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Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs MayweatherMOD Warning in 1st Post

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So, this is looking more likely to be on the cards sooner rather than later...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/38591420

Any opinion on who would win this potential fight?

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Naos

walshb wrote: »

You don't learn boxing, at least not completely. It's probably the most unique sport on earth in terms of variables and permutations and unknowns...

Ah now, do you honestly believe that there are more variables, permutations and unknowns in boxing compared to MMA?

ThinkProgress wrote: »

I don't really view top wrestlers, or martial arts champs, as being great athletes... they tend to be lacking in terms of all-round athleticism. You can see this in the UFC... athletic attributes often come second to skill development in those disciplines!

What atheletic attributes do you think olympic wreslters are missing?

Sweet Science wrote: »

This isnt going to go down well with certain folk . A pro boxer has a better chance in a MMA fight than vice versa.

Truth is, there are many, many more ways to lose in MMA than there are in boxing. I don't really understand how you cannot see that adding new elements such as kicks, knees and takedowns change things up.

Even in a clinch - if it gets to a clinch, a boxer holds on. In MMA, there will be knees, trips, spinning elbows etc.

walshb

LordSutch wrote: »

In my opinion the only hope McGregor (not a boxer) has against Mayweather (excellent boxer) is to use Ali's "rope a dope" for as many rounds as it takes for Floyd to burn himself out > Then McGregor (still fresh) let's rip...

McGregor cannot mix it with Maywether or he will be destroyed within just a few rounds, so the only option is to either cover up 'rope s dope style' until the storm passes, or keep away & dance, out of range and out of reach.

I love it...

Rope a dope Mayweather...

If only this were a movie, or a dream.

walshb

Naos wrote: »

Ah now, do you honestly believe that there are more variables, permutations and unknowns in boxing compared to MMA?
.

Just as much in MMA...

Anyway, I didn't compare them.

For me boxing is the most demanding and physically intimate test in all sports..

Naos

walshb wrote: »

Just as much in MMA...

Anyway, I didn't cover mate then

For me boxing is the most demanding and physically intimate test in all sports..

How exactly are there more variables, permuations and unknowns in boxing when you can do everything that boxing has to offer in MMA and more?

Eyes Down Field

GerryDerpy wrote:

Believe me man, I am well aware I could be way wrong on this one. When there is a majority of voices appealing to one to think rationally, as a physicist it hits the spot. But I just haven't been convinced in any way whatsoever that this contest is as one sided as people think it will be. Not to bring emotion into it - but as Eubank said - Conor is Irish - he has a je ne suis quoi about him. Every time I doubted him he has delivered.

No man, You are wrong. Sorry but how much convincing do you need, other than the list of elite world boxing champions that Mayweather has methodically taken apart over the years. These are men who have dedicated their entire lives to boxing, decades of blood, sweat and tears to perfect their craft. Guys like Manny Pacquiao, Canelo Alvarez and Miguel Cotto. They are all far superior boxers to Conor and in 36 collective rounds of boxing, not one of them could lay a glove on Floyd Mayweather. Conor may be Irish and it is tempting to look at this situation with green tinted specs, But that doesn't negate the greatest of Floyd Mayweather. He couldn't give fck about being heated, having the crowd against him. He fought Ricky Hatton in an arena full of British fans and knocked him out. He has beat up elite Mexican champions on Cinco De Mayo just to piss off the Latino fans. Regardless of outside the ring actions, Floyd Mayweather always come into the ring prepared, with laser focus, and extreme discipline.

Conor has delivered, In the UFC, But this is the boxing ring, this is Mayweather's world, Conor has delivered nothing here.

GerryDerpy wrote:

I truly believe that Floyd is going to be a bit taken aback by Conor's style. He will be that extra foot further back than usual. He will have the left hand loaded up and Floyd will be focusing on it. He will be like a bear wrestling floyd when in the clinch. He will have no fear.

