Can You Drive Alone On A Provisional In Ireland?

murpho999 · 24-08-2017 9:39am

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

I like to call it full license snobbery.

So you think it's right that unqualified drivers just drive on our roads?

Iseedeadpixels · 24-08-2017 9:40am

murpho999 wrote: »

So you think it's right that unqualified drivers just drive on our roads?

I'd be a hypocrite if I said no.

Lots of qualified drivers drive like ****e.

ohnonotgmail · 24-08-2017 9:43am

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

Roll on everyone saying "I took they keys without telling them" wonder will they still prosecute the car owner?

so the provisional driver gets charged with theft as well as driving alone?

murpho999 · 24-08-2017 9:46am

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

I'd be a hypocrite if I said no.

Lots of qualified drivers drive like ****e.

Agree with you that qualified drivers are poor. That's because the test and manner of teaching is poor.

That said, people who are not qualified should not be driving dangerous vehicles.

Iseedeadpixels · 24-08-2017 9:50am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so the provisional driver gets charged with theft as well as driving alone?

Well thats up to the owner to want a prosecution.

murpho999 wrote: »

Agree with you that qualified drivers are poor. That's because the test and manner of teaching is poor.

That said, people who are not qualified should not be driving dangerous vehicles.

Depends on the driver, I was more than confident to drive a 1.5 litre car as my first car with only 3 lessons and on the M50 within 2 weeks, I actually feel driving on the motorway helped me in my test.

ohnonotgmail · 24-08-2017 9:52am

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

Well thats up to the owner to want a prosecution.

Depends on the driver, I was more than confident to drive a 1.5 litre car as my first car with only 3 lessons and on the M50 within 2 weeks, I actually feel driving on the motorway helped me in my test.

Its not up the to owner. if they are stopped by a garda driving on their own either the owner has given permission, in which case they are prosecuted, or the owner hasnt given permission, in which case the driver is prosecuted for theft. the garda dont need the owners permission to prosecute.

Iseedeadpixels · 24-08-2017 10:11am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Its not up the to owner. if they are stopped by a garda driving on their own either the owner has given permission, in which case they are prosecuted, or the owner hasnt given permission, in which case the driver is prosecuted for theft. the garda dont need the owners permission to prosecute.

Garda will always ask the owner, especially in a case like that where a family is involved.

kylith · 24-08-2017 10:15am

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

Depends on the driver, I was more than confident to drive a 1.5 litre car as my first car with only 3 lessons and on the M50 within 2 weeks, I actually feel driving on the motorway helped me in my test.

I don't think learners should be on the motorway. Not because it's dangerous, but because it's too easy. You don't learn anything on a motorway except how to get up to speed and stay there.

murpho999 · 24-08-2017 10:16am

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

Depends on the driver, I was more than confident to drive a 1.5 litre car as my first car with only 3 lessons and on the M50 within 2 weeks, I actually feel driving on the motorway helped me in my test.

That may have worked in your case but the majority of learners could not handle a motorway after 3 lessons (I really doubt you did it right too) and rules have to reflect that.

ohnonotgmail · 24-08-2017 10:16am

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

Garda will always ask the owner, especially in a case like that where a family is involved.

But they dont have to.

Iseedeadpixels · 24-08-2017 10:17am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

But they dont have to.

I know plenty of Garda family included who wouldnt be arsed pushing for a prosecution.

Iseedeadpixels · 24-08-2017 10:19am

murpho999 wrote: »

That may have worked in your case but the majority of learners could not handle a motorway after 3 lessons (I really doubt you did it right too) and rules have to reflect that.

It's not rocket science :rolleyes:

ohnonotgmail · 24-08-2017 10:19am

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

I know plenty of Garda family included who wouldnt be arsed pushing for a prosecution.

with the introduction of a new law making it an offense to let a learner driver drive alone hopefully that will change.

Iseedeadpixels · 24-08-2017 10:25am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

with the introduction of a new law making it an offense to let a learner driver drive alone hopefully that will change.

It won't.

murpho999 · 24-08-2017 10:25am

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

It's not rocket science :rolleyes:

No, but I'd hazard a guess that you still probably drive wrong on a motorway.

Do you join traffic at 100-120km if they traffic is moving at that speed?
Do you stay in the driving lane?
Do you join an exit lane as soon as it starts?
Do you never stop in the hard shoulder?

Sue Pa Key Pa · 24-08-2017 10:30am

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

Roll on everyone saying "I took they keys without telling them" wonder will they still prosecute the car owner?

I've dealt with cases where uninsured partners/boyfriends have taken the car without permission and crashed them. The owner of the car in each instance followed through in assisting the Gardai with an unauthorised taking prosecution. The insurer honoured the theft claim

Permabear · 24-08-2017 10:41am

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Sue Pa Key Pa · 24-08-2017 10:54am

Permabear wrote: »

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I was behind a young lad last night on the N11, who was driving a tractor, wearing a good suit. He pulled in to the car park of a local hotel which was hosting a grad night. I appreciate he may have had a full licence, but I still had a little chuckle to myself at the thought he put in to it. No date with him, mind you

Dravokivich · 24-08-2017 11:38am

kylith wrote: »

I don't think learners should be on the motorway. Not because it's dangerous, but because it's too easy. You don't learn anything on a motorway except how to get up to speed and stay there.

