Footballer of the Year

castletownman · 15-09-2017 01:17PM

A Dublin fan claiming that they don't care or remember who won previous POTY awards were probably up in arms when Dermo was overlooked

MayoAreMagic · 15-09-2017 01:24PM

blanch152 wrote: »

But my point goes to the heart of your issue. No player would put an POTY award ahead of an All-Ireland medal. Do you think Bernard Brogan will be taking out his POTY award in twenty years time and saying look at this? Or will he take out his All-Ireland medals.

The point isn't about which will guys be looking at in 20 years, the point is about which is harder to win. It is unquestionable that it is harder to win the POTY. End of story.

blanch152 wrote: »

It is a nice little bauble, but no more than an All-Star it is only a consolation to someone who has lost an All-Ireland and a bit of icing on the substantial cake to someone who has won one, then POTY has a similar place. Sometimes, like last year's All-Star for Clarke, these awards are given in sympathy to someone who lost.

It is probably some consolation too to fans of losing All-Ireland teams that at least their man won POTY. I know what most would prefer.

Actually no, it is the award, voted by your peers, as the outstanding player in the entire game for that year. That is actually a massive honour. Plenty of relatively average inter-county players have all Irelands, the same cant be said of the POTY award.

blanch152 · 15-09-2017 04:46PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

The point isn't about which will guys be looking at in 20 years, the point is about which is harder to win. It is unquestionable that it is harder to win the POTY. End of story.

Actually no, it is the award, voted by your peers, as the outstanding player in the entire game for that year. That is actually a massive honour. Plenty of relatively average inter-county players have all Irelands, the same cant be said of the POTY award.

What a load of rubbish. The difficulty of winning something has no relation to its importance or its status. For soccer players, it is much more difficult statistically to achieve legend status on FIFA computer games than it is to win a World Cup medal, so according to your logic, becoming a legend on FIFA is more important.

Look, POTY is a nice debate on message boards and All-Stars too, they're the same. Well, they also have a nice meal out for the winners and used to have matches abroad as well. However, they are nothing compared to an All-Ireland win.

MayoAreMagic · 15-09-2017 04:57PM

blanch152 wrote: »

What a load of rubbish. The difficulty of winning something has no relation to its importance or its status. For soccer players, it is much more difficult statistically to achieve legend status on FIFA computer games than it is to win a World Cup medal, so according to your logic, becoming a legend on FIFA is more important.

Look, POTY is a nice debate on message boards and All-Stars too, they're the same. Well, they also have a nice meal out for the winners and used to have matches abroad as well. However, they are nothing compared to an All-Ireland win.

Fifa games... While deliberately ignoring the highly prestigious balon dor...
Then trying to shoe-horn all stars in again despite them working off a completely different system...
Sad stuff.
Poty is harder to win man. Get over it

keeponhurling · 16-09-2017 10:59PM

It's an interesting one, with no clear favourite going into the final.

For Mayo I think Aidan O'Shea has been their best performer, with Moran and Boyle close by.

For Dublin probably it had been too easy so their backs could never stand out. I'd say Kilkenny or O'Callaghan are big contenders. Not sure about Cluxton really , has he done enough.

Paul Geaney surely is in the running. He was been class, and don't forget Kerry won the league final too. He scored 8 points in the final, 4 from play.

washman3 · 16-09-2017 11:13PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

It's an interesting one, with no clear favourite going into the final.

For Mayo I think Aidan O'Shea has been their best performer, with Moran and Boyle close by.

For Dublin probably it had been too easy so their backs could never stand out. I'd say Kilkenny or O'Callaghan are big contenders. Not sure about Cluxton really , has he done enough.

Paul Geaney surely is in the running. He was been class, and don't forget Kerry won the league final too. He scored 8 points in the final, 4 from play.

In the earlier games Keegan was head and shoulders above any other Mayo player. Roscommon would have won the first game had it not been for him, simple as. Then came his injury and he has been hampered for the last 2 games. Boyle has excelled when the going got tough, a real standout player.
Moran is in the form of his life. Many people forget the displays of keeper Clarke, he has been immense, as has the most under-rated player on the team, Jason Doherty. Probable the most honest player in football at the moment. All of these players would be well ahead of O'Shea IMO, even his brother Seamus, a totally honest player too. But Aidan is a 'media darling' and his buddies in there will always push for him.
For me its down to Boyle,Moran,Clarke,Callaghan,Cluxton,Kilkenny and Geaney.
With Boyle out in front at this point in time.

Poor_old_gill · 16-09-2017 11:31PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

It's an interesting one, with no clear favourite going into the final.

For Mayo I think Aidan O'Shea has been their best performer, with Moran and Boyle close by.

For Dublin probably it had been too easy so their backs could never stand out. I'd say Kilkenny or O'Callaghan are big contenders. Not sure about Cluxton really , has he done enough.

