price.

There is a 150Mb standalone broadband product available for €55 per month. It's not quite as cheap as mobile but it is so much better.

https://www.eir.ie/opencms/export/sites/default/.content/pdf/pricing/Part3.1.pdf

Blogin · 24-09-2017 10:25PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

There is a 150Mb standalone broadband product available for €55 per month. It's not quite as cheap as mobile but it is so much better.

https://www.eir.ie/opencms/export/sites/default/.content/pdf/pricing/Part3.1.pdf

Thanks for that link. I've been looking at the one on the eir site where it seems you need to get UK landline calls also (6 months at 35 euro and then 6 months at 70 euro, after that 75 euro for the 150mb package). Works out 30 euro cheaper for the first year.

rob808 · 24-09-2017 10:36PM

I want to pre-order 150mb I have broadband only option on my DSL.The girl I call early in the month from Eir said that my line could cease if I pre-order.I wonder would she being confused think it was FTTC couldn't see my DSl being turn off before I get FTTH.

Marlow · 24-09-2017 10:46PM

Blogin wrote: »

70 euro a month is just too high. Most people I know won't be getting it. All they need is a basic internet service and mobile broadband does that at 1/3 of the price.

Agreed. For the majority of irish broadband users approx 30 EUR (total) is the max. The landline rental of over 25 EUR (think it's about 28 these days) makes it impossible to deliver broadband on copper or fiber around that pricing. And Eir/OpenEIR hiked the pricing in August 2016, even for wholesale. And a landline is not so important for many people anymore as anyone has a mobile for calls.

Power Users will be ok to pay the higher prices, but average Joe won't. It's the reason that those WISPs, who actually take care of their customers, don't see too many customers wandering off.

The only reason there's some take up at those prices, is that business are pushing for home office workplaces to save cost for offices. Once they pay the broadband price, it doesn't matter too much. And then the speed is needed.

/M

westyIrl · 25-09-2017 02:59AM

Anyone got a FTTH bill to hand?

Does line rental apply to FTTH also and if so what is the rate?

Jim

BarryM · 25-09-2017 07:21AM

Marlow wrote: »

Right now, what the NBP does,

"does" ? vague blobs on maps? Can you specify anywhere that is "passed" by active fibre and is part of NBP actually.

as Eir is not permitted to connect them.

not permitted by whom, when?

BarryM · 25-09-2017 07:24AM

Marlow wrote: »

Jup.

In Denmark rural homes got connected with GigE interface by the electricity providers over a decade ago .. before Urban services were rolled out. The reason being, that no planning was needed in rural areas and villages. In the cities they had to apply for planning and were only allowed to open the roads when other services in the road had been notified so that works could be combined.

In Sweden urban areas got VDSL and FTTH even before that.

/M

"Great little country to do business"

BarryM · 25-09-2017 07:28AM

The Cush wrote: »

Discussed here previously, there is no such clause, in fact properties in the NBP have have been connected.

See my reply to Marlow, where? when? Since the contract signed with eir by the Dept., there are no specified NBP areas, technically, 'cos eir hasn't provided detailed locations of where they will connect.

addict · 25-09-2017 08:47AM

rob808 wrote: »

I want to pre-order 150mb I have broadband only option on my DSL.The girl I call early in the month from Eir said that my line could cease if I pre-order.I wonder would she being confused think it was FTTC couldn't see my DSl being turn off before I get FTTH.

Order by post code only then your sure of not losing service

turbbo · 25-09-2017 09:57AM

Marlow wrote: »

In Galway Eir bypassed some dense suburbs with no decent broadband and then enabled small enclaves around Galway Bay and Lough Corrib. Those builds show more like attempts to remove areas from the NBP, so that nobody gets funding to serve them.
/M

I can vouch for this in Castletroy, Limerick - not planned until end of 2018 yet they have a bunch of rural areas already live in the county. If thats not some attempt at grabbing NBP areas I don't know what it is. If Siro had any cop they would be in there hoovering up areas like this, swiping them out from Eirs grasp.

cnocbui · 25-09-2017 12:01PM

turbbo wrote: »

I can vouch for this in Castletroy, Limerick - not planned until end of 2018 yet they have a bunch of rural areas already live in the county. If thats not some attempt at grabbing NBP areas I don't know what it is. If Siro had any cop they would be in there hoovering up areas like this, swiping them out from Eirs grasp.

I thought the purpose of the rural FTTH program was to provide decent speeds to rural people who have never had them due to distance. I doubt the average speeds available to people in Castletroy is as low as for rural people 2km+ from the nearest exchange or fiber cabinet.

Pangea · 25-09-2017 01:10PM

Have to order ftth again today. The women on the phone the last day said I could order VOB with it if I wanted, should I?

rob808 · 25-09-2017 01:33PM

addict wrote: »

Order by post code only then your sure of not losing service

I preorder there through eir chat said my DSl should be ok.

turbbo · 25-09-2017 01:41PM

cnocbui wrote: »

I thought the purpose of the rural FTTH program was to provide decent speeds to rural people who have never had them due to distance. I doubt the average speeds available to people in Castletroy is as low as for rural people 2km+ from the nearest exchange or fiber cabinet.

Lol - fastest broadband available to me on that exchange is 3mbs!! 58 houses on that same exchange in the same boat give or take a mb or 2. So no those in rural areas are also connected to urban exchanges just outside urban areas - these areas are strategically being ignored that was the point. I wasn’t talking about urban, just areas that are rural but high density. There seems to be an assumption by other providers that these areas are already covered by Eir but they’re not so Eir can leave them on the long finger and get back to them later.

savemejebus · 25-09-2017 01:44PM

turbbo wrote: »

Lol - fastest broadband available to me on that exchange is 3mbs!! 58 houses on that same exchange in the same boat give or take a mb or 2. So no those in rural areas are also connected to urban exchanges just outside urban areas - these areas are strategically being ignored that was the point. I wasn’t talking about urban, just areas that are rural but high density. Their seems to be an assumption by other providers that these areas are already covered by Eir but they’re not so Eir can leave them on the long finger and get back to them later.

Don't virgin do cable based broadband out in castletroy though?

turbbo · 25-09-2017 02:14PM

savemejebus wrote: »

Don't virgin do cable based broadband out in castletroy though?

not for the 58 they don’t.

rob808 · 25-09-2017 02:51PM

I perorder but never got a conformation email about it how long does it take before you get it.

Eir rural FTTH thread

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