Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**

walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

Danzy wrote: »

McGregor may not be Boxing fit, going 12 rounds in boxing is as grueling an endurance as any sport. It is also a different focus on training.

There are different types of fitness, Floyd has been training like an animal for 36 years, muscle memory alone will keep him going and sharp.

It is like having a 1500 meter runner do a 10k.

For me the visible difference is that McGregor is sticky on his feet for a boxer and his punching combinations are slow and often over reached, a necessity where a kick can come.

Also I question his ability to sustain punches, balance.

Mayweather will see them and reacted before they even start.

Surviving the 12 rounds is a victory, getting hit 20 times for every punch landed in later rounds is also a possibility.

Be more apt to say it's like a 200 runner doing a 1500..

1500 and 10k both have a large aerobic element to them..10 k requiring more, percentage wise, obviously. They are much less anaerobic.

200 is almost all anaerobic...

So a 1500 talent would have all the natural physiological variables to be good at 10 k, as they already have natural aerobic traits. They would simply need specific 10 k training to become elite..

In this fight Conor will look like the sprinter as soon as the miler, Floyd starts turning up the pace!

ThinkProgress

Floyd via DQ

Danzy wrote: »

McGregor may not be Boxing fit, going 12 rounds in boxing is as grueling an endurance as any sport. It is also a different focus on training.

There are different types of fitness, Floyd has been training like an animal for 36 years, muscle memory alone will keep him going and sharp.

It is like having a 1500 meter runner do a 10k.

For me the visible difference is that McGregor is sticky on his feet for a boxer and his punching combinations are slow and often over reached, a necessity where a kick can come.

Also I question his ability to sustain punches, balance.

Mayweather will see them and reacted before they even start.

Surviving the 12 rounds is a victory, getting hit 20 times for every punch landed in later rounds is also a possibility.

A lot of MMA fans or casual fans, don't really get this though...

They look at McGregor, and see that he's in great shape... so can't really understand why some people think he's going to struggle so badly physically against a 40 year old in a boxing ring! Some of them think we're crazy to suggest this... lol

They think all that hard training he does in BJJ and Wrestling etc... will all be of great benefit to him physically inside a boxing ring. But in reality, it has little or no benefit... in fact, it will most likely weaken his physical capabilities as a boxer!!

snowflaker

Floyd via DQ

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walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

snowflaker wrote: »

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Nail on the head!

hbhook

Floyd via DQ

walshb wrote: »

Nail on the head!

Why has he got such a hard on for boxing? Lots and lots of problems as we know but there's plenty going on in the sport this year. I don't know MMA but there's an awesome fightcard coming up on Sept 9th called 'Super-Fly'. It's a mouth watering event. Check out question and answer number 1 https://www.ringtv.com/504251-dougies-friday-mailbag-116/

Mayweather, McGregor and all the people that don't really understand or care about either sport are what are making this happen. Hey, even I'm making it happen. It's a leave your brain at the door type of thing mostly. I'm not being forced into it. I suppose if he wants to blame someone or be angry at it's Mayweather. He doesn't give a **** and purposely scheduled the fight to **** with Canelo/GGG
Idk, maybe it hit a sore spot.

Danzy

Floyd via KO-TKO

hbhook wrote: »

Why has he got such a hard on for boxing? Lots and lots of problems as we know but there's plenty going on in the sport this year. I don't know MMA but there's an awesome fightcard coming up on Sept 9th called 'Super-Fly'. It's a mouth watering event. Check out question and answer number 1 https://www.ringtv.com/504251-dougies-friday-mailbag-116/

Mayweather, McGregor and all the people that don't really understand or care about either sport are what are making this happen. Hey, even I'm making it happen. It's a leave your brain at the door type of thing mostly. I'm not being forced into it. I suppose if he wants to blame someone or be angry at it's Mayweather. He doesn't give a **** and purposely scheduled the fight to **** with Canelo/GGG
Idk, maybe it hit a sore spot.

That writer comes across as the type of progressive snob that made life long Democrats want to vote Trump.

walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

He is still calling this as we all truly know it it. A BS circus masquerading as sport!

A circus that I will nonetheless watch..and likely he will too.

Instead of slating the writer point out where he is so off the mark?

snowflaker

Floyd via DQ

Danzy wrote: »

That writer comes across as the type of progressive snob that made life long Democrats want to vote Trump.

They'd be the morons then. Anyone that voted Trump really needs their head examined.