Paul Geaney surely is in the running. He was been class, and don't forget Kerry won the league final too. He scored 8 points in the final, 4 from play.

Non championship performances don't matter unless it's Dermo so Geaney is out

aidan24326 · 17-09-2017 06:19AM

washman3 wrote: »

In the earlier games Keegan was head and shoulders above any other Mayo player. Roscommon would have won the first game had it not been for him, simple as. Then came his injury and he has been hampered for the last 2 games. Boyle has excelled when the going got tough, a real standout player.
Moran is in the form of his life. Many people forget the displays of keeper Clarke, he has been immense, as has the most under-rated player on the team, Jason Doherty. Probable the most honest player in football at the moment. All of these players would be well ahead of O'Shea IMO, even his brother Seamus, a totally honest player too. But Aidan is a 'media darling' and his buddies in there will always push for him.
For me its down to Boyle,Moran,Clarke,Callaghan,Cluxton,Kilkenny and Geaney.
With Boyle out in front at this point in time.

Can't understand why Cluxton is being talked about as FOTY. I can only think it's been a slow year with no standout performer and he might get it almost as some lifetime achievement award or something.

He has done nothing wrong, his kickouts have been good, very composed as usual etc etc, but Dublin have been so in control that he has had very little to do overall, and for most of Dublin's championship campaign so far he could have sat down in the goalmouth area and had a picnic.

corny · 17-09-2017 06:50AM

aidan24326 wrote: »

He has done nothing wrong, his kickouts have been good, very composed as usual etc etc, but Dublin have been so in control that he has had very little to do overall, and for most of Dublin's championship campaign so far he could have sat down in the goalmouth area and had a picnic.

Mightn't be game clinching contributions but Cluxton has been called upon quite a bit this year. His shot stopping has been first class. Either you deliberately ignored that or you haven't been watching Dublins games.

ThunbergsAreGo · 17-09-2017 07:32AM

aidan24326 wrote: »

Can't understand why Cluxton is being talked about as FOTY. I can only think it's been a slow year with no standout performer and he might get it almost as some lifetime achievement award or something.

He has done nothing wrong, his kickouts have been good, very composed as usual etc etc, but Dublin have been so in control that he has had very little to do overall, and for most of Dublin's championship campaign so far he could have sat down in the goalmouth area and had a picnic.

Feel the same about Keegan being mentioned, one good game this year. He was poor in earlier games. O Shea has been consistently better for me this year

Feel like Dublin players have less chance as they won games more convincingly.

km79 · 17-09-2017 08:53AM

If mayo win it will be whoever has the biggest impact out of Aidan o shea and Andy Moran in the final
If mayo are to win it think Aidan o shea has to play very well. Moreso than Moran

If the dubs win take your pick !
Can't understand Cluxton being favourite though

liam7831 · 17-09-2017 09:04AM

Donaghy for me

Stoner · 17-09-2017 09:05AM

km79 wrote:

Can't understand Clinton being favourite though

I think it's his accuracy with cigar placement

km79 · 17-09-2017 09:21AM

liam7831 wrote: »

Donaghy for me

Zero chance

washman3 · 17-09-2017 10:46AM

naughtb4 wrote: »

Feel the same about Keegan being mentioned, one good game this year. He was poor in earlier games. O Shea has been consistently better for me this year

Feel like Dublin players have less chance as they won games more convincingly.

O'Shea consistent...?? you must be believing the hype his media buddies are spewing.
Anonymous V Galway (coming back from injury granted)
Average V Derry (remember Derry had a free at the death to win that game)
Anonymous V Clare in the first half, came into the game when Clare lost a midfielder to injury and their best defender to a black card.
Anonymous V Cork until Aidan Walshe got injured.
Anonymous V Roscommon in the drawn game bar his vital interception that saved a certain Ross goal and a probable win.
Very good game V Rossies in replay, every Mayo player and subs were excellent, Rossies were a busted flush anyway.
Really poor V Kerry in drawn game, his opponent directly involved in 2-6
Average to good in replay when Mayo dominated midfield due to Parsons and Seamie being excellent with Moran on fire inside.

If that's consistant, then I must be blind.
If you want consistency look no further than Boyle on indeed Higgins.
Higgins has been consistently excellent for a decade but sometimes goes unnoticed because he doesn't court the media, at all.

ThunbergsAreGo · 17-09-2017 10:48AM

washman3 wrote: »

O'Shea consistent...?? you must be believing the hype his media buddies are spewing.
Anonymous V Galway (coming back from injury granted)
Average V Derry (remember Derry had a free at the death to win that game)
Anonymous V Clare in the first half, came into the game when Clare lost a midfielder to injury and their best defender to a black card.
Anonymous V Cork until Aidan Walshe got injured.
Anonymous V Roscommon in the drawn game bar his vital interception that saved a certain Ross goal and a probable win.
Very good game V Rossies in replay, every Mayo player and subs were excellent, Rossies were a busted flush anyway.
Really poor V Kerry in drawn game, his opponent directly involved in 2-6
Average to good in replay when Mayo dominated midfield due to Parsons and Seamie being excellent with Moran on fire inside.