I find there's a lot more observation and anticipation needed on a motorway.

murpho999 · 24-08-2017 11:54am

Sue Pa Key Pa wrote: »

I was behind a young lad last night on the N11, who was driving a tractor, wearing a good suit. He pulled in to the car park of a local hotel which was hosting a grad night. I appreciate he may have had a full licence, but I still had a little chuckle to myself at the thought he put in to it. No date with him, mind you

I heard that guy used to have a girlfriend. They shared a common love of farm machinery.

However they broke up and she became an ex-tractor fan.

freshpopcorn · 24-08-2017 11:58am

Sue Pa Key Pa wrote: »

I was behind a young lad last night on the N11, who was driving a tractor, wearing a good suit. He pulled in to the car park of a local hotel which was hosting a grad night. I appreciate he may have had a full licence, but I still had a little chuckle to myself at the thought he put in to it. No date with him, mind you

It doesn't mean he didn't have.
The lads with the tractor generally do in my experience!

PS, I'm referring to a date and not a licence!

Iseedeadpixels · 24-08-2017 12:01pm

murpho999 wrote: »

No, but I'd hazard a guess that you still probably drive wrong on a motorway.

Do you join traffic at 100-120km if they traffic is moving at that speed?
Do you stay in the driving lane?
Do you join an exit lane as soon as it starts?
Do you never stop in the hard shoulder?

I follow the speed limit as noted on the ramp.
I move to the middle lane as its usually going at the correct limit.
I join as early as possible as people who swoop in last minute do my head in.
Why would I stop in the hard shoulder unless I've and emergency?

Regardless if I "drive wrong" which is a ridiculous statement considering the nutters in Audis and BMWs on the road I'm still safe and stick to the limit, make sure I have space to move if I need to over take, even if I had 10+ lessons I still wouldn't have gotten motorway experience so it's the only way.

murpho999 · 24-08-2017 12:12pm

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

I follow the speed limit as noted on the ramp.
I move to the middle lane as its usually going at the correct limit.
I join as early as possible as people who swoop in last minute do my head in.
Why would I stop in the hard shoulder unless I've and emergency?

Regardless if I "drive wrong" which is a ridiculous statement considering the nutters in Audis and BMWs on the road I'm still safe and stick to the limit, make sure I have space to move if I need to over take, even if I had 10+ lessons I still wouldn't have gotten motorway experience so it's the only way.

Look I'm not having a go at you but without seeing you drive I am guessing that going on a motorway after three lessons, when your driving skills are definitely not enough, would mean that may have bad habits that follow you.

However, moving to the middle lane if the left hand land is empty is wrong.

No doubt there are a lot worse things on the road.

Agree with you about the lessons. It's wrong that motorway driving is not taught and tested in Ireland.

Iseedeadpixels · 24-08-2017 12:18pm

murpho999 wrote: »

Look I'm not having a go at you but without seeing you drive I am guessing that going on a motorway after three lessons, when your driving skills are definitely not enough, would mean that may have bad habits that follow you.

However, moving to the middle lane if the left hand land is empty is wrong.

No doubt there are a lot worse things on the road.

Agree with you about the lessons. It's wrong that motorway driving is not taught and tested in Ireland.

You never mentioned if the left lane was empty though so that was a trick question, there is rarely any space on the left lane due to merging cars, I arrive on the M50 from the red cow heading towards Tallaght at 5:30-6 there is no chance of staying in that lane without constant braking.

murpho999 · 24-08-2017 12:23pm

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

You never mentioned if the left lane was empty though so that was a trick question, there is rarely any space on the left lane due to merging cars, I arrive on the M50 from the red cow heading towards Tallaght at 5:30-6 there is no chance of staying in that lane without constant braking.

I know that problem, caused by people thinking they can drive any slow speed in the 1st lane and it causes all sorts of problems.

Irish people seem to think there are "slow" and "fast" lanes.

You also see plenty of people at off peak hours driving in overtaking lanes when the driving lane is empty and that drives me mad.

Iseedeadpixels · 24-08-2017 12:25pm

murpho999 wrote: »

I know that problem, caused by people thinking they can drive any slow speed in the 1st lane and it causes all sorts of problems.

Irish people seem to think there are "slow" and "fast" lanes.

You also see plenty of people at off peak hours driving in overtaking lanes when the driving lane is empty and that drives me mad.

You should be a Garda

murpho999 · 24-08-2017 12:52pm

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

You should be a Garda

Ha Ha yes.

I would love a day on the M50 and M7 in a Garda Traffic Corp car.

Record tickets and convictions for driving too slow, lane hogging, tailgating, stopping on hard shoudlder, joining motorway too slow, and exiting too late.

Can You Drive Alone On A Provisional In Ireland?

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