ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

wonderfullife · 17-08-2017 07:58PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Would you pull yourself aside, and have a word with yourself. If you're upset about Charlottesville go on over and discuss that on the relevant thread and stop deflecting the issue at hand? Or have a Valium, whatever you're into

What genius suggested you as a moderator of anything incidentally? You're the most condescending "know-it-all" who knows nothing.

WoollyRedHat · 17-08-2017 07:59PM

Looks like we need to install bollards at every major pedestrsinised thoroughfare , especially in such a tight density area such as Las Ramblas. If that's what it takes to stop these bastards from mowing down innocents so be it. Definitely think we need it for likes of Henry St. and Grafton like someone suggested.

But as part of the bigger picture , we have western politicians with their hands soaked in blood. Who continue to do trade including arms deals to a violent and backwards regime who actively fund the extremist ideologies that are wrecking havoc everywhere. You will more than likely hear politicians denounce this with the useful hogwash as their meaningless words do nothing when they sit beside the elephant in the room that promotes wahhabism which in turn seeks to maim and kill. The temerity of figureheads of state to speak in platitudes when they refuse to actually act is disgusting.

Gravelly · 17-08-2017 08:00PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Maybe you should look up the meaning of the word implied.

There is more than one way to say something.

Very true. Some people would believe the whole "shure aren't the roads dangerous too, and it's nothing really" argument you were making earlier in the thread as tacit approval of mass murder, as long as it is in the name of islam, so be careful as people can imply what they like - it's better to assume that what people say is what they mean.

wonderfullife · 17-08-2017 08:00PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Would you pull yourself aside, and have a word with yourself. If you're upset about Charlottesville go on over and discuss that on the relevant thread and stop deflecting the issue at hand? Or have a Valium, whatever you're into

The issue at hand incidentally, thanks for missing the point, is that if we don't show condemnation of all terror attacks, it leads to ordinary Muslims feeling victimised when we only demonize attacks carried out "in their name".

Will I Am Not · 17-08-2017 08:01PM

So has wonderfullife actually commented on this incident or just what other posters didn't do in a different thread?

I mean that would be incredibly hypocritical considering the line of attack used on the other posters...

emo72 · 17-08-2017 08:01PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Ok, there you go.

I don't see how people can argue that the posts above are anti-islamic and implying that the whole religion and its followers are a terrorist problem.

What's wrong with being anti Islamic? I have loads of issues with Christianity too. No time for a religion that treats women as inferior. Or hates gay people. Or hates other religions for being non believers. It's basic belief that it's going to bring about world peace, by converting everyone to Islam. Nope it's madness.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 17-08-2017 08:03PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

What genius suggested you as a moderator of anything incidentally? You're the most condescending "know-it-all" who knows nothing.

Yeah babe, I'm the one who thinks not posting in a thread on social media means we're responsible for killing innocent people in the states. Calm yourself, you're hysterical.

The_Kew_Tour · 17-08-2017 08:03PM

I do apologise for my last few posts about personal stuff but offer was open and poster has not accepted it so I move on.

This is not place for a bitter poster v poster battle.

Anyway hope they catch the guilty parties no matter who they are. Peace out.

end of the road · 17-08-2017 08:03PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Jesus Christ, or Allah or whatever you're having yourself. You are absolutely hung up on this brown people point. Islam is not a race. Islam is not a race. Islam is not a race. The people that commit these attacks are apparently doing it in the name of Allah. Their skin colour is irrelevant.

Far right and far left are two sides of the same coin IMO. Two hate-filled intolerant sh*tty agendas.

religion can be used to target people on the basis of skin colour or other trates, so while a religion isn't a race it can be used as part of a racist agenda.
you are correct though that far right and far left are both extremists and they must be challenged at every opportunity.

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Anyway - on the security front, Dublin doesn't have many armed guards but I assume the Defence forces would be on scene fairly rapidly?

the emergency responce unit and members of the defence forces would be on hand yes. the emergency responce unit is equiped and capible to deal with a terrorist attack in any form.

Divelment wrote: »

It's long past time that we had solid right wing political options in this country.

renewa and fg are your right wing options. if you want far right well tough few are interested.

murpho999 · 17-08-2017 08:03PM

Gravelly wrote: »

Very true. Some people would believe the whole "shure aren't the roads dangerous too, and it's nothing really" argument you were making earlier in the thread as tacit approval of mass murder, as long as it is in the name of islam, so be careful as people can imply what they like - it's better to assume that what people say is what they mean.

