Dairygold discussion thread

Farmer Ed

https://www.c103.ie/news/investigations-underway-into-strange-smell-in-mall/

I was accused of making stuff up when I revealed here months ago that the tanks were leaking.

Injuryprone

Farmer Ed wrote: »

https://www.c103.ie/news/investigations-underway-into-strange-smell-in-mall/

I was accused of making stuff up when I revealed here months ago that the tanks were leaking.

Where in that article does it say that the "tanks are leaking"?

Farmer Ed

Sour milk smells unfortunately. I was told months ago by someone who had seen an engineers report on the tanks but got dogs abuse for mentioning it. If the milk wasn't spilling it would smell like that surely? There was a very near disaster in NZ a while back when a similar tank burst. Luckily no one was injured. It no laughing matter when something like that happens.

Farmer Ed

There can be very serious problems if these tanks are not right. Obviously they need to be designed properly. http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/85837724/edendale-milk-silo-collapse-cost-set-to-hit-45-million--mercer

Water John

Is the sub who supplied the tanks, still in business? Heard that they are not.

Farmer Ed

Bad stink in Mallow alright
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/big-stink-over-dairy-plant-smell-in-mallow-453514.html

alps

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Bad stink in Mallow alright
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/big-stink-over-dairy-plant-smell-in-mallow-453514.html

Here's the answer

Farmer Ed

alps wrote: »

Here's the answer

Lol. But on a more serious note if one of those silos was to burst, there could be a few more taking baths, but Cleopatra style.

White Clover

I stopped in Mallow on Tuesday, The smell there was putrid. I don't know how the locals can put up with it.

Farmer Ed

White Clover wrote: »

I stopped in Mallow on Tuesday, The smell there was putrid. I don't know how the locals can put up with it.

Well at least if you notice the PR company must be doing well out of it. In the last couple of weeks the media have been fed press releases about everything from brexit to butter bubbles. Anything to fill space on a page. Just don't mention the smell. Wouldn't like to hazard a guess as to what Keating's bill will be after all this? But I suppose its an ill wind, to pardon the pun.

83m spent on a plant that should have been built for 20m and still managed to mess it up. To make it worse, built on prime town center site that could be sold for development. Plus the disadvantages of not being away from a built up area if things do go wrong are now pretty obvious for all to see. If one of those tanks burst properly I'd hate to think of the out come.

The part time boy

Farmer Ed wrote: »

83m spent on a plant that should have been built for 20m and still managed to mess it up. To make it worse, built on prime town center site that could be sold for development. .

Jesus Rein in your love for dairygold there .

How do you know it should cost 20m did you see the spec ,are you a qualified qs ?

As for the site the plans were put in place in the height of the crash times no one would be interested in building there . Dairygold own the field across from the plant as well so there plenty of opportunities if they want to sell for building .

alps

Time to move on Ed.....theres no more to see here...

.you can sleep well knowing that if there is a leak in that storage tank, your milk won't be going heading for the river...

It really is time to let go....

Farmer Ed

The part time boy wrote: »

Jesus Rein in your love for dairygold there .

How do you know it should cost 20m did you the spec are you a qualified qs ?

As for the site the plans were put in place in the height of the boom times no one would be interested in building there . Dairygold own the field across from the plant as well so there plenty of opportunities if they want to sell for building .

https://www.flickr.com/photos/merrionstreet-ie/5071036401 same size job 20m. There was also planning on that site for 300 House's and a new town centre. So you would have to say not the best place on the planet to go building something that is now obviously causing so much of a headache. And Alps would love to let it go as soon as they pay me the 24k I'm owed. But possibly will never see a brass penny because of the way that place is obviously going from bad to worse. Sorry but I still have money invested in that place. I'd be only delighted to let it go. But unfortunately others wont.

