Footballer of the Year

kilns · 21-09-2017 12:40pm

Shurimgreat wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

The fact is it will be a tight race between McCarthy and Moran, the other two wont come into the equation. It really is a 50/50 call. But if you were a Tipperary player sitting down to pick one, its only human nature, if you are 50/50 to say hey McCarthy has won the All Ireland, Moran deserves something considering he is coming to end of a long career too
Its not a dig at Moran its just a natural reaction and if you dispute that any emotion comes into that you are really naiive

The whiff of begrudgery from you towards anyone not from Dublin is overpowering at this stage.
If Moran wins be a man about it and accept it. No ifs, buts or maybes.

What is it about Dubliners wanting everything and not willing to give anything to the rest of the country?

If you have read previous and later posts who will notice I am fan of Moran and the Mayo team in general for their heart and fight. Its more a select few Mayo supporters (no names mentioned) who refuse to accept that anything Dublin related may be superior to Mayo. I get it that there has to be some sort of bitterness over the last few years but I think most fans have balanced opinions and arguments which seem to be lacking in this thread

ProudDUB · 21-09-2017 12:40pm

Shurimgreat wrote: »

The whiff of begrudgery from you towards anyone not from Dublin is overpowering at this stage.
If Moran wins be a man about it and accept it. No ifs, buts or maybes.

What is it about Dubliners wanting everything and not willing to give anything to the rest of the country?

Winners mentality.

Do whatever it takes.

What we have we hold.

Nice guys finish last.

Take your pick really.

Shurimgreat · 21-09-2017 12:41pm

Irish Raven wrote: »

Reading the comments on this forum....i cant wait till we stick it to Mayo again next year...all these defeats have made their supporters bitter and delusional, one lad is actually contradicting himself the more he posts! I know Mayo are losers, but now their bitter losers!!

Not bitter and delusional enough to believe split voting only affects Dublin but not Mayo nominees.

If nothing else, Dublin supporters make me laugh.

Martina1991 · 21-09-2017 12:41pm

Irish Raven wrote: »

Reading the comments on this forum....i cant wait till we stick it to Mayo again next year...all these defeats have made their supporters bitter and delusional, one lad is actually contradicting himself the more he posts! I know Mayo are losers, but now their bitter losers!!

Mayoaremagic is one fan on one forum. He does not represent the 130,000+ people of Mayo who treat the game and players with respect.

Your comments are rude and disrespectful. The Mayo players owe their county nothing, and we are extremely proud of them.

kilns · 21-09-2017 12:41pm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

That sentence doesnt really make sense but whatever.
I have no issue if Andy Moran wins it, I am a fan of his, I think he is an excellent and very intelligent player, but that does not alter the fact he has not been head and shoulders above everyone else this year. In fact the last player that was, was probably James ODonogue

He doesn't need to be head and shoulders ahead, he just needs to be ahead, and he is.

In your opinion and others opinion not and people forward arguments which you refuse to even acknowledge

Shurimgreat · 21-09-2017 12:42pm

Irish Raven wrote: »

The same way people are disregarding this Dublin teams all ireland success and the 3 in a row?

Two posts, neither about Footballer of the year.

Say hello to ignore!

Shurimgreat · 21-09-2017 12:44pm

Martina1991 wrote: »

Mayoaremagic is one fan on one forum. He does not represent the 130,000+ people of Mayo who treat the game and players with respect.

Your comments are rude and disrespectful. The Mayo players owe their county nothing, and we are extremely proud of them.

He has no interest in discussing footballer of the year and is only interested in winding up Mayo supporters. Probably best to do like me and put him on ignore.

FrancieBrady · 21-09-2017 12:44pm

Martina1991 wrote: »

I just hope that IF Andy wins, we don't see a load of Dublin fans disregarding the achievement as a consolation prize.

Of course there will be Dub fans queuing up to disregard it. The ones that come out with 'one kick ruling a player' out.