No that's twisting what was being said.

I was pointing out how people react to this awful incidents with fear and over reaction (not travellng etc) but think nothing of how people die every die on the roads.

I also looked for the extensive discussions about two terrorist incidents recently in Kabul when almost 200 people, mostly muslim were killed.

Couldn't find it though.

wonderfullife · 17-08-2017 08:05PM

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

So has wonderfullife actually commented on this incident or just what other posters didn't do in a different thread?

I mean that would be incredibly hypocritical considering the line of attack used on the other posters...

My comment on the incident is that it's an equal horrifying attack as the one the other day. Whatever lunatic committed this is a disgrace to humanity. I absolutely love Barcelona it's one of my favourite places I've ever been to and I'm heartbroken for them all.

I just think if we saw an equality of outrage over all acts of terrorism we might be able to destroy the ISIS narrative of "Us vs Them".

Make no mistake this will be ISIS propaganda, the fact that President Trump barely condemned Charlottesville but did condemn Barcelona. The first thing they will say is "SEE they only care when Muslims/brown people do it".

If we actually stood up to ALL hatred and didn't demonise the many for the actions of a tiny percentage of radicals, we'd start getting somewhere.

BillyBobBS · 17-08-2017 08:06PM

Elephant in the room but let's not mention that in case we get pigeon holed as racists.

A Little Pony · 17-08-2017 08:10PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Go to my twitter page. I pm a link.

I'm not right or left wing

And tell me I didn't care about what happened there.

You're showing your true colours

You've nearly 30,000 posts on Boards and not one about Charlottesville involving right-wing-terrorists but literally thousands about Islamic terror.

I guarantee if the driver in Charlottesville was a Muslim you'd have posted tons in that thread too.

There needs to be EQUIVALENCY in how we react to TERROR regardless of who commits it. If we don't show unity and condemn all terror, condemn the tiny fractions of people of all religions (and no religions) who commit acts of terror, then all we are doing is deepening the "us vs them" divide.

We'll literally never even get close to solutions to problems if we keep giving nutters, whether they be Islamic, brown, Christian, white, atheist whatever the narrative of "us = good, bad = them".

It's not us deepening that divide, it is Muslims all over Europe who are doing this, either by turning a blind eye to what is going on in Muslim communities, ostracizing themselves into ghetto sh*t holes in places like Belgium and France, accepting far too readily the ideology of ISIS propaganda in Mosques being preached by batsh*t crazy Imams who seem to get away with FAR more than any Christian minister would.

They bring the hostile reaction upon themselves because it is coming from that community and these incidents are nearly ALWAYS from people from that community throughout Europe, not just the UK. Stop blaming us for this, this is a problem they have, they can't seem to accept that we reject religious bollocks in most forms now, we aren't interested in Islam, we don't want it changing our laws by replacing it with barbaric form of law such as Sharia.

They need to seek within themselves and decide what role they want to have in these democratic western countries. The religious nonsense isn't strong here, most people don't follow it now, they need to accept this.

BillyBobBS · 17-08-2017 08:10PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

My comment on the incident is that it's an equal horrifying attack as the one the other day. Whatever lunatic committed this is a disgrace to humanity. I absolutely love Barcelona it's one of my favourite places I've ever been to and I'm heartbroken for them all.

I just think if we saw an equality of outrage over all acts of terrorism we might be able to destroy the ISIS narrative of "Us vs Them".

Make no mistake this will be ISIS propaganda, the fact that President Trump barely condemned Charlottesville but did condemn Barcelona. The first thing they will say is "SEE they only care when Muslims/brown people do it".

If we actually stood up to ALL hatred and didn't demonise the many for the actions of a tiny percentage of radicals, we'd start getting somewhere.

Trump condemned Charlottesville twice. Stop telling fibs.

These jihadi savages don't care what Trump said or did they aren't stopping and this is now the new normal.

I'd like to see your government at least make some sort of effort to put barriers in place at the top and bottom of both Grafton and Henry Street for a start.

gitzy16v · 17-08-2017 08:10PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

My comment on the incident is that it's an equal horrifying attack as the one the other day. Whatever lunatic committed this is a disgrace to humanity. I absolutely love Barcelona it's one of my favourite places I've ever been to and I'm heartbroken for them all.