Conor can start with that stance but it won't last long, If he wants to win a round he is going to have to get close enough to Floyd to land this 'loaded left hand' which he does have the boxing skill nor the hand speed to land, Floyd will see it coming a mile away, and will either crack him with a counter left hook, straight combo and go for the kill. or will land a quick scoring jab and win round after round, until round 5 or 6 when Conor is completely gassed out and Floyd Kills him then.

Do you really think the boxing ref is going to allow McGregor to wrestle in the clinch? Refs will be even quicker to pull them apart in this fight, They will be watching McGregor like a hawk, he won't get away with using any MMA tactics

LordSutch wrote:

In my opinion the only hope McGregor (not a boxer) has against Mayweather (excellent boxer) is to use Ali's "rope a dope" for as many rounds as it takes for Floyd to burn himself out > Then McGregor (still fresh) let's rip...

This has to be the dumbest comment I have read on this thread. McGregor needs to stay as far away from the ropes as possible. If he allows Floyd to back him to the ropes or into a corner, he's absolutely fcked. Floyd would light him up like a Christmas tree. Floyd has never "burned himself out" in a fight, he is known for his excellent conditioning and stamina. "Conor(Still fresh)" What?
Conor has shown a distinct lack of stamina in his career, As soon Diaz 1 hit him in the face, he was absolutely fcked. Floyd will hit him faster and far more accurately than Diaz ever could.

hbhook

I think the only way this is still interesting after 2 rounds is if Mayweather breaks his hand on McG's head. I actually watched Mayweather v Baldomir the other day and he hurt his right hand in the second half of the fight.

I don't suggest anyone watch it as it was **** but if you search the fight and turn it on from just before the bell rings for rd 10 I think you get a good summation of Floyd Mayweather the boxer...Even though at that point the HBO commentators hadn't fully copped he was injured.

Floyd in the second half of his career.

StringerBell

Paulie speaking again after sparring. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for Mcgregor

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3296542640392903&id=199098633470668

Mellor

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I actually watched a doc with Bart Gunn recently.

Gunn was a pro wrestler with a shoot background. More than that he was tough Texan bastard

In 1998 WWF ran a shoot competition called The Brawl 4 All. It was a mixture of boxing and Amateur wrestling.

All the fights were shoot. Dan Severn competed in it.

Bart Gunn won out this competition and was rewarded with a legit boxing match at their biggest show of the year Wrestlemania.

He Boxed a Pro in Butterbean.:D

This is what happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S652hvQaWfY

He stated afterwards that you should never play another persons game.

If this fight coming up is the real deal Conor will be put on his arse.

I actually remember that boxing match. Butterbean was some lad.

I understand the point you are making, but there's an obviously flaw. Pro-wrestling is a fairly unique skillset, it's probably not easy. But I doubt any of it is applicable to a real fighting. Somebody had to win the thing doesn't mean he's actually a bad ass. Afaik the tough Texan schtick was just a gimmick.

I'd have backed Dan Severn to beat anyone one the roster in a fight.

blade1

StringerBell wrote: »

Paulie speaking again after sparring. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for Mcgregor

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3296542640392903&id=199098633470668

Can't see where he said anything wrong there.
Was he supposed to say Floyd's getting destroyed or something?

ThinkProgress

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Why would I do that when I don't think it? I hope it, sure, but like I have been saying here for almost two months now..... I only give McGregor a slim chance of winning in the early rounds and believe he will get schooled from that point on if the fight gets that far. Sorry if that's not good enough for you all,

No, that's fine Pete... you are fully in the Mayweather camp for this one. Got it!!

No problem at all... wise man. I fully agree with your opinion that Mayweather wins this fight.

wonderfullife wrote: »

It's that he won't be playing the same game. The rest of them were playing chess against a chess grandmaster. Conor is going to try make it checkers. Same board, different game.

In real terms, that means he'll be fighting closer to kicking range in a karate stance with a wide guard, hands held low, and throwing attacks in Floyd's direction from distances that boxers have never thrown from. If Floyd shuts that down and laughs at him, then fair enough I'll report back here to acknowledge I was deluded.

They'll both be playing the same game... with the same rules.