They will not be happy until Dublin are crowned greatest team in the galaxy or some such.

kilns · 21-09-2017 12:46pm

Of course there is bias on both sides Shurimgreat. The fact you slagged off Stephen kick it 5 yards Cluxton just shows that you suffer from the same complex

Martina1991 · 21-09-2017 12:48pm

Irish Raven wrote: »

The same way people are disregarding this Dublin teams all ireland success and the 3 in a row?

No one can disregard it. It is a fantastic achievement.

The articles/ comments/ forums after the game are still dominated by Mayo and Duiblin fans trying to out do each other.

Keegan's GPS V Eoin O'Gara's hand in Boyle's face

Clarke V Cluxton

Moran V McCarthy

We are very similar. There is nothing between us. But if Mayo had won, I certainly wouldn't be fighting pointless arguments online. I would ignore it all and enjoy the victory.

kilns · 21-09-2017 12:50pm

My question is for those who say Andy Moran was so great, apart from the first game against Kerry when was he this amazing unstoppable player?
In all the championship games he was MOM once and that was the first Kerry game

MayoAreMagic · 21-09-2017 12:53pm

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I think you are fighting a losing battle.
Begrudgery towards everyone not from Dublin seems ingrained in some people at this stage.
They are unwilling to concede that any player is better than a Dublin player.

Like I said earlier, the idea that Stephen "kick it 5 yards to the corner back" Cluxton should win it over Andy Moran is laughable.
As for split voting, Mayo also have two players in the running, something conveniently overlooked.

Let's see what other excuses and conspiracy theories they come up with!

To be honest man, the battle is long won. Split voting for the POTY has been 100% debunked for any objective poster, moran is the front-runner and deservingly so for any objective poster.
Just because 2-3 biased lads cant bring themselves to admit they are wrong and instead try to bring everything into a p*ssing match, respond with straw man arguments or bring up the poster's county etc etc makes little difference in the bigger picture. Im fully aware those lads wont admit they are wrong, but it isn't them Im posting for. It is to highlight how unfair they are and how little they actually follow gaa. Dublin have far too many Dublin gaa fans, rather than gaa fans, this thread shows it. They have good fans too, but it is just a shame that they stay silent when these lads to put out a bad image of their county.

kilns · 21-09-2017 12:57pm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I think you are fighting a losing battle.
Begrudgery towards everyone not from Dublin seems ingrained in some people at this stage.
They are unwilling to concede that any player is better than a Dublin player.

Like I said earlier, the idea that Stephen "kick it 5 yards to the corner back" Cluxton should win it over Andy Moran is laughable.
As for split voting, Mayo also have two players in the running, something conveniently overlooked.

Let's see what other excuses and conspiracy theories they come up with!

To be honest man, the battle is long won. Split voting for the POTY has been 100% debunked for any objective poster, moran is the front-runner and deservingly so for any objective poster.
Just because 2-3 biased lads cant bring themselves to admit they are wrong and instead try to bring everything into a p*ssing match, respond with straw man arguments or bring up the poster's county etc etc makes little difference in the bigger picture. Im fully aware those lads wont admit they are wrong, but it isn't them Im posting for. It is to highlight how unfair they are and how little they actually follow gaa. Dublin have far too many Dublin gaa fans, rather than gaa fans, this thread shows it. They have good fans too, but it is just a shame that they stay silent when these lads to put out a bad image of their county.

Its the likes of you who give Mayo fans a bad name. No doubt you were blaming "Dublin Joe" after the game too?
And from some of your posts it seems your knowledge of football is quite limited and is blinded by a red and green tint and its not a coincidence that threads usually get locked when you get involved in debates.

seligehgit · 21-09-2017 1:05pm

Shurimgreat wrote: »

FFS!
There are two nominated from Mayo and two nominated from Dublin.
So why should split voting impact Dublin but not Mayo?
This is getting ridiculous.

At the end of the day, people will vote for who they think is the best footballer.

That is the crux of the matter.

Martina1991 · 21-09-2017 1:06pm

kilns wrote: »

My question is for those who say Andy Moran was so great, apart from the first game against Kerry when was he this amazing unstoppable player?
In all the championship games he was MOM once and that was the first Kerry game

3-24 all from play this year. What do you want from a corner forward? Scores.
I could argue what stand out moments did James McCarthy have this year?