I just think if we saw an equality of outrage over all acts of terrorism we might be able to destroy the ISIS narrative of "Us vs Them".

Make no mistake this will be ISIS propaganda, the fact that President Trump barely condemned Charlottesville but did condemn Barcelona. The first thing they will say is "SEE they only care when Muslims/brown people do it".

If we actually stood up to ALL hatred and didn't demonise the many for the actions of a tiny percentage of radicals, we'd start getting somewhere.

Maybe if the neo-nazi's start killing people by the dozen in Europe every couple of months you might get the equality of outrage you are looking for.

Besides the point...that terrorist attack in the US was after a protest and counter protest where you have to admit tensions were high...whereas all these Islamic terrorist attacks are targeting civilians going about their daily lives with no beef against anybody else...Just my thoughts on why the reaction to both attacks are different

murpho999 · 17-08-2017 08:11PM

emo72 wrote: »

What's wrong with being anti Islamic? I have loads of issues with Christianity too. No time for a religion that treats women as inferior. Or hates gay people. Or hates other religions for being non believers. It's basic belief that it's going to bring about world peace, by converting everyone to Islam. Nope it's madness.

Nothing wrong with it.

I am very anti-religion myself. Strong atheist.

Being against some of Islam's policies and preaching is perfectly fine but to infer that Islam promotes and supports terrorism as some posters here is just wrong.

Of course those with their own agenda just won't see that and twist words to suit their own argument.

Steve F · 17-08-2017 08:12PM

fatknacker wrote: »

Airplanes are no longer terrorist's weapons of choice. It's far easier and more effective to use transport on the ground.

For now....
Strikes me these loonies will try anything :mad:

gitzy16v · 17-08-2017 08:14PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Nothing wrong with it.

I am very anti-religion myself. Strong atheist.

Being against some of Islam's policies and preaching is perfectly fine but to infer that Islam promotes and supports terrorism as some posters here is just wrong.

Of course those with their own agenda just won't see that and twist words to suit their own argument.

You keep coming back to this!
Why is it wrong to suggest Islam is promoting these attacks?
Its certainly wrong to suggest all followers of Islam promote these attacks but there is plenty of parts of Islam that do promote the supremacy of the ideology.

Divelment · 17-08-2017 08:14PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

We're statistically speaking (in Europe) the safest we have been EVER. By every single metric we are living longer, terror attacks are at all-time lows, murder rates are low etc etc.

Look at the bloody history of Europe and I mean that literally. The whole continent has been at war with itself for hundreds of years and we are now in arguably the most peaceful, stable period in European history and you people are making out it's like terrible.

We have never had it better.

Yeah, by your reasoning, because we are not dealing with WW1 or WW2, we are therefore lucky to only have to deal with the current set up where EU capitals have to now operate under what is not far shy of martial law. It's this toleration of this madness that has the EU in the mess that it is now in! I'm not prepared to tolerate a single further reduction in my quality of life to accommodate this warped idealogy we call "multiculturism"! I'm no longer prepared to tolerate the pushing back of my basic personal freedoms in society to the point where I'm being told now that I can't wear a backpack in a crowded public place.

wonderfullife · 17-08-2017 08:17PM

gitzy16v wrote: »

Maybe if the neo-nazi's start killing people by the dozen in Europe every couple of months you might get the equality of outrage you are looking for.

Besides the point...that terrorist attack in the US was after a protest and counter protest where you have to admit tensions were high...whereas all these Islamic terrorist attacks are targeting civilians going about their daily lives with no beef against anybody else...Just my thoughts on why the reaction to both attacks are different

Charlottsville terrorist targeted innocent civilians going about their lives doing the right thing - which is standing up to hatred.

You people are incredible. Sickens me.

Nobody was putting the blame for Charlottsville on christianity or white America, despite the fact the core ideology of the perpetrator was that he didn't want Jews, Muslims, nig*ers to "replace them". But hey ho let's just blame Islam carte blanche when nutters do it on their end.

This thread (and forum) is a cesspit of thinly veiled white nationalism and xenophobia and I hope to God you people realise if you or a loved one has a medical emergency there's a good chance you'll be treated or have your life saved by a Muslim doctor or surgeon in A & E.