If you give Floyd space to operate in... you are literally fcuked.

wonderfullife wrote: »

Conor is attempting something very similar. He's being laughed at and mocked and like Fosbury he may not have immediate success. He may lose to Floyd. But there's always the chance he wins and people re-assess concepts like range , stance and distance.

Boxing has been constantly evolving for a century and in 100 years from now people will look back at Floyd and think 'wow, they boxed in such a primitive way back then'.

You seem to have a very low opinion of the sport of boxing... that's the impression I get from a lot of your posts. Like it's some neanderthal way of fighting... and someone clever needs to come along, who can innovate and drag it into the 21st century! lol

For someone who claims to have been watching it for a long time, you also appear to be severely lacking when it comes to the history of the sport. There have been many innovative and intelligent minds, that have turned their brain power towards the sport...

And don't you think Conor should try revolutionizing his own sport, before attempting to do it in a relatively alien sport such as boxing!? (He's not exactly re-inventing the wheel in MMA - as good a fighter as he obviously is)

wonderfullife wrote: »

Maybe but the converse is true too.

If the distance is greater then Floyd has to cover more distance to land punches too and leaves himself vulnerable to counters, especially because launching attacks from that far back is not something he has even had to do in fights before.

I know he's sparring with Kevin Lee (mixed martial artist) and Kevin will probably give Floyd that look in sparring but other than those rounds, he won't have much experience of attacking a guy standing at kicking range.

When Conor attempts to land a punch, he will be in plenty good range for Floyd to land... it won't take him very long to figure out when/where those punches are coming from.

The only thing more distance, and a wider stance, will do on a boxing ring... is give Floyd more time to see the punches coming.

Conor will not get the same time to set up his shots, like he does in MMA... Floyd will likely be in another postcode by that time, if he comes in fighting MMA style!! :pac::pac:

wonderfullife wrote: »

If Conor lands a left hand from an attack he started in a karate stance at kicking range, flattens Floyd and walks away with his $100 million, of course it's only human nature that other boxers coming up will re-evaluate the consensus ideas on range, stance and distance.

Whether in life or in sport, if you're not willing to open your mind to the possibility there might be better ways of doing things, nothing would ever change.

You don't sound too confident here... just a whole bunch of hope and wishful thinking!!

I thought you said, you know Conor is going to win?? You really don't sound like a guy, who "knows Conor will win"... you just sound like you desperately HOPE he will win... so you can stick the 2 fingers up to the boxing world. Who you seem to view, as backward thinking and non-innovative. (which is total BS btw)

wonderfullife wrote: »

The onus is on who to attack?

Floyd is supposed to be the best boxer of his generation. If Conor is standing at kicking range not doing a lot and the crowd starts booing, it'll be because Floyd was expected to be the one teaching the novice a lesson.

He can't just sit there and expect Conor to always attack, he'll have to launch his own blitzes.

Floyd is a master of making other guys miss... he will suck Conor in... and Conor won't even see it happening.

Conor is the one that will be in a big rush during the early rounds... did you forget that??

So he won't really have much option, other than to force the pace... and Floyd will know this... He will know that Conor's gas tank is very small... so he will wait, and he will patiently take him apart piece-by-piece, if necessary!!

wonderfullife wrote: »

I'd be shocked, surprised, disappointed and embarrassed if Conor gets in there and tries to stand in a traditional southpaw stance with a high guard and pretends to be a boxer.

Conor is a huge boxing fan... always has been.

You could argue, that boxing was his main inspiration as a fighter. (MMA came later, and he was actually somewhat reluctant to fully embrace stuff like BJJ & wrestling for quite a while into his MMA career)

He might very well be looking forward to testing his boxing skills, against a fighter like Floyd, that he probably admires a great deal.

LordSutch wrote: »

In my opinion the only hope McGregor (not a boxer) has against Mayweather (excellent boxer) is to use Ali's "rope a dope" for as many rounds as it takes for Floyd to burn himself out > Then McGregor (still fresh) let's rip...

McGregor cannot mix it with Maywether or he will be destroyed within just a few rounds, so the only option is to either cover up 'rope s dope style' until the storm passes, or keep away & dance, out of range and out of reach.