Apart from the final, what games did he shine above others?

kilns · 21-09-2017 1:09pm

Martina1991 wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

My question is for those who say Andy Moran was so great, apart from the first game against Kerry when was he this amazing unstoppable player?
In all the championship games he was MOM once and that was the first Kerry game

3-24 all from play this year. What do you want from a corner forward? Scores.
I could argue what stand out moments did James McCarthy have this year?

Apart from the final, what games did he shine above others?

3-24 is a great haul. He outscored Con OCallaghan by 1-4 with 4 games more played.
Thats the point I am making, Andy Moran had his huge game against Kerry and McCarthy had his in the final. Thats why its a 50/50 call, There should be no complaints from anyone if either won the award

MayoAreMagic · 21-09-2017 1:18pm

kilns wrote: »

Its the likes of you who give Mayo fans a bad name. No doubt you were blaming "Dublin Joe" after the game too?
And from some of your posts it seems your knowledge of football is quite limited and is blinded by a red and green tint and its not a coincidence that threads usually get locked when you get involved in debates.

Why are you putting words in my mouth? Never mentioned Dublin Joe or any other Joe.
Address the points put to you for once and maybe less of the grandstanding.

kilns · 21-09-2017 1:19pm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

Its the likes of you who give Mayo fans a bad name. No doubt you were blaming "Dublin Joe" after the game too?
And from some of your posts it seems your knowledge of football is quite limited and is blinded by a red and green tint and its not a coincidence that threads usually get locked when you get involved in debates.

Why are you putting words in my mouth? Never mentioned Dublin Joe or any other Joe.
Address the points put to you for once and maybe less of the grandstanding.

What points are they?

BTW good to know you dont have an issue with the referee from the final, who did a decent job all things considered
When you say Andy Moran was top class all year and deserves POTY, why did he only get MOM on one game? James McCarthy was consistently good this year and got MOM once too. So that makes them neck and neck in my book.

Bonniedog · 21-09-2017 1:38pm

squrm wrote: »

Ehh...... you think?!

Cluxton has been sitting at home staring at the wall, wondering what might have been... oh, and contemplating his 5 All Irelands, ten Leinsters and four national leagues... 'tis a hard life for young Stephen. Must do better.

Crash Bang Wall · 21-09-2017 1:54pm

kilns wrote: »

What points are they?

BTW good to know you dont have an issue with the referee from the final, who did a decent job all things considered
When you say Andy Moran was top class all year and deserves POTY, why did he only get MOM on one game? James McCarthy was consistently good this year and got MOM once too. So that makes them neck and neck in my book.

He done a decent job? He should have sent off O Gara in the first half also.

Did you watch any football this year apart from the Dubs? Moran was a factor in every game he player. McCarthy stood out in the AI Final and had a decent year beforehand.

McCarthy wasnt even a factor in POTY before last Sunday, and had Rock missed that free, it would probably have went to Barrett who was immense for 70 minutes, not 35

MayoAreMagic · 21-09-2017 1:56pm

kilns wrote: »

What points are they?

BTW good to know you dont have an issue with the referee from the final, who did a decent job all things considered
When you say Andy Moran was top class all year and deserves POTY, why did he only get MOM on one game? James McCarthy was consistently good this year and got MOM once too. So that makes them neck and neck in my book.

Moran played better than mccarthy this year. No need to be getting upset over it man. Its not healthy going over it and over it, trying to find some way to spin the thing that defies reality a little bit more. Go out and enjoy the all ireland win for yourself.

kilns · 21-09-2017 2:01pm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

What points are they?

BTW good to know you dont have an issue with the referee from the final, who did a decent job all things considered
When you say Andy Moran was top class all year and deserves POTY, why did he only get MOM on one game? James McCarthy was consistently good this year and got MOM once too. So that makes them neck and neck in my book.

