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Dairygold discussion thread

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  • #62
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    Username John wrote: »
    Farmer Ed wrote: »
    Would be made in Ireland, but as Dairygold spread would also have a number of other ingredients other than butter, not all the ingredients would be Irish. If you want to support Irish I'd say use proper Irish butter whatever brand.

    Bit off topic - but does anyone know, or how would you find out who makes the own branded butter for each super market?
    E.g. Super valu, Dunnes, etc...

    A bit tricky, but if you look at the producer number at the back it should start with IE. If not its not made in Ireland. Now each processor has their own producer number so possibly you could trace it that way. For example Arrabawn supply a lot of the Aldi and Tesco milk, so knowing that you could identify their producer number ect as it should be the same as their own brand or some of the strff they make for Ornua.


  • #63
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    Username John wrote: »
    Farmer Ed wrote: »
    Would be made in Ireland, but as Dairygold spread would also have a number of other ingredients other than butter, not all the ingredients would be Irish. If you want to support Irish I'd say use proper Irish butter whatever brand.

    Bit off topic - but does anyone know, or how would you find out who makes the own branded butter for each super market?
    E.g. Super valu, Dunnes, etc...

    Actually if you ever get bored and you really want to match the producer number on a product. If you go to the department of Agricultural website you can open a link with a list of all the approved establishments and their producer numbers. Would take a bit of detective work but is possible. https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/foodsafetyconsumerissues/dafmapprovedestablishments/


  • #64
    Farmer Ed
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    Aldi butter producer number IE 1083 made by Lac Patrick. Aldi spread producer number IE 1097 made by Kerry ingredients Tralee. The cheeses also made by a number of different Irish suppliers.


  • #65
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,366 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    35 years ago, Carbery was relaint on cheddar mainly. It had a poor added value. They then and now paid the best milk price.
    Don't be believing all the excuses fed to you by, interested parties. Heard them all, over the years.

    Seems some Boardsies are happy that the reality of what causes their milk price has moved over here. Me, I'd prefer to face reality and recognise and deal with the fact that, I'm, being duped.


  • #66
    Mooooo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,577 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Who do you supply? Presume you have switched also? Have questioned price but it's the board members I go to not jumping up and down online. No problem questioning it but the ways it's done here by certain posters is pointless


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  • #67
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Who do you supply? Presume you have switched also? Have questioned price but it's the board members I go to not jumping up and down online. No problem questioning it but the ways it's done here by certain posters is pointless

    If you are correct and having such a discussion here is pointless. Then you shouldn't really worry about what happens here or get upset about it.

    As for going to board members? Been there done that. Trust me once they sit down at that board table they generally do as they are told by management. I have spoken to at least 30 farmers who were called before the board and each and every one of them reported the same thing.I have even spoken to ex board members who reported the same thing. Management call the shots and the boys just non their heads. Sorry but that's how it is. Would love if it were different but its not unfortunately.


  • #68
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,366 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Know a few who have sat on the Boards of the West Cork Coops. They tell you that there you have to fight your corner with management.
    Sadly, those in others simply roll over for their pay cheque.


  • #69
    K.G.
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,591 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    Water John wrote: »
    Know a few who have sat on the Boards of the West Cork Coops. They tell you that there you have to fight your corner with management.
    Sadly, those in others simply roll over for their pay cheque.

    They told you that did they.....😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀


  • #70
    Water John
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    I'll just let the price, speak for itself.


  • #71
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    K.G. wrote: »
    Water John wrote: »
    Know a few who have sat on the Boards of the West Cork Coops. They tell you that there you have to fight your corner with management.
    Sadly, those in others simply roll over for their pay cheque.

    They told you that did they.....😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀

    Actually a very good friend of mine did sit on the board of Dairygold and indeed other boards. Let's put it like this. From his experience he is more disillusioned than I am. Apparently a descenting voice can make for a very lonely place in the board room.


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  • #72
    K.G.
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,591 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    Water John wrote: »
    I'll just let the price, speak for itself.

    😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉amh is that an argument for me or against me.ill have to bow to yere superior knowledge of the inner workings of west cork.😂😂😂😂😂😂


  • #73
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    Hope I don't get in trouble for posting this here and I am not picking on any one Co Op but I am just using the following links to highlight why I feel the comic was very conservative in its estimation of director pay levels. A 2016 article from the Irish Times has Glanbia pay scales well ahead and also what the other link also shows us is that being a board member can usually have a knock on effect of getting to be a director of a number of different companies. So I doubt if the comic did the research into the full extent of director pay. What many of us don't understand, and I would have included myself in that up until recently, is that Co Ops and particularly large Co Ops are made up of dozens of different companies both home and abroad. I am pretty sure the comic did not include the remuneration from these companies. Not wanting to make an example of anyone as this is common practice but one of the links refers to one well know Irish Co Op director as also being a director of something like 7 different subsidiary companies in the UK alone not to mention his Irish or non Co Op gigs. I doubt if the comic reported the full extent of that either. So for anyone who was surprised by what you read in the comic. I'm sorry but i'm afraid we have only been shown the tip of the iceberg in terms of true pay levels. https://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/glanbia-directors-each-paid-85-000-last-year-1.2646032 personId=8392139&privcapId=879281[/url] https://site2corp.co.uk/james-lynch-31


  • #74
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,901 ✭✭✭mf240


    Gone very quiet on here.