The part time boy

Again i talk about the spec. How do you know the difference between the 2 plants . I presume you seen detailed plans for both

mahoney_j

Farmer Ed wrote: »

https://www.flickr.com/photos/merrionstreet-ie/5071036401 same size job 20m. There was also planning on that site for 300 House's and a new town centre. So you would have to say not the best place on the planet to go building something that is now obviously causing so much of a headache. And Alps would love to let it go as soon as they pay me the 24k I'm owed. But possibly will never see a brass penny because of the way that place is obviously going from bad to worse. Sorry but I still have money invested in that place. I'd be only delighted to let it go. But unfortunately others wont.

Ed u sound like you've a big axe to grind .....I know a good few of the boys up here that switched to dairygold ,all have nothing only good reports and what a relief itvwas to leave arrabawn ,some of these would of had axes to grind with arrabawn too deep down I'd love to know there real thoughts .i nearly made the trip ,thankfully I took a step back and very happy I did

Farmer Ed

The part time boy wrote: »

Again i talk about the spec. How do you know the difference between the 2 plants . I presume you seen detailed plans for both

7 ton per hour dryer on a brown field site with a 20 ton per hour fully automatic packing line. 60 m less than the Mallow plant. And as no one is complaining about the smell from the lakelands plant. I think it is not unfair to assume that the speck must have been better. There is a lot of counting in 60m.

Farmer Ed

mahoney_j wrote: »

Ed u sound like you've a big axe to grind .....I know a good few of the boys up here that switched to dairygold ,all have nothing only good reports and what a relief itvwas to leave arrabawn ,some of these would of had axes to grind with arrabawn too deep down I'd love to know there real thoughts .i nearly made the trip ,thankfully I took a step back and very happy I did

That sounds fair enough. But am I correct in saying that Arrabawn are in the process of building a new warehouse ,if they already haven't it completed, using the proceeds of a valuable town center property to acquire land outside the town and quietly grow the business without any need for borrowing? I would imagine you are very happy with your decision to stay where you were.

mahoney_j

Farmer Ed wrote: »

That sounds fair enough. But am I correct in saying that Arrabawn are in the process of building a new warehouse ,if they already haven't it completed, using the proceeds of a valuable town center property to acquire land outside the town and quietly grow the business without any need for borrowing? I would imagine you are very happy with your decision to stay where you were.

I'm happy i staid and hope your happy u joined ,still lots of faults ,on the borrowing I'll disagree ,very cheap money out there to be got ,why bleed cash reserves ,we don't have a big reserve of it in first place there is also now a big relaiseation that another big chunk will have to be spent on more processing capacity in nenagh ,that plant is nearer town centre than dairygold

Farmer Ed

mahoney_j wrote: »

I'm happy i staid and hope your happy u joined ,still lots of faults ,on the borrowing I'll disagree ,very cheap money out there to be got ,why bleed cash reserves ,we don't have a big reserve of it in first place there is also now a big relaiseation that another big chunk will have to be spent on more processing capacity in nenagh ,that plant is nearer town centre than dairygold

Is there an unbearable smell coming from the Nenagh plant? Borrowing money may be cheap at the moment. But borrowing money to invest foolishly is never cheap. Sounded to me like a great idea when the opportunity arose, to replace a town centre property with a larger land bank outside town and money left over to do some development on the site. Yes I am very happy with my move as are all the other people I know.

mahoney_j

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Is there an unbearable smell coming from the Nenagh plant? Borrowing money may be cheap at the moment. But borrowing money to invest foolishly is never cheap. Sounded to me like a great idea when the opportunity arose, to replace a town centre property with a larger land bank outside town and money left over to do some development on the site. Yes I am very happy with my move as are all the other people I know.