Moran played better than mccarthy this year. No need to be getting upset over it man. Its not healthy going over it and over it, trying to find some way to spin the thing that defies reality a little bit more. Go out and enjoy the all ireland win for yourself.

:D:D:D:D:D
I can easily say that Moran had a good year and deserves to be in the shake up for POTY but I find it hilarious that you get sick in your mouth by even the thought that any Dublin player too could have had a good year

Martina1991 · 21-09-2017 2:07pm

kilns wrote: »

Thats the point I am making, Andy Moran had his huge game against Kerry and McCarthy had his in the final. Thats why its a 50/50 call, There should be no complaints from anyone if either won the award

Andy was mentioned as being nominated as POTY for weeks. McCarthy is only now being talked about since being MOTM in the final. He wasn't even picked by anyone on this thread as a contender before the final.

Shurimgreat · 21-09-2017 2:12pm

Maybe its Cormac Costello who deserves player of the year.

I mean his antics in the final few minutes all but guaranteed Dublin victory.

When the pressure was on, Costello stepped up and kicked away Clarke's tees. Now if that isn't a "clutch" player I don't know what is?

morrga · 21-09-2017 2:18pm

Cluxton deserves the POTY award for this years performance's and the way he has re engineered the game over the past two decades.

Billy Mays · 21-09-2017 2:27pm

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Maybe its Cormac Costello who deserves player of the year.

I mean his antics in the final few minutes all but guaranteed Dublin victory.

When the pressure was on, Costello stepped up and kicked away Clarke's tees. Now if that isn't a "clutch" player I don't know what is?

Still with the Costello thing, eh?

Have you even watched the video of the incident? Costello in no way affected how quickly Clarke kicked the ball out. Clarke has retrieved the tee that Costello has thrown away before Rock has even taken the free.

The blinkered views of some people on here

MayoAreMagic · 21-09-2017 2:27pm

kilns wrote: »

:D:D:D:D:D
I can easily say that Moran had a good year and deserves to be in the shake up for POTY but I find it hilarious that you get sick in your mouth by even the thought that any Dublin player too could have had a good year

That isnt true though. Ive already acknowledged dublin players having good and even great years. Moran just had a better year this year.

MayoAreMagic · 21-09-2017 2:28pm

morrga wrote: »

Cluxton deserves the POTY award for this years performance's and the way he has re engineered the game over the past two decades.

That isnt what the award is for though...

Martina1991 · 21-09-2017 2:29pm

morrga wrote: »

Cluxton deserves the POTY award for this years performance's and the way he has re engineered the game over the past two decades.

It's not a lifetime achievement award.

Cluxton has 3 all stars in the past 10 years. I wouldn't call that dominating

Shurimgreat · 21-09-2017 2:33pm

Look, this discussion is going around in circles.
My view is:
POTY should be chosen not on the basis of one game, a half of a game or the final "crucial" few minutes of a game.
He should be chosen based on performances throughout the year, and particularly how much they influenced the final result of games, how many games they played well in and were essentially the difference between the sides.
Lee Keegan deserved the award last year as he was the key player in a number of tight games. He could score winning points but also mark the other teams talisman out of it. He was consistent.
So consistency over the course of the year counts.

The question needs to be asked "Who made the biggest impact on the championship?"
My view is it was Moran.

Shurimgreat · 21-09-2017 2:35pm

Billy Mays wrote: »

Still with the Costello thing, eh?

Have you even watched the video of the incident? Costello in no way affected how quickly Clarke kicked the ball out. Clarke has retrieved the tee that Costello has thrown away before Rock has even taken the free.

The blinkered views of some people on here

And Keegan in no way influenced Rock's kick. He tried but he failed, just as Costello tried and probably failed to put Clarke off. He shouldn't be messing with his tees though. Its a new low for gaelic football. If it continues to happen, I can see it leading to huge fights in games.

Crash Bang Wall · 21-09-2017 2:36pm

morrga wrote: »

Cluxton deserves the POTY award for this years performance's and the way he has re engineered the game over the past two decades.

Would he then not be the winner of the "Player of the Last Two Decades" Award?

