Dairygold discussion thread

mycro2013

Farmer Ed wrote: »

No can't blame him for that. To be fair that predated him. Dairygold still have a small office there. Not sure is it some kind of ego thing or what? Trucks form other co ops are in and out of the Danone plant all the time, but some are still under the impression Dairygold still have a stake in the place. Local milk samples can be taken in to the DG office to do a snap test. Why they can't use one of the local co op branches I have no idea? Apart from that I am not sure what purpose the office serves?

The story around about the plant in macroom is that it was originally offered for sale to dairygold by nutricia. The boys in dairygold played hardball saying they would only buy subject to planning being approved for planned upgrades. While this was ongoing Danone bought the parent company gaining ownership of macroom in the process.

biblio

Water John wrote: »

So Dairygold sold a business/plant that would need material that they could supply but did not stitch it into the sales contract?

Wonderful business acumen.

Dairygold sold Macroom to Numico in 1994.
Dairygold wanted to buy it back in 2006, instead Danone swooped in and bought Numico. Securing Macroom for themselves.

Macroom was originally built as a peaking plant to handle the large volumes of milk from the Lee valley in the late 1970s.
By the time it was finished in 1982 its construction had run 30% over budget......

If Dairygold had bought back Macroom in 2006 then Mallow would have been completely demolished. That's what I was told by the CEO of Carbery in 2007.

Water John

I think we even got a newsletter in 2006 telling us, they had it bought.
No problem with Danone and good jobs there, but the farmer should be getting a slice of the premium for the high quality, grass based product, they supply to it.

Farmer Ed

biblio wrote: »

Farmer Ed wrote: »

You can still find small squares of Dairygold real butter served in Dairygold offices. So either A they have been storing it in a bog since before the brand was sold to Kerry or B it is made by Kerry. Dairygold don't own as much as a butter churn the last I heard. They do sell cream to Ornua along with most other Co Ops.

Those Dairygold mini butters are made by either Arrabawn or Lakeland. I can't remember which .The plant code is on the back of the wrapper .

The Dairygold spread is made by Kerry. They have changed the ingredients and manufacturing method though, the texture is completely different from when it was made in the original plant.

Kerry own the Dairygold brand so who ever makes Dairygold butter can not do so unless they are making in on contract for Kerry. Only food that can be sold by Dairygold under their own name is animal feed.

Water John

The posed picture in The Irish Examiner today (page 6), is really laughable. A few beakers with a white powder, milk powder I presume, in them.
Centre of Excellence!! A small time drug dealer would have more kit.

Farmer Ed

If they trying advertising that place as a campus I am pretty sure the advertising standards authority would have something to say about it.

The part time boy

Truckermal wrote: »

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Gone out of business by all accounts.

BCD engineering gone out of business? That whole story is pure tripe in any case.

Shhh don't let facts gets in the way of the longest running rant ever

Farmer Ed

The part time boy wrote: »

Truckermal wrote: »

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Gone out of business by all accounts.

BCD engineering gone out of business? That whole story is pure tripe in any case.

Shhh don't let facts gets in the way of the longest running rant ever

So please enlighten us if you are in possession of the facts? Do you know why there was no steam coming from the this new " nutritional campus" all sumer? Or why the truck every 90 seconds at the roundabout were invisible? Or what exactly did the EPA have a problem with? Please we are all ear's?

I am guessing your concern regarding not letting the facts get in the way of a good story are a reference to a highly paid PR firm who would have us believe this place is a university of some sort or that there was no real issue with the EPA ect?

Farmer Ed

The heading should read. Dairygold boss seeks government bail out as concerns grow about the processors product mix having spent hundreds of millions over the last couple of years! http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/agri-business/renewed-focus-needed-with-dark-cloud-of-brexit-looming-36166860.html

Water John

Didn't think cheddar would qualify as a perishable product. If you leave it sealed, it has a good shelf life.
The British are used to long shelf life products. Just look at the chicken supplied there by the 2 Sisters. Once more on the merry go round.

Farmer Ed

Funny how on the same day you can be king of the world and yet concede that to whole thing may not be viable without government intervention?

Water John

Other processors are too, worried about Brexit, he's not alone. But rattling on constantly in public is of no value.