I'm off this thread goodbye.

Nervous Wreck · 17-08-2017 08:18PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

What genius suggested you as a moderator of anything incidentally? You're the most condescending "know-it-all" who knows nothing.

Wonderfullife, don't post in this thread again.

Edit: Perfect.

wonderfullife wrote: »

I'm off this thread goodbye.

BillyBobBS · 17-08-2017 08:18PM

Police now have 2 terrorists in custody and one reported dead in the van. Looking likely this was an organised cell. The other van indicates to me either someone else chickened out or possibly the other guy is custody could of being possibly at the site of the van.

murpho999 · 17-08-2017 08:21PM

gitzy16v wrote: »

You keep coming back to this!
Why is it wrong to suggest Islam is promoting these attacks?
Its certainly wrong to suggest all followers of Islam promote these attacks but there is plenty of parts of Islam that do promote the supremacy of the ideology.

Promoting the supremacy of a religion's ideology does not mean they support terrorism.

Danzy · 17-08-2017 08:21PM

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You have always been very subtle about your Xenophobia but it still shines through, no matter how much you deflect and hide that.

_Kaiser_ · 17-08-2017 08:22PM

First and foremost, my sympathy tonight is with the victims and their loved ones.

These attacks will continue until the ordinary citizens start DEMANDING a response from their elected officials that isn't just meaningless soundbites. Borders need to be controlled, and illegal migrants sent back where they came from - not chauffeured by navies and landed in countries that are wholly incompatible with their ideologies.

As I have said plenty of times before on this forum, there are any number of ways by which non-Europeans can enter the EU legitimately, and these people should only be allowed access if they successfully pass those checks/requirements. It is not our job to accept thousands of these migrants just because they want a better life - no matter what people like Zappone and Fitzgerald may think

Immigration should be a key issue for the next election in this country, and people should be sure to ask the FF/FG/SF/whatever politicians who turn up at the door what their and their party's stance is on it, because make no mistake folks, what we're seeing in Spain and France and the UK (and elsewhere) WILL happen here sooner or later unless we start taking steps to not only prepare for it, but limit our potential exposure as much as we can.

Somedude9 · 17-08-2017 08:22PM

Removable security bollards need to be installed as a matter of urgency at the entrances to Grafton and Henry street. As they most certainly should've been at Las Ramblas. It beggars belief they weren't.

end of the road · 17-08-2017 08:23PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

It's not us deepening that divide, it is Muslims all over Europe who are doing this, either by turning a blind eye to what is going on in Muslim communities, ostracizing themselves into ghetto sh*t holes in places like Belgium and France, accepting far too readily the ideology of ISIS propaganda in Mosques being preached by batsh*t crazy Imams who seem to get away with FAR more than any Christian minister would.

the extremists may be deepening the divide, but so are the racists and extremists in our communities who are just as much to blame.

A Little Pony wrote: »

They bring the hostile reaction upon themselves because it is coming from that community and these incidents are nearly ALWAYS from people from that community throughout Europe, not just the UK.

They do not bring the hostile reaction upon themselves, that is victim blaming. it is the extremists on our side using excuses for their own agenda and blaming everyone else for it.

A Little Pony wrote: »

Stop blaming us for this, this is a problem they have, they can't seem to accept that we reject religious bollocks in most forms now, we aren't interested in Islam, we don't want it changing our laws by replacing it with barbaric form of law such as Sharia.

no lets not stop blaming the extremists within our communities who use brown skin as a reason to have a go at innocent people. muslims aren't changing our laws.

Richard Hillman · 17-08-2017 08:23PM

The vast majority of religions are liberalising. There is one that is regressing. It has radically regressed in so many countries in the world and it's supremacist nature is taking hold closer to home every single day. This is the great war of our time.

Radical Islam is our enemy. People who practice it are our enemy. People who defend and apologise for it are our enemy.

gitzy16v · 17-08-2017 08:23PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Promoting the supremacy of a religion's ideology does not mean they support terrorism.

Killing non believers does...spreading Islam by the sword does...No need for me to spell it out,you know quite well how Islam gains supremacy.

ceadaoin. · 17-08-2017 08:26PM

Wow, the derailment attempts get more outlandish each time. What a ****show that was

ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

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