Believe it or not, Player of the Year is restricted to performances in 2017.....unfortunately

ThunbergsAreGo · 21-09-2017 2:39pm

Martina1991 wrote: »

Andy was mentioned as being nominated as POTY for weeks. McCarthy is only now being talked about since being MOTM in the final. He wasn't even picked by anyone on this thread as a contender before the final.

Mainly due to his influence in a semi final where he won MotM

McCarthy won his in the final, hence why he wasnt mentioned beforehand....:rolleyes:

Irish Raven · 21-09-2017 2:43pm

I think Moran had an outstanding year....just one thing is bugging me with all the praise he s getting...having been at the game on sunday...watchin him clearly indicating on several occassions that he wanted to be replaced, with the game on the line, and an all ireland medal at stage....its bizarre...gone is the day where lads would have to be pulled off the pitch...instead we have the best forward on a team wanting to come off at the most crucial time....

Billy Mays · 21-09-2017 2:45pm

Shurimgreat wrote: »

And Keegan in no way influenced Rock's kick. He tried but he failed, just as Costello tried and probably failed to put Clarke off. He shouldn't be messing with his tees though. Its a new low for gaelic football. If it continues to happen, I can see it leading to huge fights in games.

I'll say it again, he's perfectly entitled to throw the first tee off the 14 yard line as the ball is still in play when Clarke has put it there. Again watch the end of the video and you'll see there's players from both sides in that immediate area as Rock is about to take the kick. It's potentially causing an obstruction while the ball is still in play. I've no idea why people can't see this.

I completely agree he shouldn't be going near Clarke's tees behind the goal. Calling it a new low for gaelic football is a bit much though. You sound like Charlie Redmond.

Shurimgreat · 21-09-2017 2:46pm

Irish Raven wrote: »

I think Moran had an outstanding year....just one thing is bugging me with all the praise he s getting...having been at the game on sunday...watchin him clearly indicating on several occassions that he wanted to be replaced, with the game on the line, and an all ireland medal at stage....its bizarre...gone is the day where lads would have to be pulled off the pitch...instead we have the best forward on a team wanting to come off at the most crucial time....

He's 33 years old and had played 10 games in 3-4 months. The probability is he was shattered.
McCarthy did very little in the first half while the Mayo midfield ruled. No wonder he had plenty of energy in the last few minutes.

Irish Raven · 21-09-2017 2:49pm

Shurimgreat wrote:

He's 33 years old and had played 10 games in 3-4 months. The probability is he was shattered. McCarthy did very little in the first half while the Mayo midfield ruled. No wonder he had plenty of energy in the last few minutes.

He was shattered and wanted to come off..and that my friend is why that Mayo team dont have any all irelands in their back pockets!!

Shurimgreat · 21-09-2017 2:56pm

Irish Raven wrote: »

He was shattered and wanted to come off..and that my friend is why that Mayo team dont have any all irelands in their back pockets!!

Frankly bizarre post.
Every team takes off players all the time. Unless you expect all 15 who started to finish the game?
Dublin took off most of their starting forwards by the way.
You think him hobbling around would help Mayo's cause?

ProudDUB · 21-09-2017 3:02pm

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Look, this discussion is going around in circles.
My view is:
POTY should be chosen not on the basis of one game, a half of a game or the final "crucial" few minutes of a game.
He should be chosen based on performances throughout the year, and particularly how much they influenced the final result of games, how many games they played well in and were essentially the difference between the sides.
Lee Keegan deserved the award last year as he was the key player in a number of tight games. He could score winning points but also mark the other teams talisman out of it. He was consistent.
So consistency over the course of the year counts.

The question needs to be asked "Who made the biggest impact on the championship?"
My view is it was Moran.

But does every single voter think like that, or vote like that? That is what seems to be the more contentious debate, over and above who actually deserves the bloody award. Your view is the entirely logicial one. When are people always logical 100% of the time?