At times yes and also at times people in town would of found gritty substances on there car and house windows ,powder particles ,effluent plant under pressure but been addressed ,epa have been in .not ideal having big plant like it practically in town centre but hardly going to move now ,dairygold simillar when did we replace a town centre site with one further out ?your happy with your move but as alps said time to let your dairygold issues go ,you made your bed now sleep in it no point been bitter 2 years on

Farmer Ed

mahoney_j wrote: »

At times yes and also at times people in town would of found gritty substances on there car and house windows ,powder particles ,effluent plant under pressure but been addressed ,epa have been in .not ideal having big plant like it practically in town centre but hardly going to move now ,dairygold simillar when did we replace a town centre site with one further out ?your happy with your move but as alps said time to let your dairygold issues go ,you made your bed now sleep in it no point been bitter 2 years on

It was mentioned at the last area meeting that a out of town site had been purchased with a good sized land bank that was being used to build a warehouse for now. This was being funded by the sale of a town property that was not needed.

I agree putting plants like that in a town centre is far from ideal. But when the site in question has planning for a new town centre, it even makes it more questionable.

To recap. 83m of borrowed money that ultimately will be repaid by farmers, has been spent on a project that the epa has now found to be in breach of regulations. That is a recorded fact. Unfortunately as I still have money tied up in that place. Is it unreasonable to discuss that? It is still my business as long as I have money invested in it. Only one way to change that I suppose but unfortunately that is not my call.

I spoke to someone six months ago who informed me he has seen an engineers report that says the new silos were suffering from stress cracks as a result of being made from a sub standard grade of stainless. The report went on to recommend they be replaced as fixing them was not an option. If that engineers report is correct in its assessment then this is potentially a much more serious matter than we are lead to believe If one of those tanks burst. Its no laughing matter. Its potentially a very serious health and safety issue.

Mooooo

You're the only one discussing it ed and tbh honest it's becoming so tiresome I don't bother looking at the thread most of the time your the last post on it. It drags the thread off topic with pages of ****e

mahoney_j

Farmer Ed wrote: »

It was mentioned at the last area meeting that a out of town site had been purchased with a good sized land bank that was being used to build a warehouse for now. This was being funded by the sale of a town property that was not needed.

I agree putting plants like that in a town centre is far from ideal. But when the site in question has planning for a new town centre, it even makes it more questionable.

To recap. 83m of borrowed money that ultimately will be repaid by farmers, has been spent on a project that the epa has now found to be in breach of regulations. That is a recorded fact. Unfortunately as I still have money tied up in that place. Is it unreasonable to discuss that? It is still my business as long as I have money invested in it. Only one way to change that I suppose but unfortunately that is not my call.

I spoke to someone six months ago who informed me he has seen an engineers report that says the new silos were suffering from stress cracks as a result of being made from a sub standard grade of stainless. The report went on to recommend they be replaced as fixing them was not an option. If that engineers report is correct in its assessment then this is potentially a much more serious matter than we are lead to believe If one of those tanks burst. Its no laughing matter. Its potentially a very serious health and safety issue.

As already said move on ,let it go your no longer a supplier ,tbh and no offence u just sound bitter you are the only ex dairygold supplier I hear going on and on about it ,maby u wish u staid put I don't know
New warehouse is a on a site of a disused car garage across road from plant in kilconell

mahoney_j

Mooooo wrote: »

You're the only one discussing it ed and tbh honest it's becoming so tiresome I don't bother looking at the thread most of the time your the last post on it. It drags the thread off topic with pages of ****e

Big +1

Farmer Ed

Mooooo wrote: »

You're the only one discussing it ed and tbh honest it's becoming so tiresome I don't bother looking at the thread most of the time your the last post on it. It drags the thread off topic with pages of ****e

Have you not been listening to the radio and reading the news papers? Or have you just been listening to the press release's about the impending "butter bubble"ect. A poster on here has also expressed disbelief at how the locals can put up with the smell having experienced it himself. So unfortunately I am not the only one discussing it.

rangler1

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Have you not been listening to the radio and reading the news papers? Or have you just been listening to the press release's about the impending "butter bubble"ect. A poster on here has also expressed disbelief at how the locals can put up with the smell having experienced it himself. So unfortunately I am not the only one discussing it.

