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Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**
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I actually remember that boxing match. Butterbean was some lad.DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »I actually watched a doc with Bart Gunn recently.
Gunn was a pro wrestler with a shoot background. More than that he was tough Texan bastard
In 1998 WWF ran a shoot competition called The Brawl 4 All. It was a mixture of boxing and Amateur wrestling.
All the fights were shoot. Dan Severn competed in it.
Bart Gunn won out this competition and was rewarded with a legit boxing match at their biggest show of the year Wrestlemania.
He Boxed a Pro in Butterbean.:D
This is what happened.
He stated afterwards that you should never play another persons game.
If this fight coming up is the real deal Conor will be put on his arse.
I understand the point you are making, but there's an obviously flaw. Pro-wrestling is a fairly unique skillset, it's probably not easy. But I doubt any of it is applicable to a real fighting. Somebody had to win the thing doesn't mean he's actually a bad ass. Afaik the tough Texan schtick was just a gimmick.
I'd have backed Dan Severn to beat anyone one the roster in a fight.0 -
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Floyd via DQOutlaw Pete wrote: »Why would I do that when I don't think it? I hope it, sure, but like I have been saying here for almost two months now..... I only give McGregor a slim chance of winning in the early rounds and believe he will get schooled from that point on if the fight gets that far. Sorry if that's not good enough for you all,
No, that's fine Pete... you are fully in the Mayweather camp for this one. Got it!!
No problem at all... wise man. I fully agree with your opinion that Mayweather wins this fight.
wonderfullife wrote: »It's that he won't be playing the same game. The rest of them were playing chess against a chess grandmaster. Conor is going to try make it checkers. Same board, different game.
In real terms, that means he'll be fighting closer to kicking range in a karate stance with a wide guard, hands held low, and throwing attacks in Floyd's direction from distances that boxers have never thrown from. If Floyd shuts that down and laughs at him, then fair enough I'll report back here to acknowledge I was deluded.
They'll both be playing the same game... with the same rules.
If you give Floyd space to operate in... you are literally fcuked.wonderfullife wrote: »Conor is attempting something very similar. He's being laughed at and mocked and like Fosbury he may not have immediate success. He may lose to Floyd. But there's always the chance he wins and people re-assess concepts like range , stance and distance.
Boxing has been constantly evolving for a century and in 100 years from now people will look back at Floyd and think 'wow, they boxed in such a primitive way back then'.
You seem to have a very low opinion of the sport of boxing... that's the impression I get from a lot of your posts. Like it's some neanderthal way of fighting... and someone clever needs to come along, who can innovate and drag it into the 21st century! lol
For someone who claims to have been watching it for a long time, you also appear to be severely lacking when it comes to the history of the sport. There have been many innovative and intelligent minds, that have turned their brain power towards the sport...
And don't you think Conor should try revolutionizing his own sport, before attempting to do it in a relatively alien sport such as boxing!? (He's not exactly re-inventing the wheel in MMA - as good a fighter as he obviously is)wonderfullife wrote: »Maybe but the converse is true too.
If the distance is greater then Floyd has to cover more distance to land punches too and leaves himself vulnerable to counters, especially because launching attacks from that far back is not something he has even had to do in fights before.
I know he's sparring with Kevin Lee (mixed martial artist) and Kevin will probably give Floyd that look in sparring but other than those rounds, he won't have much experience of attacking a guy standing at kicking range.
When Conor attempts to land a punch, he will be in plenty good range for Floyd to land... it won't take him very long to figure out when/where those punches are coming from.
The only thing more distance, and a wider stance, will do on a boxing ring... is give Floyd more time to see the punches coming.
Conor will not get the same time to set up his shots, like he does in MMA... Floyd will likely be in another postcode by that time, if he comes in fighting MMA style!! :pac::pac:wonderfullife wrote: »If Conor lands a left hand from an attack he started in a karate stance at kicking range, flattens Floyd and walks away with his $100 million, of course it's only human nature that other boxers coming up will re-evaluate the consensus ideas on range, stance and distance.
Whether in life or in sport, if you're not willing to open your mind to the possibility there might be better ways of doing things, nothing would ever change.
You don't sound too confident here... just a whole bunch of hope and wishful thinking!!
I thought you said, you know Conor is going to win?? You really don't sound like a guy, who "knows Conor will win"... you just sound like you desperately HOPE he will win... so you can stick the 2 fingers up to the boxing world. Who you seem to view, as backward thinking and non-innovative. (which is total BS btw)wonderfullife wrote: »The onus is on who to attack?