If that's consistant, then I must be blind.
If you want consistency look no further than Boyle on indeed Higgins.
Higgins has been consistently excellent for a decade but sometimes goes unnoticed because he doesn't court the media, at all.

I was just speaking compared to Keegan who has played one great half

The media will sway who wins it tonight anyway

I'm sure everyone playing today would rather win today and not be FOTY

washman3 · 17-09-2017 10:49AM

liam7831 wrote: »

Donaghy for me

Has been excellent too this year too.
Almost won the first game V Mayo on his own.
If he had got the service in the replay he would have done the same.

washman3 · 17-09-2017 10:53AM

naughtb4 wrote: »

I was just speaking compared to Keegan who has played one great half

The media will sway who wins it tonight anyway

I'm sure everyone playing today would rather win today and not be FOTY

Ya, I see your point. But TPF Keegan picked up that injury and it was worse than many people know about.
Even a big game for Fenton today could sway it as he was very close last year and for me should have won it.
But like you say, winning A.I. is priority.

Faugheen · 17-09-2017 11:01AM

Honestly, some of the ****e that gets written about Stephen Cluxton on these boards bores me to death.

He's had a stellar career, but still people look to pick holes and write him off/say their team's keeper is better than him. Utter nonsense. Cluxton has changed the role of the goalkeeper immensely but no, he's only good at kick-outs.

I honestly am sick of the begrudery towards him. He can alter his play numerous times and people will try to find fault in his game, referencing a match that was played about 10 years ago.

I saw someone suggest that he only gets All-Stars because picking the keeper means they can get a Dub in there. Again, no credit to what the man does year-in, year-out.

If Cluxton played for Mayo/Kerry he'd be heralded as the best keeper of all time, a title which he would deserve. However because he plays for Dublin people still try to write him off.

We don't deserve players like him in the GAA, because clearly so many can't see past their red mist against Dublin to recognise what a great footballer he is.

Arcade_Tryer · 17-09-2017 01:29PM

Aidan O'Shea.

More pressure on him in every big game than any other player in the country, handles it admirably, and is the engine that drives this Mayo team, and allows the more highly praised Higgins, Keegan, Boyle, O'Connor, Moran to perform. If he delivers in the final, it would be the obvious choice for honest assessors.

liam7831 · 17-09-2017 01:34PM

km79 wrote:

Zero chance

I didn't say he was going to win, I just gave my opinion

Doltanian · 17-09-2017 01:41PM

Could a Minor footballer get young player of the year or is that gong usually reserve for young senior players?

DJIMI TRARORE · 17-09-2017 03:53PM

Andy Moran getting closer to winning this by the minute,

blanch152 · 17-09-2017 08:20PM

Doltanian wrote: »

Could a Minor footballer get young player of the year or is that gong usually reserve for young senior players?

This year it is reserved for Con O'Callaghan.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 17-09-2017 08:33PM

Interesting to see who'll get the main award.

I think Con O'Callaghan might have a chance.

Cluxton might get it as a Ryan Giggs style lifetime achievement award.

washman3 · 17-09-2017 09:47PM

After today. O'Callaghan has a serious chance but James McCarthy was immense and MOTM today and may take POTY ahead of Callaghan and Cluxton.
I hope Andy Moran can take it as it may just be his last year. He was outstanding in the first half today, quiet in the second but set up the Keegan goal. Coming into today's game it was between himself,Boyle and Clarke from a Mayo selection but he surpassed them today.

TCDStudent1 · 17-09-2017 10:45PM

I think it will be Andy Moran.

If I recall correctly, players vote for POTY. That will work in Moran's favour as Mayo played so many games (and he was superb in most of them).

pimpmyhat · 17-09-2017 10:48PM

Hard to look past Andy moran

Shurimgreat · 18-09-2017 11:41AM

Andy Moran or James McCarthy would be the two standouts of the year.

Con O'Callaghan for young player.

Cluxton had an awful final. Gave away countless kickouts when Mayo pressed up. Was the reason why Mayo dominated in the first half.

ThunbergsAreGo · 18-09-2017 11:48AM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Andy Moran or James McCarthy would be the two standouts of the year.

Con O'Callaghan for young player.

Cluxton had an awful final. Gave away countless kickouts when Mayo pressed up. Was the reason why Mayo dominated in the first half.

I would put it down to Mayo being great in the middle, they destroyed Dublins midfield

Footballer of the Year

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