Take the Dublin v Mayo thing out of the equation for a sec. That aspect of it is blurring peoples opinions. Look at last years Hurler of the Year award instead. Using your statement above, can you really say that Austin Gleeson had a bigger impact on the 2016 championship, than Seamie Callanan who scored 13 pts in the All Ireland final?

Is Austin Gleeson the most naturally gifted player in the game? Probably. Did he have the most impact on the championship? Yes, no, maybe, possibly...or it depends on how you look at it. That is all people are saying - it depends on how you look at it, if you are a voter.

Last year, the voters clearly went with the player who has the most natural ability, with perhaps a slight dollop of sympathy for him, as his skill set was perceived to be straightjacketed by playing on a team with very defensive set up. Maybe there was also a dollop of admiration at the way he put Waterford on his shoulders a la Joe Canning with Galway. Perhaps voters didn't give Callinan the nod, as had more of a supporting cast around him. Who the heck knows...

But can you really say, hand on heart, that got it as he had the most impact on the championship? He may have had the most impact on Waterfords championship season, but on the championship as a whole, when they didn't even make it to the final? See how the logic of your statement above works now....

efwren · 21-09-2017 3:02pm

Just reading through the last few pages of this and it seems the argument is Moran vs anybody from Dublin!

As a Dub if I had to pick somebody from the Dublin team as player of the year I am not really sure who I'd pick. Given Dublin really only played in 1 serious contest all year it makes it difficult. From a hazy recollection I feel Rock's free taking went up a notch this year as did his contribution from play. I think Mannion had a good year, as did Andrews until the final (although I am not sure there was much decent ball going his way in the first half), I also thought Fitzsimons and Cluxton did too.

However its really hard to pick an overall stand out figure..maybe McCarthy but its tough. Maybe its because the vast majority of the team have been operating at such a high level all year.

As for Andy Moran I think he has been the key figure for Mayo this year.

One thing I would add is that in the final I thought he was brilliant for the first half, however Fitzsimons began to get to grips with him in the second half. They were quite close to where I was located in the ground. It was a brilliant battle and quite a few times Moran was forced to pass as he was getting no room whatsoever from Fitzsimons. Perhaps it was fatigue but the more the second half went on the less worried I was about his influence.

I guess it depends what way you want to want to award these prizes. I certainly would not complain if Moran got it, also I wouldn't complain if Cluxton or McCarthy got it. In Cluxton's case I feel there have been years where he should have certainly got it and he didn't.

Given the way the championship has gone in recent years, where teams really only play at the top level in the last few weeks perhaps its time to re-evaluate all these awards. Should they be based only on semi-finals and finals or on the forthcoming super-8?

Martina1991 · 21-09-2017 3:03pm

naughtb4 wrote: »

Mainly due to his influence in a semi final where he won MotM

McCarthy won his in the final, hence why he wasnt mentioned beforehand.

Mainly due to his consistent ability to put scores on the board and set up others which peaked in the semi.

How many contenders for POTY are only mentioned after the last game.

MayoAreMagic · 21-09-2017 3:15pm

efwren wrote: »

Just reading through the last few pages of this and it seems the argument is Moran vs anybody from Dublin!

As a Dub if I had to pick somebody from the Dublin team as player of the year I am not really sure who I'd pick. Given Dublin really only played in 1 serious contest all year it makes it difficult. From a hazy recollection I feel Rock's free taking went up a notch this year as did his contribution from play. I think Mannion had a good year, as did Andrews until the final (although I am not sure there was much decent ball going his way in the first half), I also thought Fitzsimons and Cluxton did too.

Well it depends on how you look at that. I agree with you, nobody really stood out massively for Dublin. It just wasn't how their games went this year. However, there was nothing between themselves and mayo in the final, I've never seen a more evenly matched game, they were just the same, and if it went on another while mayo probably equalise again at some point. Yet moran did stand out for mayo, often, including the final. So if they are evenly matched and one guy stands out on one team but not on the other, it would suggest that that guy is playing at a higher level than those on the other team.

JB81 · 21-09-2017 4:16pm

Personally I think Andy Moran should get it.
He has dragged Mayo through a lot this year.