Floyd is supposed to be the best boxer of his generation. If Conor is standing at kicking range not doing a lot and the crowd starts booing, it'll be because Floyd was expected to be the one teaching the novice a lesson.
He can't just sit there and expect Conor to always attack, he'll have to launch his own blitzes.
Floyd is a master of making other guys miss... he will suck Conor in... and Conor won't even see it happening.
Conor is the one that will be in a big rush during the early rounds... did you forget that??
So he won't really have much option, other than to force the pace... and Floyd will know this... He will know that Conor's gas tank is very small... so he will wait, and he will patiently take him apart piece-by-piece, if necessary!!wonderfullife wrote: »I'd be shocked, surprised, disappointed and embarrassed if Conor gets in there and tries to stand in a traditional southpaw stance with a high guard and pretends to be a boxer.
Conor is a huge boxing fan... always has been.
You could argue, that boxing was his main inspiration as a fighter. (MMA came later, and he was actually somewhat reluctant to fully embrace stuff like BJJ & wrestling for quite a while into his MMA career)
He might very well be looking forward to testing his boxing skills, against a fighter like Floyd, that he probably admires a great deal.In my opinion the only hope McGregor (not a boxer) has against Mayweather (excellent boxer) is to use Ali's "rope a dope" for as many rounds as it takes for Floyd to burn himself out > Then McGregor (still fresh) let's rip...
McGregor cannot mix it with Maywether or he will be destroyed within just a few rounds, so the only option is to either cover up 'rope s dope style' until the storm passes, or keep away & dance, out of range and out of reach.
Holy sweet burning baby jesus.... lol
Is this where the tread is going..?? Seriously!?
What atheletic attributes do you think olympic wreslters are missing?
Most of the attributes they don't need or use much as a top wrestler.... :rolleyes:
Like boxing for example... top wrestlers would be fooked if you asked them to go several rounds in a high-paced boxing match, throwing a tonne of punches and getting around a boxing ring requiring lots of cardio and speed.
Their bodies are just not conditioned well for that kind of punishment. (a boxer would be equally fooked, if asked to grapple with a top wrestler for any decent period of time)
It's common sense really... if only that was more common around these parts!! 0 -
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Floyd via DQSweet Science wrote: »I really have my doubts aswel . However no matter how much it sells we will be told it has broke the ppv record . too much invested in it
I sincerely hope not got 5/1 on PP for it not to break the record 0 -
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Floyd via DQBecause wrestlers can't box they aren't athletic :pac: :pac: LMFAO You aren't serious I hope?
Wind your neck in there Mellor! I'm not attacking wrestling... or wrestlers!
My answer regarding wrestlers, was specifically in respect to fighting. (stand-up fighting in particular)
They are lacking in most other areas of athleticism, other than the very narrow set of physical attributes required for their sport...
While their physical capabilities are impressive within their sport... those physical attributes don't really give them much benefits in something like boxing or say a 5 round stand-up war in MMA, for example!
In fact, imo, wrestling-specific conditioning will make you less effective in a stand-up fight in MMA... it's completely the wrong type of conditioning, for that type of fighting. Many people don't really understand this... there are many people, that think all hard training will lead you to be a better athlete, and hence a better MMA fighter.... but this not really true!
The type of conditioning you do is very important, for your chosen sport. And the % of time you dedicate to certain aspects, will be crucial to the type of athletic attributes you build. If you spend the majority of your training hours on the mat, practicing wrestling... you will have mostly wrestling-specific conditioning... and your conditioning for stand-up fighting will naturally suffer!
^^ You can see many examples of this within MMA fights. But like I said, many people don't understand this, so they don't see it.
I actually think this is where there are big challenges in the future of MMA conditioning. Right now, MMA training is very random and can vary greatly from gym to gym...
It's not just about building skills... you can work on your striking skills, for example, but if your conditioning for stand-up is poor... then your ability to fight well on your feet will not be very good. But still, there are plenty of people out there, who think time spent on the mat will add to your overall conditioning with regard to fighting (it really won't).
There is little or no crossover, between the physical conditioning requirements for wrestling, and those required for boxing or stand-up fighting in MMA.
So, when I talk about wrestlers lacking athleticism... I am obviously not talking about the sport of wrestling. (or ground fighting, for that matter) I am talking about fighting... stand-up fighting specifically!0
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