His cliches and sound bites are worse than this farce

Danzy

Floyd via KO-TKO

walshb wrote: »

He is still calling this as we all truly know it it. A BS circus masquerading as sport!

A circus that I will nonetheless watch..and likely he will too.

Instead of slating the writer point out where he is so off the mark?

I don't disagree with him it all owes more to Wrestlemania than either Boxing or MMA.

Personally, I think that McGregor would be out boxed by a 17 yr old Welterweight provincial champion.

The observation on the writer was off topic.

Danzy

Floyd via KO-TKO

A similar take on it.

https://deadspin.com/floyd-mayweather-vs-conor-mcgregor-is-the-second-bigge-1797272009

"This is none of my concern, and how the idiots on the Nevada Commission board enrich themselves and bring revenue to the state is their business, but these dumb mother****ers should never again have a voice in who is or isn’t allowed to box in Nevada. If Charles Manson applies for a license to fight Anthony Joshua at the MGM Grand in Vegas, they better not have the audacity to withhold it from him."

and most tellingly

"McGregor walks directly into punches. He keeps his hands too low, and is forced to constantly make adjustments to block and throw punches. These adjustments are done too slowly, with no sense of anticipation as to either where the incoming punch will land or where his own punch should go. In coming forward, he often presents himself as a square target, and he doesn’t move his head. He loops slow punches from the outside, leaving himself entirely vulnerable to counter shots. His footwork is poor, alternating between a too wide stance that simultaneously makes him unable to punch and susceptible to being knocked off balance, and an overcompensating tendency to place his feet nearly together, a mistake that will produce the same sorry results as the overly wide stance. By pro boxing standards, he has no power at all. When moving around the ring, he often crosses one foot in front of the other, a recipe for being embarrassed by any boxer better than a novice pro with a losing record."

hbhook

Floyd via DQ

Danzy wrote: »

A similar take on it.

https://deadspin.com/floyd-mayweather-vs-conor-mcgregor-is-the-second-bigge-1797272009

"This is none of my concern, and how the idiots on the Nevada Commission board enrich themselves and bring revenue to the state is their business, but these dumb mother****ers should never again have a voice in who is or isn’t allowed to box in Nevada. If Charles Manson applies for a license to fight Anthony Joshua at the MGM Grand in Vegas, they better not have the audacity to withhold it from him."

and most tellingly

"McGregor walks directly into punches. He keeps his hands too low, and is forced to constantly make adjustments to block and throw punches. These adjustments are done too slowly, with no sense of anticipation as to either where the incoming punch will land or where his own punch should go. In coming forward, he often presents himself as a square target, and he doesn’t move his head. He loops slow punches from the outside, leaving himself entirely vulnerable to counter shots. His footwork is poor, alternating between a too wide stance that simultaneously makes him unable to punch and susceptible to being knocked off balance, and an overcompensating tendency to place his feet nearly together, a mistake that will produce the same sorry results as the overly wide stance. By pro boxing standards, he has no power at all. When moving around the ring, he often crosses one foot in front of the other, a recipe for being embarrassed by any boxer better than a novice pro with a losing record."

T'was posted earlier. It's a good read.

normanoffside

Floyd via DQ

LordSutch wrote: »

In my opinion the only hope McGregor (not a boxer) has against Mayweather (excellent boxer) is to use Ali's "rope a dope" for as many rounds as it takes for Floyd to burn himself out > Then McGregor (still fresh) let's rip...

McGregor cannot mix it with Maywether or he will be destroyed within just a few rounds, so the only option is to either cover up 'rope s dope style' until the storm passes, or keep away & dance, out of range and out of reach.

If only there was a 'crying with laughter' reaction on boards. You would have gotten a lot of them.

ThinkProgress

Floyd via DQ

Well, Paulie wasn't really feeling the power... Not that I'm surprised tbh.

Respectable power, but nothing to write home about.

I never really felt the KO was a realistic possibility anyway... but after watching that, I would be even more confident that Floyd has very little to worry about!

"I'll bounce shots off his head!!" :pac:...:pac:...

Danzy

Floyd via KO-TKO

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Well, Paulie wasn't really feeling the power... Not that I'm surprised tbh.

Respectable power, but nothing to write home about.

I never really felt the KO was a realistic possibility anyway... but after watching that, I would be even more confident that Floyd has very little to worry about!

"I'll bounce shots off his head!!" :pac:...:pac:...

Landing punches on Mayweather will be the challenge, the power is not enough and McGregor is never going to hit as hard as De La Hoya.


Big punches leave a person exposed and McGregor leaves himself exposed at the best of times.