Farmer Ed

Water John wrote: »

Other processors are too, worried about Brexit, he's not alone. But rattling on constantly in public is of no value.

Other processor's haven't been looking for a government bail out afk?

Farmer Ed

Would appear that the 86m Mallow "Nutritional campus has been put on the EPAs watch list as one of the countries worst polluters and there are now also calls for the scraping of origin green as a numbers of other processors are also running in to trouble! Not much point in farmers being board bia approved if the processors cant even keep their own houses in order. Could argue that some of the older plants might just need upgrading? But in fairness after spending 86m and selling this as being something that it is clearly not. There is really no excuse for being at the top of this list! http://www.beat102103.com/news/three-environmentally-friendly-food-producers-appear-list-countrys-worst-polluters/

If I were Kerry I'd be calling for my branding to be taken off the Mallow plan ASAP as this cant be doing their Dairygold brand image any good as a lot of people dont realize that Dairygold dont make any Dairygold brands anymore.

alps

Reads like lazy journalism, as many news outlets have run with the same word for word article which looks like it has been pasted from an Irish Wildlife Trust press release...

Would love if some reporter had done a bit more of a background check into the seriousness of the different situations.

The article seems to be more concerned about the associated demise of the curlew or lapwing or something which is complete horse****....

Arrabawn and dairygold will always have nuisance issues with their plants built in town centres(not unlike many other established coops) while Carbury should not have that encumberence, and it would be interesting to see exactly the reasons for each being in this list.


Not sure where the cosmetic damage will come out of this either. Carbury and Arrabawn both supply the general public but I'm not sure that the Irish consumer really give a rattler about Origin green, and that it it is an exercise that has far more importance to the B to B customers who only use our products as raw materials.

Probably not good timing for Dairygold, as they weave their way through the planning process trying to get their waste pipe to be allowed to discharge into Cork Harbour..this will be a bit of ammo for the locals..

Farmer Ed

alps wrote: »

Reads like lazy journalism, as many news outlets have run with the same word for word article which looks like it has been pasted from an Irish Wildlife Trust press release...

Would love if some reporter had done a bit more of a background check into the seriousness of the different situations.

The article seems to be more concerned about the associated demise of the curlew or lapwing or something which is complete horse****....

Arrabawn and dairygold will always have nuisance issues with their plants built in town centres(not unlike many other established coops) while Carbury should not have that encumberence, and it would be interesting to see exactly the reasons for each being in this list.


Not sure where the cosmetic damage will come out of this either. Carbury and Arrabawn both supply the general public but I'm not sure that the Irish consumer really give a rattler about Origin green, and that it it is an exercise that has far more importance to the B to B customers who only use our products as raw materials.

Probably not good timing for Dairygold, as they weave their way through the planning process trying to get their waste pipe to be allowed to discharge into Cork Harbour..this will be a bit of ammo for the locals..

Well to be fair at least some of the plants on the list haven't had tens of millions spent on them in the last 12 months so there is a possible argument that all that is needed is an upgrade. But its pretty embarrassing that a plat that was officially opened just last week as not just as a powder plant but rather a "Nutritional campus" is on the EPA's watch list!

Speaking of lazy Journalism, pretty much every media outlet ran with the "Nutritional campus" press release last week. But I agree the standard of journalism across the board is getting poorer and poorer as publications are reducing themselves to just reprinting press releases without any research being done in to the actual stories.

That said these are serious agitations and would be subject to the laws of liable if untrue.

The only brand that is widely know to the Irish public is Dairygold so you could see why the Kerry group might want to distance themselves from this in case the public might mix up the Dairygold brands with Dairygold Co Op. A lot of people still don't understand the two are now totally unrelated.

Mooooo

By agriland article it's going on complaints received etc with all three having had work.done recently there are bound to be more complaints. Dunno were carbery going to put up a digester as well, it's on the edge of a village so would also have residents close by

Farmer Ed

Mooooo wrote: »

By agriland article it's going on complaints received etc with all three having had work.done recently there are bound to be more complaints. Dunno were carbery going to put up a digester as well, it's on the edge of a village so would also have residents close by

Looks like the other two could have been underselling themselves so. Possibly the others should also have hired a PR company, called their new investments fancy names, spent multiple times more than they have and invited someone like Dr Phil over to an official opening. And after all that investment still have problems with basic environmental regulations?