    Thought there would be great praise for the move to pay more for butterfat. Think some poster (whose name escapes me) was calling for such a move.?


  • #75
    Brown Podzol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭Brown Podzol


    mf240 wrote: »
    Gone very quiet on here.

    Thought there would be great praise for the move to pay more for butterfat. Think some poster (whose name escapes me) was calling for such a move.?

    That's been flagged with over 12 months, not a reaction to recent increase in the value of butter fat.


  • #76
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,366 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Read that on BF. It's good that the Dairygold price in some ways reflects the market.
    That should be standard for all. Also prices should be forward, not for product already supplied.
    I fear DG may be very exposed to Brexit with B2B bulk sales. Esp of cheddar, I presume Dg provide much of the Pilgrims Choice.

    BTW is Mallow mothballed for the year? Seems no steam to be seen.


  • #77
    alps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭alps


    Water John wrote: »

    BTW is Mallow mothballed for the year? Seems no steam to be seen.

    Big powerwash going on.....


    Seems like there's been fellas pis sing all over it lately....


  • #78
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    alps wrote: »
    Water John wrote: »

    BTW is Mallow mothballed for the year? Seems no steam to be seen.

    Big powerwash going on.....


    Seems like there's been fellas pis sing all over it lately....

    So have the EPA shut the place down? Or is it just that Mallow is only going to be used for a couple of months a year? Don't forget there has just been 83m spent here on the promise that it would be making high end infant formula?


  • #79
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    mf240 wrote: »
    Gone very quiet on here.

    Thought there would be great praise for the move to pay more for butterfat. Think some poster (whose name escapes me) was calling for such a move.?

    Was reported already in the milk price tread. Personally I have welcomed the move with open arms. Just surprised at the amount of people who had indicated that they thought it was a terrible idea haven't come out and voiced their opposition?


  • #80
    blackdog1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    Farmer Ed wrote:
    Was reported already in the milk price tread. Personally I have welcomed the move with open arms. Just surprised at the amount of people who had indicated that they thought it was a terrible idea haven't come out and voiced their opposition?


    Alot of boys have great protein and terrible fat this year. So I don't think they know what to make of it.


  • #81
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    Still no steam coming out of the Mallow plant in spite of the statement to agriland that its "fully operational" . Anyone know what's the full story? Is it closed down for the remainder of the season or what?


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  • #82
    alps
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    "Fully Operational" does not mean it's operating...

    In winter time, I have a fully operational milking parlour, but it's not operating. .


  • #83
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    alps wrote: »
    "Fully Operational" does not mean it's operating...

    In winter time, I have a fully operational milking parlour, but it's not operating. .

    I suppose that's what the public relations people are paid to do. Anyone reading the Agriland article would think the plant was flat out when in reality it would appear that all of the 83m worth of a new investment is sitting idle? Question is did the breach of the EPA license have anything to do with it being shut down?
    Interesting also to note that the same main contracts built both Mallow and bellview.


  • #84
    Farmer Ed
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    Invitation letters out today inviting shareholders to an open day in the new 83.5 m refurbishment in Mallow. Same days as the ploughing. Well having been closed down since early July, suppose using it as a visitor attraction is better than letting it sit idle and having it the same days as the ploughing should insure the numbers are kept to a minimum.

    Anyone hear what's the plans for the leaking silos or have they been replaced yet? Will be a strange one if they start up a drier in late September just to keep the visitors happy.


  • #85
    Farmer Ed
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    Anyone going to Mallow today? Would be worth asking why no steam has been seen coming from the drier of this new 83m plant since early July?


  • #86
    Water John
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    I thought Annie May should have moved a week to allow DG have the week for its plant visits. Very inconsiderate of her.

    Has similarities to when they used hold the AGM on the silage harvesting week in May.
    Interesting to see the IFJ do feature on the value added by the infant formula brands. As was pointed by others out a few years ago, DG had a premium in the past, for its demineralised whey, but it never made its way back to the farmer.
    Fat salaries today, and fat pensions await retirees of the co.


  • #87
    Sam Kade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    Farmer Ed wrote: »
    Anyone going to Mallow today? Would be worth asking why no steam has been seen coming from the drier of this new 83m plant since early July?
    I was there some fella asked a question about the waste and the man answering was smirking


  • #88
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,366 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    They should have gone with the sugar factory site. The town site would always have value and less headaches all around.


  • #89
    Sam Kade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    Water John wrote: »
    They should have gone with the sugar factory site. The town site would always have value and less headaches all around.

    It's some setup though, apart from the waste. The sugar factory site would have been ideal, plenty space for expansion also. I was in Dairygold store today and there's still a fair hum off the waste plant


  • #90
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    Water John wrote: »
    They should have gone with the sugar factory site. The town site would always have value and less headaches all around.

    It's some setup though, apart from the waste. The sugar factory site would have been ideal, plenty space for expansion also. I was in Dairygold store today and there's still a fair hum off the waste plant

    So was there any explanation why it hasn't been used all summer? An expensive monument to be looking at if its not serving any purpose.


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  • #91
    Sam Kade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    Farmer Ed wrote: »
    So was there any explanation why it hasn't been used all summer? An expensive monument to be looking at if its not serving any purpose.
    The plant was running and they were bagging powder, kerrygold brand for Africa, there was no milk going in though which I thought strange.


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