He'll take some massive hits.

Ash.J.Williams

Conor via DQ

Did I just see Shaub has sold out several nights in the sugar club,?..... Conor really does transform bums lives

Mellor

Draw

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Wind your neck in there Mellor! I'm not attacking wrestling... or wrestlers!

My answer regarding wrestlers, was specifically in respect to fighting. (stand-up fighting in particular)

That's a cool story. But it's a nowhere near what you actually said;

ThinkProgress wrote: »

I don't really view top wrestlers, or martial arts champs, as being great athletes... they tend to be lacking in terms of all-round athleticism. You can see this in the UFC... athletic attributes often come second to skill development in those disciplines!

No mention on striking, stand-up, MMA or boxing.
If you said wrestlers weren't very good at striking, I doubt anyone would disagree. But that's obviously a matter of technical ability, not athleticism.

The type of conditioning you do is very important, for your chosen sport. And the % of time you dedicate to certain aspects, will be crucial to the type of athletic attributes you build. If you spend the majority of your training hours on the mat, practicing wrestling... you will have mostly wrestling-specific conditioning... and your conditioning for stand-up fighting will naturally suffer!

I have no issue with saying there are different types of athleticism. Or that wrestlers have different athletic attributes to boxers...
...but that's not what you initially said. As pointed out above. If it had been in the context of boxing, I'd have agreed with you. Wrestling requires a much bigger engine than boxing, and as such wouldn't be suited to the latter.
Walshb's 200m vrs 1500m example would be similar.

But lumping wrestlers in with middle aged karate blackbelts with beer bellys is just silly.

Some people actually believe, that part of the motivation behind the creation of the UFC (and Crossfit too btw)... was to create a legitimate sporting career for top wrestlers to compete in after their amatuer careers were over.

Side point, but I doubt that rumour is true, considering who was driving the original Ultimate Fighting events.

ThinkProgress

Floyd via DQ

Mellor wrote: »

That's a cool story. But it's a nowhere near what you actually said;

Wrong!

Scumlord and myself were discussing the athletic merits of MMA fighters... the quote of mine that you lifted, was in response to that. So it very much was in the context of MMA fighting!!

No mention on striking, stand-up, MMA or boxing.
If you said wrestlers weren't very good at striking, I doubt anyone would disagree. But that's obviously a matter of technical ability, not athleticism.

I just mentioned the UFC in that exact quote you lifted... FFS... And the conversation is about athleticism in MMA!! :rolleyes:

You live in Oz, right? (Not sure what time it is over there... maybe you need to go back to bed buddy... get some more ZZzzz's!!) :P

And, you are very much wrong that striking is JUST about skill... striking ability, whether it's boxing or kicking, is also very much about conditioning and a particular type of athleticism!

I have no issue with saying there are different types of athleticism. Or that wrestlers have different athletic attributes to boxers...
...but that's not what you initially said. As pointed out above. If it had been in the context of boxing, I'd have agreed with you. Wrestling requires a much bigger engine than boxing, and as such wouldn't be suited to the latter.
Walshb's 200m vrs 1500m example would be similar.

Yes, it was what I said... and again, that was what the conversation was about!! :rolleyes:

We're on a BOXING THREAD.... and we're talking about a BOXING MATCH with a BOXER... and an MMA FIGHTER.... And I was having a conversation with another poster about athleticism of BOXERS and MMA FIGHTERS!!

And you're damn right, wrestling conditioning is a very poor form of training for boxing... but not just boxing, striking and stand-up fighting in general in MMA too!! (don't forget that bit... make sure I keep this thing in context for ya... so ya don't get all confused again...;))

But lumping wrestlers in with middle aged karate blackbelts with beer bellys is just silly.

What are you even talking about here... where did I say anything about old-aged karate practitioners!? lol

Side point, but I doubt that rumour is true, considering who was driving the original Ultimate Fighting events.

I have good sources, who's opinion I trust... I don't really give a crap whether you agree with the theory. Not like I can prove it one way or the other anyway... there are often many different motivations for why certain things get created. Enough powerful fingers in the pie and all that jazz...

But I only threw it out there, because it's an interesting little theory! (well it is in my head anyway)


Mellor, I'm gonna let all this crazy talk slide... since you're living in upside-down land over there... and you're probably just brain farting here!! (had a few to drink, have we...??) :pac::pac:

ThinkProgress

Floyd via DQ

@Mellor

Btw, did you watch Cormier vs Jones??

Great example of what I'm talking about....