Most of the Dublin players ( although very good footballers ) haven't really had to play much football this year, to be fair.

McCarthy had a good final, but Dublin would still win it without him. Mayo probably would not have got to the final without Moran.

Cluxton deserved it other years, but not so much this year. Again because he really didn't have to do much all year.

In my opinion this is why the All Stars are a bit of a gimmick. The Dublin defense will probably get four all-stars ( McMahon, Cooper, Cluxton, Mc'Caffrey/O'Sullivan ). But the only real bit of 'defending' they had to do all year was for 70-80 minutes on Sunday. And to be fair to Mayo they had them on the racks for a lot of it. They are all amazing footballers but I would'nt class them up there with top class 'defenders' when one on one with someone. Mayo got 10 points from play from their forward line. Plus Moran set up the goal, and O'Connor got three frees.

Hard to see where anyone outside of Mayo and Dublin will get into the All-Star team bar Paul Geaney ( Also can't for the life of me see how James O'Donoghue got a nomination, anyway ). Colm Cavanagh will probably be unlucky to miss out as Parsons and McCarthy had great final and will probably get in, unless the put McCarthy at half forward.

ThunbergsAreGo · 21-09-2017 4:19pm

JB81 wrote: »

Personally I think Andy Moran should get it.
He has dragged Mayo through a lot this year.

Most of the Dublin players ( although very good footballers ) haven't really had to play much football this year, to be fair.

McCarthy had a good final, but Dublin would still win it without him. Mayo probably would not have got to the final without Moran.

Cluxton deserved it other years, but not so much this year. Again because he really didn't have to do much all year.

In my opinion this is why the All Stars are a bit of a gimmick. The Dublin defense will probably get four all-stars ( McMahon, Cooper, Cluxton, Mc'Caffrey/O'Sullivan ). But the only real bit of 'defending' they had to do all year was for 70-80 minutes on Sunday. And to be fair to Mayo they had them on the racks for a lot of it. They are all amazing footballers but I would'nt class them up there with top class 'defenders' when one on one with someone. Mayo got 10 points from play from their forward line. Plus Moran set up the goal, and O'Connor got three frees.

Hard to see where anyone outside of Mayo and Dublin will get into the All-Star team bar Paul Geaney ( Also can't for the life of me see how James O'Donoghue got a nomination, anyway ). Colm Cavanagh will probably be unlucky to miss out as Parsons and McCarthy had great final and will probably get in, unless the put McCarthy at half forward.

Dublin had many hard battles in the league

They should probably rename it Player of the Championship

ProudDUB · 21-09-2017 4:32pm

JB81 wrote: »

Personally I think Andy Moran should get it.
He has dragged Mayo through a lot this year.

Most of the Dublin players ( although very good footballers ) haven't really had to play much football this year, to be fair.

McCarthy had a good final, but Dublin would still win it without him. Mayo probably would not have got to the final without Moran.

Cluxton deserved it other years, but not so much this year. Again because he really didn't have to do much all year.

In my opinion this is why the All Stars are a bit of a gimmick. The Dublin defense will probably get four all-stars ( McMahon, Cooper, Cluxton, Mc'Caffrey/O'Sullivan ). But the only real bit of 'defending' they had to do all year was for 70-80 minutes on Sunday. And to be fair to Mayo they had them on the racks for a lot of it. They are all amazing footballers but I would'nt class them up there with top class 'defenders' when one on one with someone. Mayo got 10 points from play from their forward line. Plus Moran set up the goal, and O'Connor got three frees.

Hard to see where anyone outside of Mayo and Dublin will get into the All-Star team bar Paul Geaney ( Also can't for the life of me see how James O'Donoghue got a nomination, anyway ). Colm Cavanagh will probably be unlucky to miss out as Parsons and McCarthy had great final and will probably get in, unless the put McCarthy at half forward.