Mallow is a very valuable town center site and lets face it you dont need to be in a town center in order to process milk. To think that so much money has been pumped in here in the last year or two and now this? You just couldn't make this stuff up!

Water John

Wondering why the Origin Green ad is being shown to Irish people. It's main purpose is to promote our agricultural produce internationally.

It's as if Failte Ireland started showing their ad, designed for getting tourists to come to Ireland, on RTE.

Farmer Ed

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/dairygolds-store-network-to-be-enhanced-in-e11-5-million-investment/

Spending 11.5 m closing down 13 stores and look at the spin they are putting on it! Lazy journalism?

Sam Kade

Farmer Ed wrote: »

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/dairygolds-store-network-to-be-enhanced-in-e11-5-million-investment/

Spending 11.5 m closing down 13 stores and look at the spin they are putting on it! Lazy journalism?

You can hardly drive into the Mallow store between artic trucks delivering and pallets of goods left everywhere. I wonder what stores they're. Losing.

Farmer Ed

Sam Kade wrote: »

Farmer Ed wrote: »

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/dairygolds-store-network-to-be-enhanced-in-e11-5-million-investment/

Spending 11.5 m closing down 13 stores and look at the spin they are putting on it! Lazy journalism?

You can hardly drive into the Mallow store between artic trucks delivering and pallets of goods left everywhere. I wonder what stores they're. Losing.

No idea but apparently they are spending €11.5 m on this "enhancement" according to their press release published by agriland

Markcheese

Sam Kade wrote:

You can hardly drive into the Mallow store between artic trucks delivering and pallets of goods left everywhere. I wonder what stores they're. Losing.

Mallow always used to be an easy one to get around.. And they've no shortage of space..

Farmer Ed

Markcheese wrote: »

Sam Kade wrote:

You can hardly drive into the Mallow store between artic trucks delivering and pallets of goods left everywhere. I wonder what stores they're. Losing.

Mallow always used to be an easy one to get around.. And they've no shortage of space..

Probably won't be one of the 13 they are closing down.

Truckermal

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Probably won't be one of the 13 they are closing down.

They closed Macroom and it was subsequently demolished and it only built a few years...

Farmer Ed

Truckermal wrote: »

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Probably won't be one of the 13 they are closing down.

They closed Macroom and it was subsequently demolished and it only built a few years...

Not sure the full story with Macroom as that was part of 4 homes and probably sunk with Reox? New Lidl shop in there now. Was in there a while ago early in the morning and the marts slurry store was over flowing. Like a fool I rang around a couple of lads I know working in the mart to sort the problem before all hell would break lose with Lidl. Happy I had done a good deed a week later I read somewhere that the CEO of cork marts was objecting to a new calf exporting facility on wait for it? "Environmental grounds". Moral of the story these guys don't care about farmers and anything with the potential to produce waste should be built away from towns if possible.

Sam Kade

Markcheese wrote: »

Mallow always used to be an easy one to get around.. And they've no shortage of space..

Were you in ther lately? Plenty space but too much stuff around the entrance.

Farmer Ed

Anyone know anything about the story doing the rounds that the board signed of on the closure of the 13 shops last week and staff and general committee were only informed only last night?

Farmer Ed

Story doing the rounds that the board signed off this last week with general committee being told last night at meeting at 8pm also. Branches to close are Araglen, Blarney, Carrignavar, Castletownroche, Cashel, Granagh, Hollyford, Kilaloe, Muskerry, Park, Togher & Tournafulla know thats only 12 but going from memeory & cant place the 13th.

Anyone else hear this? Who is unlucky 13th?

alps

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Anyone know anything about the story doing the rounds that the board signed of on the closure of the 13 shops last week and staff and general committee were only informed only last night?

That would be standard enough protocol. It's out on all forums now.

It's been on the cards for some time, so won't be much of a surprise for most. However, anger may set in locally when the announcement of the stores to be axed will happen. The 11.5million investment, and how the farmers shopping experience will be enhanced by more up to date shiny shelves and floors, will be the mantra of management and board as to the advantages of such a move.

It will be a massive loss to some communities, however if it has been an inefficient method of delivering inputs to farmers, then you can't blame the powers that be, for making some improvements.

The spin however...is exquisite...