Are you any better than them if you're spreading slurry near houses.......can be vile smelling too

K.G.

No sign of johnny yet ,must be on hols

whelan2

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Have you not been listening to the radio and reading the news papers? Or have you just been listening to the press release's about the impending "butter bubble"ect. A poster on here has also expressed disbelief at how the locals can put up with the smell having experienced it himself. So unfortunately I am not the only one discussing it.

Open another thread for it.

Farmer Ed

rangler1 wrote: »

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Have you not been listening to the radio and reading the news papers? Or have you just been listening to the press release's about the impending "butter bubble"ect. A poster on here has also expressed disbelief at how the locals can put up with the smell having experienced it himself. So unfortunately I am not the only one discussing it.

Are you any better than them if you're spreading slurry near houses.......can be vile smelling too

Not a question of better or worse. Its actually a question of health and safety and complying with the law. Its also a question of how farmers resources are managed. Or possibly mismanaged.

Farmer Ed

rangler1 wrote: »

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Have you not been listening to the radio and reading the news papers? Or have you just been listening to the press release's about the impending "butter bubble"ect. A poster on here has also expressed disbelief at how the locals can put up with the smell having experienced it himself. So unfortunately I am not the only one discussing it.

Are you any better than them if you're spreading slurry near houses.......can be vile smelling too

Not a question of better or worse. Its actually a question of health and safety and complying with the law. Its also a question of how farmers resources are managed. Or possibly mismanaged.

Farmer Ed

rangler1 wrote: »

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Have you not been listening to the radio and reading the news papers? Or have you just been listening to the press release's about the impending "butter bubble"ect. A poster on here has also expressed disbelief at how the locals can put up with the smell having experienced it himself. So unfortunately I am not the only one discussing it.

Are you any better than them if you're spreading slurry near houses.......can be vile smelling too

Not a question of better or worse. Its actually a question of health and safety and complying with the law. Its also a question of how farmers resources are managed. Or possibly mismanaged.

The part time boy

As elsa from frozen would say let it go ed.

That bitterness can't be doing you any good

whelan2

The part time boy wrote: »

As elsa from frozen would say let it go ed.

That bitterness can't be doing you any good

Now that fecking song will be in my head all day

Farmer Ed

The part time boy wrote: »

As elsa from frozen would say let it go ed.

That bitterness can't be doing you any good

Would love to but not my call and if someone gets injured or worse then we will all be crying when its too late.

I don't like to see money squandered at the best of times but when its still my money, yea sorry but I do reserve the right to have an opinion. I don't think that's being unreasonable.

Keepgrowing

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Mod Note:

Alright lads and lassies, this discussion has come to an end. The title of the thread is MILK PRICE!!

Any discussion of any other matters should be discussed in a different thread.

Let's all return to the discussion of pricing, shall we?

Thanks in advance.

Buford T. Justice

Can the Mods open a thread for Farmer Ed exclusively, this way only those who want to indulge him can do so there. This thread has gone to shyte so much so that good posters are avoiding it

mf240

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Can the Mods open a thread for the talking horse exclusively, this way only those who want to indulge him can do so there. This thread has gone to shyte so much so that good posters are avoiding it

Can I name it?

In fairness to ed. If every farmer was a stubborn we'd be getting paid properly for our milk.

whelan2

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Can the Mods open a thread for the talking horse exclusively, this way only those who want to indulge him can do so there. This thread has gone to shyte so much so that good posters are avoiding it

Just put him on ignore

rangler1

mf240 wrote: »

Can I name it?

In fairness to ed. If every farmer was a stubborn we'd be getting paid properly for our milk.

but they're not and that's why I'd have no hope for the new grain growers effort either.
The work'll be left to a few

Farmer Ed

rangler1 wrote: »

mf240 wrote: »

Can I name it?

