2018 Leaf

sgalvin

That the 1.6T is not imported is proof that there is small demand for a 200bhp C segment car.

There are ~500 Vauxhall Astra Turbo 200s on the roads of the uk on howmanyleft.co.uk

That's a much bigger market market and not a lot of sales to merit a Right Hand Drive version development and marketing and sales and service training.

grogi wrote: »

There is nothing that prevents 5 door family hatchback from being nippy.

A regular looking Astra 1.6T (of course not available in Ireland) brings ~200bhp and 0-100 kmh in 6.6s.



That does not change my perception of Leaf - it is extremely enjoyable to drive in urban environment. It lacks power on the motorway - a torque multiplier (a gearbox) would help a bit, but would make the car heavier and more complex.

Soarer

unkel wrote: »

That's a render. If only the actual car would look that good from the front!

It might be a render, but it's fairly exact to the spy shot from last week.

https://electrek.co/2017/07/31/next-gen-nissan-leaf-design-revealed/#jp-carousel-49028

So maybe it does look that good from the front?!

grogi

Soarer wrote: »

It might be a render, but it's fairly exact to the spy shot from last week.

https://electrek.co/2017/07/31/next-gen-nissan-leaf-design-revealed/#jp-carousel-49028

So maybe it does look that good from the front?!

It is a very good one. It would seem the teaser are all taken into account...

unkel

Looks are of course subjective, but I feel the new Leaf is much better looking than the old one. If Nissan can get their pricing right (base model on the road for not too far north of €25k) and there is availability, they should be onto a winner. And unlike others on here, I wouldn't be too concerned about its aerodynamics, its power or its efficiency. As long as the real life / EPA (incl motorway) range is over 250km, which by all means it sure will be.

Summary: for €25k it's a winner!

thierry14

unkel wrote: »

Looks are of course subjective, but I feel the new Leaf is much better looking than the old one. If Nissan can get their pricing right (base model on the road for not too far north of €25k) and there is availability, they should be onto a winner. And unlike others on here, I wouldn't be too concerned about its aerodynamics, its power or its efficiency. As long as the real life / EPA (incl motorway) range is over 250km, which by all means it sure will be.

Summary: for €25k it's a winner!

If it could do this too would be great.

I don't ask for much 😉

https://youtu.be/g6S68MYcmck

KCross

From UK forum
http://www.autofilou.at/2017/08/so-kommt-der-neue-nissan-leaf.html?m=1

thierry14

KCross wrote: »

From UK forum
http://www.autofilou.at/2017/08/so-kommt-der-neue-nissan-leaf.html?m=1

Lovely

Will take back everyting I said about the Leaf if they can get that on the road here for 25k and 40Kwh

Looks alot like the pulsar

ted1

A 7 seater option would be a real game changing and ideal for school runs

NIMAN

I love the term "spy shots".

I always get the image of a 007 character sneaking around with a camera, risking life and limb to get a photo of the latest car.

Soarer

That looks really, really nice. Tinted rear windows and wind deflectors, and she's done.
So that's looks covered. Just need to find out the specs, and as long as Nissan are still offering scrappage in January, I reckon I'll purchase.

Also, I'm no efficiency guru, and going by the spy shots, it's hard to tell. But why wouldn't they fill in the front grille like the Ioniq? I know it mightn't look great, but surely it'd boost the aerodynamics?

The way it's going, might be a lot of humble pie being eaten around here!

grogi

Soarer wrote: »

That looks really, really nice. Tinted rear windows and wind deflectors, and she's done.
So that's looks covered. Just need to find out the specs, and as long as Nissan are still offering scrappage in January, I reckon I'll purchase.

Also, I'm no efficiency guru, and going by the spy shots, it's hard to tell. But why wouldn't they fill in the front grille like the Ioniq? I know it mightn't look great, but surely it'd boost the aerodynamics?

The way it's going, might be a lot of humble pie being eaten around here!

The Cx might be influenced by minor details like the shape of mirrors... Impossible to tell by the pictures alone

Soarer

The blurry rear end picture kinda reminds me of a DS4 or something.

Real world 230kms+, proper fast charging, and on the road for €25k, and they'll drive themselves out of the showroom!
And probably park themselves too thanks to the ProPilot thing!

ELM327

Hopefully they are at least 100kW capable. 50kW is getting to be old hat, and in 1-2 years time will be starting to be deprecated. IMO.

KCross

It looks very like the new Ford Focus to me.

ewj1978

Basically an Ev pulsar.