There is a healthy amount of reverse logic going on there. Yes, Dublin played a lot less football than Mayo. Should they be punished for it come All Star & FOTY time? Is it their fault that they won their provincial championship very comfortably? Is it their fault that they never played so poorly, they were never taken to extra time by Div 2 & 3 teams? Is it their fault they didn't have to go on a long, hard slog through the qualifiers? Is it their fault they didn't have to play in replays at both the quarter final and semi final stages of the championship? No, it is not.

All of the above applies to Mayo players....but they should be judged differently and/or rewarded for it? That makes very little sense to me. If they were that good/influential to begin win, then why was Mayo's road to the AI final, as difficult as it was in the first place? Riddle me that if you will.....

MayoAreMagic · 21-09-2017 5:27pm

ProudDUB wrote: »

There is a healthy amount of reverse logic going on there. Yes, Dublin played a lot less football than Mayo. Should they be punished for it come All Star & FOTY time? Is it their fault that they won their provincial championship very comfortably? Is it their fault they never played so poorly, they were never taken to extra time by Div 2 & 3 teams? Is it their fault they didn't have to go on a long, hard slog through the qualifiers? Is it their fault they didn't have to play in replays at both the quarter final and semi final stages of the championship? No, it is not.

Yet all of the above applies to Mayo players....and they should be judged differently and/or rewarded for it? That makes very little sense to me. If they were that good/influential to begin win, then why was Mayo's road to the AI final as difficult as it was in the first place? Riddle me that if you will.....

But again, you can look at that another way. Dublin are running all over these teams, with many not even bothering to track for much of the game, such was the hiding dished out, and yet nobody can manage to rival the form moran showed. Surely it is easier to play well in a winning side that is hammering everyone, than a side that is scraping past everyone in extra time and replays? Surely having that level of player around you, makes you better rather than worse, and gives you more opportunity rather than less?

Furthermore, we can take your logic a step further and point out that the likes of Brendan Murphy isn't up for an all star. And should he be punished for playing for a poor team, when he in fact is one of the best mf out there? It isn't his fault the team lost and a guy got him sent off, thereby removing his chance to shine to the level he could do. That is very similar to what you are trying to say here.

The reality is you just have to do it in the games you get to play. Did mayo guys have more opportunities to do this? Yes. But that means they also had more opportunities to play poorly or get turned over, all the while in a squad that isn't as strong as the one the Dublin players find themselves in. They in fact performed, and performances in the bank are what count.

To compare to another sport, what you are saying is like saying that lionel messi playing for Barcelona is poorer equipped to play well and reach the heights than lionel messi playing for Eibar. It is actually crazy logic.

Always_Running · 21-09-2017 9:16pm

Going by the odds Andy Moran will win the footballer of the year.

blanch152 · 21-09-2017 11:40pm

ProudDUB wrote: »

There is a healthy amount of reverse logic going on there. Yes, Dublin played a lot less football than Mayo. Should they be punished for it come All Star & FOTY time? Is it their fault that they won their provincial championship very comfortably? Is it their fault that they never played so poorly, they were never taken to extra time by Div 2 & 3 teams? Is it their fault they didn't have to go on a long, hard slog through the qualifiers? Is it their fault they didn't have to play in replays at both the quarter final and semi final stages of the championship? No, it is not.

All of the above applies to Mayo players....but they should be judged differently and/or rewarded for it? That makes very little sense to me. If they were that good/influential to begin win, then why was Mayo's road to the AI final, as difficult as it was in the first place? Riddle me that if you will.....

I agree fully with you, and that means I can understand Moran getting player of the year, being singularly outstanding, but that means Dublin should be picking up 9 or 10 All-Stars, yet the same people who want Moran to win will also be pushing 7 or 8 Mayomen for All-Stars.

Barnavave · 21-09-2017 11:45pm

Always_Running wrote: »

Going by the odds Andy Moran will win the footballer of the year.

I suppose they have to win something.

MayoAreMagic · 22-09-2017 8:23am

Barnavave wrote: »

I suppose they have to win something.

There is something very sad about a county winning 3 in a row, and so many of their fans consumed with knocking the team that they beat, rather than going out and enjoying the thing.

There is such a thing as a good winner...

Footballer of the Year

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