In fairness to ed. If every farmer was a stubborn we'd be getting paid properly for our milk.

but they're not and that's why I'd have no hope for the new grain growers effort either.
The work'll be left to a few

Ah Rangler correct me if I'm wrong but are you suggesting you kind of have a secret admiration for my stubborn streak. I think that's about the nicest thing you have ever said to me. Possibly we have more in common than we realise. Getting all emotional here. Bff.

blue5000

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Ah Rangler correct me if I'm wrong but are you suggesting you kind of have a secret admiration for my stubborn streak. I think that's about the nicest thing you have ever said to me. Possibly we have more in common than we realise. Getting all emotional here. Bff.

Ok Ed just take a chill pill there now, we don't want anyone getting hurt feelings

Water John

Met a friend yesterday, bemoaning the difference between what he got for his milk at Dairygold compared to his near neighbour Lisavard.
€24K in the one year alone, he estimates.
People on the Price Thread are chasing .5 cent and a bit more solids to get a return on their hard work.
Now the people supplying Glanbia or Kerry didn't do too well on price either. But the money skinned off their suppliers has been used a fatten the balance sheet of a multinational, at least.

BTW, KG, I was busy finishing a contract over the last week. I didn't sulk off and close my account, to open again a few months later. Or maybe it was User John you were looking for?

And ed, it seems similar total plant to Mallow built on a greenfield site in NZ came in something around half the cost. That would have given Dairygold suppliers almost all of the diff with Lisavard.

K.G.

Water John wrote: »

Met a friend yesterday, bemoaning the difference between what he got for his milk at Dairygold compared to his near neighbour Lisavard.
€24K in the one year alone, he estimates.
People on the Price Thread are chasing .5 cent and a bit more solids to get a return on their hard work.
Now the people supplying Glanbia or Kerry didn't do too well on price either. But the money skinned off their suppliers has been used a fatten the balance sheet of a multinational, at least.

BTW, KG, I was busy finishing a contract over the last week. I didn't sulk off and close my account, to open again a few months later. Or maybe it was User John you were looking for?

And ed, it seems similar total plant to Mallow built on a greenfield site in NZ came in something around half the cost. That would have given Dairygold suppliers almost all of the diff with Lisavard.

As teenagers say nowadays"whatever".but let me assure johnny boy you dont have a clue why keep going closed the account.

Panjandrums

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Sam Kade

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Bad stink in Mallow alright
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/big-stink-over-dairy-plant-smell-in-mallow-453514.html

The smell is bad enough alright but frigid bridget is really dramatising it like a lot of radio callers.

Farmer Ed

Sam Kade wrote: »

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Bad stink in Mallow alright
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/big-stink-over-dairy-plant-smell-in-mallow-453514.html

The smell is bad enough alright but frigid bridget is really dramatising it like a lot of radio callers.

Who is Bridget ? Still having spent that amount of money surely questions need to be asked? The EPA is obviously not happy with the set up either.

Sam Kade

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Who is Bridget ? Still having spent that amount of money surely questions need to be asked? The EPA is obviously not happy with the set up either.

She's mentioned in that link you posted.

Farmer Ed

Sam Kade wrote: »

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Who is Bridget ? Still having spent that amount of money surely questions need to be asked? The EPA is obviously not happy with the set up either.

She's mentioned in that link you posted.

OK sorry.

Farmer Ed

https://m.facebook.com/sharer.php?fs=5&sid=433412803718752

Looks like this could also have implications for planned discharges in to cork harbour also as objectors are citing this as a reason to object to the east Cork partnership with the Norwegians.

Farmer Ed

http://www.dairygold.ie/ apparently the Mallow plant is feeding millions of people around the world according to this video ?????

mf240

John and Edward. The original jedward.

Farmer Ed

mf240 wrote: »

John and Edward. The original jedward.

Na but I have a solo recording that I'm waiting for the right time to release. They say timing is everything. Not sure if John would be interest in a duet? Maybe for a charity gig?

That said for those who are uncomfortable with the truth? If they want to direct their disapproval at Louis Walsh? Possibly an idea? Sorry Louis?