Shefwedfan

Soarer wrote: »

The blurry rear end picture kinda reminds me of a DS4 or something.

Real world 230kms+, proper fast charging, and on the road for €25k, and they'll drive themselves out of the showroom!
And probably park themselves too thanks to the ProPilot thing!

A car that parks itself if old news :P everyone can do that

I would be looking for a bit more after all the press it is getting

stesaurus

http://pushevs.com/2017/08/07/2018-nissan-leaf-first-glimpse-specs-prices/

So the configurator is up and in the wild. 40kWh and 147bhp, prices look in line with current models.
I think we have a new leader in terms of overall package

ELM327

If it starts at 29k USD, what do we reckon the MSRP is going to be here?
€35? Very expensive if so.

I don't consider any of the offered specs to be much better than a Zoe/Ioniq. I think a 40kWh is going to be old hat shortly and unless it has >=100kW charging capability this is not a groundbreaking EV. I'd prefer an Ioniq.

As a current Leaf owner there is nothing in the new leaf that would make me want to get one. So far.

thelikelylad

ELM327 wrote: »

I don't consider any of the offered specs to be much better than a Zoe/Ioniq. I think a 40kWh is going to be old hat shortly and unless it has >=100kW charging capability this is not a groundbreaking EV. I'd prefer an Ioniq.

Totally agree, charging speed will be very important. CHAdeMO tops out at 62.5kW in it's current form right?

Nice to see the bump up to 150bhp though.

unkel

Have to reserve judgment, pending pricing here in Ireland and range / aerodynamics and it's unfortunate it's the now obsolete chademo charging, but it looks decent and should have nice &quick acceleration Hope the speed limiter is set a bit higher than 144km/h this time...

KCross

unkel wrote: »

...and it's unfortunate it's the now obsolete chademo charging...

It's not really obsolete, just not the European standard.

And you are significantly better off in this country with Chademo due to lack of CCS. Increased charge speeds are coming with Chademo as well.

KCross

stesaurus wrote: »

http://pushevs.com/2017/08/07/2018-nissan-leaf-first-glimpse-specs-prices/

So the configurator is up and in the wild. 40kWh and 147bhp, prices look in line with current models.
I think we have a new leader in terms of overall package

What's a "hybrid traction battery" when it's out!?

The power bump is welcome however it seems a good bit heavier so maybe it won't seem as fast as we'd expect?

ChaDeMo is far from Obsolete, ChaDeMo II is 350 Kw capable.

I'd really be hoping for much faster charging, if efficiency is good then on 40 Kwh with about 38 usable should get over 250 kms and probably hit close to 300 Kms at 80-100 Kph.

Hyundai will install a larger battery probably for 2019 and Nissan will most likely have an upgrade then too.

147 is interesting should give useful extra power , I just hope they have the power spread out better at the mid and top.

grogi

Deleted User wrote: »

147 is interesting should give useful extra power , I just hope they have the power spread out better at the mid and top.

It was mentioned numerous times - electric motor has a constant torque.

Thus the available power is proportional to velocity.

Yes the motor may have but the motor controller can and does manipulate how the power is transferred. Add more current and you get more torque add more voltage and you get more speed but the motor windings and gearing also play a part.

grogi

$30k represents retail price of €36k. With incentives €26.4k here (without VRT and further 5k incentive). Top it up with delivery and we end up with €27k.

unkel

grogi wrote: »

$30k represents retail price of €36k.

Calculation for that?

grogi

unkel wrote: »

Calculation for that?

RRP €36,002.07
OMSP €33,121.90
VRT €4,637.07
VAT €5,865.00
Net €25,500.00

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10YkZNuJS6aNfSk40WLCcgueU9aEbCpgBWZIjoTLJgeQ/edit?usp=sharing

I would calculate like this, US price to Euro's. + VRT + VAT - 5 K grant and 5 K R relief = doesn't look cheap not for the top spec anyway.

grogi

Deleted User wrote: »

I would calculate like this, US price to Euro's. + VRT + VAT - 5 K grant and 5 K R relief = doesn't look cheap.

VAT is calculated on the price before the VRT:

Accordingly, the VAT liability on the sale of a new vehicle by an authorised motor dealer is generally calculated on the VRT-exclusive amount received from the customer.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax-professionals/tdm/value-added-tax/part03-taxable-transactions-goods-ica-services/Goods/goods-transactions-motor-vehicles.pdf