Holy sweet burning baby jesus.... lol

Is this where the tread is going..?? Seriously!?

Naos wrote: »

What atheletic attributes do you think olympic wreslters are missing?

Most of the attributes they don't need or use much as a top wrestler.... :rolleyes:

Like boxing for example... top wrestlers would be fooked if you asked them to go several rounds in a high-paced boxing match, throwing a tonne of punches and getting around a boxing ring requiring lots of cardio and speed.

Their bodies are just not conditioned well for that kind of punishment. (a boxer would be equally fooked, if asked to grapple with a top wrestler for any decent period of time)

It's common sense really... if only that was more common around these parts!!

hbhook

I thought I spoke too soon but MayGregor All Access ep 01 is on youtube.

It's ****. Just a recap of the press tour. The best/funniest moment of the tour was the verbal spat between Mc and Floyd Sr.

xtal191

http://deadspin.com/floyd-mayweather-vs-conor-mcgregor-is-the-second-bigge-1797272009

Too Tough To Die

hbhook wrote: »

I thought I spoke too soon but MayGregor All Access ep 01 is on youtube.

It's ****. Just a recap of the press tour. The best/funniest moment of the tour was the verbal spat between Mc and Floyd Sr.

I thought they edited that exchange really badly. Made it look like Senior got the better of him and captured none of the humour between the two which was in good taste compared to the rest of the tour.

Eyes Down Field

hbhook wrote:

I thought I spoke too soon but MayGregor All Access ep 01 is on youtube.

hbhook wrote:

It's ****. Just a recap of the press tour. The best/funniest moment of the tour was the verbal spat between Mc and Floyd Sr.

It will be a 4 part

walshb

90 percent of the first ep just rehashed the pressers!

Sweet Science

Thousands of tickets still available for this

CatFromHue

Sweet Science wrote: »

Thousands of tickets still available for this

I have to say I really do wonder if this well be as successful as we're being told it will be.

The PPV price in the US is through the roof and there's still no mention of who'll be showing it in the UK and Ire. It's now 4 weeks away.

Sweet Science

CatFromHue wrote: »

I have to say I really do wonder if this well be as successful as we're being told it will be.

The PPV price in the US is through the roof and there's still no mention of who'll be showing it in the UK and Ire. It's now 4 weeks away.

I really have my doubts aswel . However no matter how much it sells we will be told it has broke the ppv record . too much invested in it

Gamebred

Ppv's will sell but ticket prices are a joke, people with money to spend on a 1500 ticket minimum arent the kind who are happy being in the clouds.

Burial.

Sweet Science wrote: »

I really have my doubts aswel . However no matter how much it sells we will be told it has broke the ppv record . too much invested in it

I sincerely hope not

got 5/1 on PP for it not to break the record

hbhook

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

I thought they edited that exchange really badly. Made it look like Senior got the better of him and captured none of the humour between the two which was in good taste compared to the rest of the tour.

For sure yeah but I meant the actual full encounter. It's funny.

hbhook

xtal191 wrote: »

http://deadspin.com/floyd-mayweather-vs-conor-mcgregor-is-the-second-bigge-1797272009

Well I think we can all take something from that article.

Sweet Science

Burial. wrote: »

I sincerely hope not got 5/1 on PP for it not to break the record

Not a bad bet that

Mellor

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Most of the attributes they don't need or use much as a top wrestler.... :rolleyes:

Like boxing for example... top wrestlers would be fooked if you asked them to go several rounds in a high-paced boxing match, throwing a tonne of punches and getting around a boxing ring requiring lots of cardio and speed.

Most of your posts are logical and well thought out. But the above is absolutely lunacy stuff.
Because wrestlers can't box they aren't athletic :pac: :pac: LMFAO You aren't serious I hope?
Of all sports, wrestling is one of the ones more bias towards athleticism.
Stick Usain Bolt into a boxing ring and he won't be able to box either. Not athletic either I guess.

