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2018 Leaf

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭denismc


    Some new images of the Leaf spied without the camo,
    It looks pretty good compared to he original.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭minikin


    Looks nice and big but I don't like the big yoke on the roof.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,298 ✭✭✭KCross


    Nissan are singing about the aerodynamics of the new Leaf
    https://twitter.com/NissanEV_UK/status/893111060638687232

    No figures of course.
    Hopefully their marketing department and their designers are on the same planet!

    And they sign off with "Nissan Leaf. Simply amazing". They are not holding back. I hope they live up to it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,492 ✭✭✭Wheety


    denismc wrote: »
    Some new images of the Leaf spied without the camo,
    It looks pretty good compared to he original.
    2018-Nissan-Leaf-Leak.jpg

    Dash cams are getting bigger.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,665 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    160 miles is not amazing.

    Looks improved looks wise, but they'll need a hell of an aerodynamic improvement to compete with the Ioniq.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭Soarer


    KCross wrote: »
    Nissan are singing about the aerodynamics of the new Leaf
    https://twitter.com/NissanEV_UK/status/893111060638687232

    No figures of course.
    Hopefully their marketing department and their designers are on the same planet!

    And they sign off with "Nissan Leaf. Simply amazing". They are not holding back. I hope they live up to it!

    They're certainly talking the talk.

    They'd hardly be so stupid to do that, and then fall flat on their faces come launch time? I mean, if the figures don't add up, surely they'd be keeping their head down?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭denismc


    minikin wrote: »
    Looks nice and big but I don't like the big yoke on the roof.
    It comes with a free selfie stick so smug EV drivers can post pictures of themselves on the internet.:D


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    160 miles is not amazing.

    Looks improved looks wise, but they'll need a hell of an aerodynamic improvement to compete with the Ioniq.

    We're not sure yet whether the range caught on the GOM was after a motorway sprint so it could possibly have a bit more, however 250 Kms would be a lot more than I have now. I just hope it charges a lot faster than 45 Kw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,581 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    KCross wrote: »
    Nissan are singing about the aerodynamics of the new Leaf
    https://twitter.com/NissanEV_UK/status/893111060638687232

    No figures of course.

    Very interesting. Surely they would not have done it if they knew the Leaf 2 was still a million miles behind Tesla Model S (0.24), Hyundai Ioniq (0.24) and Tesla Model 3 (0.23)?

    If they've even managed 0.25 I'd be impressed. Somehow I don't think it's quite there although that's hard to see from a vague shot and without having the results from the wind tunnel :p

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,298 ✭✭✭KCross


    unkel wrote: »
    Very interesting. Surely they would not have done it if they knew the Leaf 2 was still a million miles behind Tesla Model S (0.24), Hyundai Ioniq (0.24) and Tesla Model 3 (0.23)?

    If they've even managed 0.25 I'd be impressed. Somehow I don't think it's quite there although that's hard to see from a vague shot and without having the results from the wind tunnel :p

    What are the figures for the new Micra?

    I bet they are very similar to that, which won't be close to 0.24.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Autoexpress.co.uk


    New Nissan Leaf teased again ahead of September reveal

    Nissan says efficient aero package will give the electric Leaf a range boost when it launches next month

    The new Nissan Leaf has been teased ahead of its official debut at next month's Frankfurt Motor Show, with the Japanese manufacturer promising to reveal a more efficient aerodynamic design to boost the electric car's range.

    Nissan says that the aero package will allow the Leaf to travel further on a single charge, and also claims that other design features will make it more stable at high speed and less vulnerably to strong crosswinds.

    The new Leaf was recently spied uncloaked and in the metal by Norway TV 2’s Broom, with a handful of grainy images giving clues about the new car’s styling. It wasn't the clearest look, but the front end of the car snapped below matches up nicely with our previous spy shots of the new Leaf, confirming a sharper face inspired by the latest Micra.

    A more muscular shoulder line gives the new car greater presence, while the black roof contrasts against the white paint finish. The pictures tell us little more than we already know through spy shots, but the wait to see the car up close and uncloaked is almost over – the new Leaf’s reveal is set to take place on 6 September.

    Nissan has released a series of teasers ahead of the car's debut, the latest detailing the new e-Pedal feature. The e-Pedal can be toggled on and off via a switch near the drive selector, and when switched on, Nissan says that the accelerator becomes the only pedal the driver requires for 90 per cent of their driving needs.

    Many electric cars can already be driven with one pedal if the driver anticipates the road ahead, thanks to strong regenerative braking forces. Nissan’s e-Pedal system, however, is designed to take over braking roles in most situations, and means that the car automatically slows down the moment the driver takes their foot off the accelerator, all the way to a complete halt and strong enough to hold the car on a hill.

    Drivers will still need to hit their anchors themselves in sudden braking situations, but for the most part it should be possible to trundle around town using just one pedal. Switch the system off and the car’s pedals behave as normal.

    The e-Pedal reveal comes after confirmation that the second-generation Leaf will feature new semi-autonomous driving functions included a new automated parking system as part of the Japanese brand's ProPILOT tech.

    Nissan’s ProPILOT suite of assists and semi-autonomous will enable the Leaf to drive itself on highways and motorways. At the push of a button the new Leaf will drive itself in a single lane, controlling the steering, acceleration and braking to assist the driver.

    It’s the latest step in Nissan’s goal to develop autonomous vehicles. The firm promises that in the coming years the technology will offer increasing levels of autonomy, with autonomous driving in urban environment targeted as the next big step.

    The teaser image released with the information shows us the new digital instrument display heading the way of the 2018 Leaf, but this isn’t our first look in the cabin thanks to a brand new batch of spy shots, capturing the new Leaf undergoing assessment by engineers in the United States.

    The next-generation Nissan Leaf has already been spied testing in the United States, the pictures serving up our best look yet at Nissan’s smarter looking new electric car.

    The Leaf’s rounded face has been replaced with a sharper front end, more in tune with Nissan’s conventional design language. The overall form factor of the car remains the same though, so from the side it retains its tall-roofed hatchback profile.

    Our spy photographers were able to get a glimpse in the cabin too, revealing the new switchgear, dashboard and infotainment heading the way of the 2018 Leaf. A full reveal is expected at the Tokyo Motor Show later this year.

    Nissan has started its launch campaign for the next-generation Leaf, ahead of an expected reveal at this year's Tokyo Motor Show. The electric family hatch is set to follow the design direction of the new Micra, and will receive a range increase over today's model.

    It’s clear that the new Leaf will be influenced by the firm’s 2015 IDS concept, and will employ the design direction of the new Micra. Fewer clues are found around the back, but it is clear that new horizontal taillights are planned.

    “We will have a full model change of Leaf before the end of this decade,” Shiro Nakamura, Senior Vice President, and Chief Creative Officer at Nissan, revealed exclusively to Auto Express last year. “We are ready to increase the range, 250km is not the maximum.

    “We want to make Leaf the major player in the EV market. We will have updates to the design, and we will be updating the batteries. We want to expand the possibilities as much as we can.”

    Matching the 500km range, which manufacturers such as Tesla and Audi have demonstrated, is also ‘not a technical problem, its cost,’ senior figures at Nissan also confirmed. A reduction in cost and increase in battery density will coincide with the arrival of the new Leaf, meaning a 300-mile range is not out of the question.

    It’s likely Nissan will make a range of battery options available to buyers to help minimize the overall starting price of the model range, too.

    Nissan will also look to give the Leaf a more conventional look to help broaden its appeal: “For styling, how can I say, we make it look a little bit more mainstream, because we want to grow the number,” Nakamura told us. “It will be the same package, we don’t want to change the hatchback.

    “While we improve the Leaf, at the same time the charging infrastructure is improving. In a coupe of years the advantage of an EV will be much better than today.”

    Nissan may have more electric family cars in the pipeline. Last year we reported that the firm could look to introducing a new electric supermini to rival the Renault Zoe in the near future.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,581 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    KCross wrote: »
    What are the figures for the new Micra?

    I bet they are very similar to that, which won't be close to 0.24.

    0.29, which is pretty decent in its class. With its bigger size and some further improvements, Leaf 2 could shave a few points off that. There's hoping!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,115 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I think those shots make it look almost like a copy and paste of the pulsar


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,417 ✭✭✭positron


    Looks alright I think. Especially the rear half. Front is a tiny bit meh but not bad at all. Ioniq isn't exactly a looker either tbh.

    Can't wait to see full details, boot space etc. Ioniq excells in useable space and how much it can carry with rear seats folded. Fingers crossed Nissan has a response.


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm keen to find out the charging power on DC. 250 Kms is more bearable with faster charging.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 940 ✭✭✭thierry14


    I'm keen to find out the charging power on DC. 250 Kms is more bearable with faster charging.

    I could live with 250km, I just hope they don't put a weak ass 100bhp drivetrain in there again

    Totally out then

    I'll be driving a Leaf II and then a year or 2 later a model 3 passes me and nearly blows me off the road with its power

    The game has moved on with Tesla, other manufacturers have to put proper drivetrains in now

    Only BMW with the I3 have anything remotely close

    40kwh, 150bhp Leaf II is the minimum for me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,890 ✭✭✭grogi


    thierry14 wrote: »
    I could live with 250km, I just hope they don't put a weak ass 100bhp drivetrain in there again

    Have you actually driven one?!


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Leaf isn't fast but it's not slow, it has good low end power but lacks at the mid and top, this is where the I3 really makes a difference.

    Leaf as 108 HP and I believe they're raising it to 120 Hp, not going to make a big difference unless they have the power spread out better so that it's not all down at lower speeds.

    I3 was great for over taking, a lot of fun.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 ✭✭sgalvin


    100-120 hp 75-90kw is adequate for C segment family motoring, it's been in that ball park for years. As engine performance has improved, mainstream and popular versions engines in family cars haven't gotten any more powerful, engines have gotten smaller. Exclude 1.4 petrols and 1.5/1.6 diesels and see what new cars are left.

    200 kph and reasonable performance joining the motorway is what people are willing to pay for.
    There are staggeringly powerful of family cars but they are limited market items.