Their bodies are just not conditioned well for that kind of punishment. (a boxer would be equally fooked, if asked to grapple with a top wrestler for any decent period of time)

Right, so boxers would be fooked on the mats. So by your logic, they don't qualify as athletic either. I guess nobody qualifies as athletic unless they've mastered multiple elite sports.
Hmmm, or maybe that logic isn't so great after all.

Wrestling is a very demanding sport. Which requires immense athletism as well as skill. A casual look at the AGTs of the sport shows that.
Top boxers are obviously immensely athletic too. They don't have to be able to perform at an unfamiliar sport to be athletic, surely that's "common sense", no?

Gamebred

Who proves how many it sold? they dont release the figures? well the UFC dont anyways.

Sweet Science

Gamebred wrote: »

Who proves how many it sold? they dont release the figures? well the UFC dont anyways.

Showtime will release I'd say . BTW why don't ufc release the numbers ? I assume the fighters get to see the real numbers as the headliners get a cut of the sales ?

Mellor

Sweet Science wrote: »

Showtime will release I'd say . BTW why don't ufc release the numbers ? I assume the fighters get to see the real numbers as the headliners get a cut of the sales ?

Showtime will release a number, but it's not going to be in anyway verified I'd imagine.

With UFC events, the numbers conviently make their way to the media whenever it's a massive buyrate. But I think they don't release official numbers as they don't want to be putting out sensitive info for every event.
Fighters getting PPV cuts get to see broadcaster reporting data afaik

Danzy

McGregor may not be Boxing fit, going 12 rounds in boxing is as grueling an endurance as any sport. It is also a different focus on training.

There are different types of fitness, Floyd has been training like an animal for 36 years, muscle memory alone will keep him going and sharp.

It is like having a 1500 meter runner do a 10k.

For me the visible difference is that McGregor is sticky on his feet for a boxer and his punching combinations are slow and often over reached, a necessity where a kick can come.

Also I question his ability to sustain punches, balance.

Mayweather will see them and reacted before they even start.

Surviving the 12 rounds is a victory, getting hit 20 times for every punch landed in later rounds is also a possibility.

Gamebred

Danzy wrote: »

It is like having a 1500 meter runner do a 10k.

In a race you mean, anyone with any ok level of fitness can run 10k quite easily.

ThinkProgress

Mellor wrote: »

Because wrestlers can't box they aren't athletic :pac: :pac: LMFAO You aren't serious I hope?

Wind your neck in there Mellor! I'm not attacking wrestling... or wrestlers!

My answer regarding wrestlers, was specifically in respect to fighting. (stand-up fighting in particular)

They are lacking in most other areas of athleticism, other than the very narrow set of physical attributes required for their sport...

While their physical capabilities are impressive within their sport... those physical attributes don't really give them much benefits in something like boxing or say a 5 round stand-up war in MMA, for example!

In fact, imo, wrestling-specific conditioning will make you less effective in a stand-up fight in MMA... it's completely the wrong type of conditioning, for that type of fighting. Many people don't really understand this... there are many people, that think all hard training will lead you to be a better athlete, and hence a better MMA fighter.... but this not really true!

The type of conditioning you do is very important, for your chosen sport. And the % of time you dedicate to certain aspects, will be crucial to the type of athletic attributes you build. If you spend the majority of your training hours on the mat, practicing wrestling... you will have mostly wrestling-specific conditioning... and your conditioning for stand-up fighting will naturally suffer!

^^ You can see many examples of this within MMA fights. But like I said, many people don't understand this, so they don't see it.

I actually think this is where there are big challenges in the future of MMA conditioning. Right now, MMA training is very random and can vary greatly from gym to gym...

It's not just about building skills... you can work on your striking skills, for example, but if your conditioning for stand-up is poor... then your ability to fight well on your feet will not be very good. But still, there are plenty of people out there, who think time spent on the mat will add to your overall conditioning with regard to fighting (it really won't).

There is little or no crossover, between the physical conditioning requirements for wrestling, and those required for boxing or stand-up fighting in MMA.

So, when I talk about wrestlers lacking athleticism... I am obviously not talking about the sport of wrestling. (or ground fighting, for that matter) I am talking about fighting... stand-up fighting specifically!