    I don't think the leaf is "weak" at mid/top end, it's just so strong from a standstill

    Leaf isn't fast but it's not slow, it has good low end power but lacks at the mid and top, this is where the I3 really makes a difference.

    Leaf as 108 HP and I believe they're raising it to 120 Hp, not going to make a big difference unless they have the power spread out better so that it's not all down at lower speeds.

    I3 was great for over taking, a lot of fun.


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nissan should improve the power band so not as much is available low down which has to be limited on take off anyway, and more at the mid and top end. But I suspect Nissan designed it that way thinking the leaf would spend most of it's life in the city.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 940 ✭✭✭thierry14


    grogi wrote: »
    Have you actually driven one?!

    I have

    Even had colleague rolling start it against my diesel Fabia @ 50kmh to see what's it like, as it does feel nippy, but that's just a feeling

    Pretty decent initial acceleration from 50kmh - 70kmh, after that it was left for dead. not even remotely comparable

    I3 would be a different story, was a passenger in one, don't think my Fabia would keep up with it from a roll, very impressive

    My reason for wanting Leaf II with more power

    I3 level power should be minimum for Leaf II, make it desirable Nissan


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Our 2008 cee'd diesel 115 hp definitely feels faster on the motorway helped by the gearbox of course.

    The key difference is "on the motorway", while revs and turbo are at peak torque, the rest of the time it feels like it's got half the power of the leaf, then the Awful lag and gear changes, very frustrating actually.

    The I3 power band is a lot better and it's a lot faster at higher speeds and it's lighter.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,428 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    thierry14 wrote: »
    I have

    Even had colleague rolling start it against my diesel Fabia @ 50kmh to see what's it like, as it does feel nippy, but that's just a feeling

    Pretty decent initial acceleration from 50kmh - 70kmh, after that it was left for dead. not even remotely comparable

    I3 would be a different story, was a passenger in one, don't think my Fabia would keep up with it from a roll, very impressive

    My reason for wanting Leaf II with more power

    I3 level power should be minimum for Leaf II, make it desirable Nissan

    In fairness, your Fabia is remapped and modified (like mine was) so it's not a 100% fair comparison but I do get your point. The Leaf is perfect for surprising people off the line if you need to quickly cut in or change lane. But once you get up to normal speeds, most cars will be faster alright.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Lads, it's a 4 door family hatchback. Come on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 940 ✭✭✭thierry14


    Soarer wrote: »
    Lads, it's a 4 door family hatchback. Come on.

    I know that's true

    It's so easy to make EV's quick

    It's not like ICE where they take loads extra fuel

    You have Tesla's quicker than Ferraris and only a tiny little bit less efficient than a Leaf.

    Chevy made the bolt with 200bhp and it's a little 4 door hatchback


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 940 ✭✭✭thierry14


    kceire wrote: »
    In fairness, your Fabia is remapped and modified (like mine was) so it's not a 100% fair comparison but I do get your point. The Leaf is perfect for surprising people off the line if you need to quickly cut in or change lane. But once you get up to normal speeds, most cars will be faster alright.

    Agree

    Its a great little car the Leaf and for that first second or two it does catch alot quicker cars out, especially at lower speeds

    I just think game has moved on with Tesla ( who don't make slow cars)

    Nissan could easily put 150-200bhp motor in there and it wouldnt cost them anything.

    It's comes across as compliance car stuff to me compared to Tesla who have scared the hell out autogiants

    Leaf isn't even that bad

    Zoe II has like 75bhp in a 1500kg body, no need at all for it

    They could have put 200bhp in one and I would be trading my Fabia in tomorrow 😉


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 ✭✭sgalvin


    There's not a huge cost premium for higher power versions of the same car engine.

    Renault 1.5 diesel is available in 5/6 power outputs which is in the majority a different software map which is already developed. So there is no marginal cost to offer higher power outputs. Lower power versions are for insurance and sales reasons. Get them into the car and try to upsell.

    Higher power versions increase profit on the sale.
    In general the majority of people won't pay for more power.

    There is a 205 bhp Megane that is only a few thousand more than a similar spec 110bhp diesel. Have you seen one on the road not owned by a dealer?

    Image the phone call. I'd like to add my 17 year old onto my 200bhp car insurance......


    thierry14 wrote: »
    I know that's true

    It's so easy to make EV's quick

    It's not like ICE where they take loads extra fuel

    You have Tesla's quicker than Ferraris and only a tiny little bit less efficient than a Leaf.

    Chevy made the bolt with 200bhp and it's a little 4 door hatchback


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,890 ✭✭✭grogi


    Soarer wrote: »
    Lads, it's a 4 door family hatchback. Come on.

    There is nothing that prevents 5 door family hatchback from being nippy.

    A regular looking Astra 1.6T (of course not available in Ireland) brings ~200bhp and 0-100 kmh in 6.6s.

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    That does not change my perception of Leaf - it is extremely enjoyable to drive in urban environment. It lacks power on the motorway - a torque multiplier (a gearbox) would help a bit, but would make the car heavier and more complex.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,428 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Anyone see this on FB?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,581 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    That's a render. If only the actual car would look that good from the front!

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