Cormier is an Olympic caliber wrestler... but he has very poor conditioning/athleticism for a stand-up fight, and as a result, his stand-up skills are sloppy and he was at a major disadvantage when Jones kept the fight on the feet... eventually getting KO'd.

Now, I'm not saying Jones is a million times better in that respect either. But he's significantly better at striking, and his conditioning is considerably better suited to a stand-up fight, than Cormier. (you only have to look at footage of Jones training, to see this)

Olympic calibre wrestler.... but very un-athletic in a stand-up fight. This is something you see a lot down the years in MMA fights. (If you're looking for it, and know what you're looking at)

He is, however, a seriously tough individual - I must add that - which no doubt gives him a chance in any fight! I like Cormier... brave dude! Seems like a very likable person too... I'm not trying to kick the chap, when he's down. Just using that fight to better explain on my point, re athleticism in MMA.

wonderfullife

Conor via KO-TKO

ThinkProgress wrote: »

@Mellor

Btw, did you watch Cormier vs Jones??

Great example of what I'm talking about....

Cormier is an Olympic caliber wrestler... but he has very poor conditioning/athleticism for a stand-up fight, and as a result, his stand-up skills are sloppy and he was at a major disadvantage when Jones kept the fight on the feet... eventually getting KO'd.

Now, I'm not saying Jones is a million times better in that respect either. But he's significantly better at striking, and his conditioning is considerably better suited to a stand-up fight, than Cormier. (you only have to look at footage of Jones training, to see this)

Olympic calibre wrestler.... but very un-athletic in a stand-up fight. This is something you see a lot down the years in MMA fights. (If you're looking for it, and know what you're looking at)

He is, however, a seriously tough individual - I must add that - which no doubt gives him a chance in any fight! I like Cormier... brave dude! Seems like a very likable person too... I'm not trying to kick the chap, when he's down. Just using that fight to better explain on my point, re athleticism in MMA.

I love how you post absolute waffle but say it in such a declarative way, it's impressive.

Cormier was, on most pundit scorecards, 2 rounds up after 2 rounds. On the official cards he was 19-19 after 2 rounds.

What are you blabbering on about DC's conditioning? He landed the hardest shots in both the first 2 rounds, he was pushing the pace of the fight and backing Jones up, he was consistently timing the uppercut and was winning the fight ON THE FEET in many peoples opinion at the time he got caught with the head kick.

He wasn't "at a major disadvantage on the feet" due to "sloppy striking" or "bad conditioning", he was at an intrinsic disadvantage because Jon Jones is 6'4 with an 84" reach - which is an incredible 7" height advantage and 12" reach advantage over Cormier.

Height and reach advantages have completely *ZERO* to do with someones conditioning or athleticism.

You're correct that wrestling cardio/conditioning is not apples-for-apples suited to boxing, though. Boxing requires different energy rhythms and, most importantly, it requires insane arm strength and stamina. You could put any marathon runner into a boxing ring and their arms would be burning and dead after 4 rounds because they're not used to holding their hands high for extended periods.

EIREAROEIRE

im putting a grand on the irish boy go on u good thing

Mellor

Draw

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Wrong!

Scumlord and myself were discussing the athletic merits of MMA fighters... the quote of mine that you lifted, was in response to that. So it very much was in the context of MMA fighting!!

Move the goal posts all you like. I lifted a direct quote. Your statement as posted, was bollox.

I think that you're the guy that claimed Usain Bolt wasn't very fit, and that chicken breast is a great source of fibre. So I'm not expecting you to do anything other that dig your heels in.

You live in Oz, right? (Not sure what time it is over there... maybe you need to go back to bed buddy... get some more ZZzzz's!!) :P

Yeah, I live in Oz. Which often means staying up late for European sports. The bonus is the US sports like MMA/Boxing is on at a perfect time on Sunday afternoon

And, you are very much wrong that striking is JUST about skill... striking ability, whether it's boxing or kicking, is also very much about conditioning and a particular type of athleticism!

LMFAO

If you think that's what I said, you need to "wins your neck in" and read people's posts a little better.

I have good sources, who's opinion I trust... I don't really give a crap whether you agree with the theory. Not like I can prove it one way or the other anyway...

The silent partners behind the creation of the UFC was the Gracie family. Specifically Rorian. This isn't a theory from nameless sources. It's a verifiable fact.
Their motivation for setting up the ultimate showdown for all martial arts should be obvious. It certainly wasn't to benefit wrestling. I do think there were any actual wrestlers invited to compete. And boxing was underrepresented too for that matter.

Mellor

Draw

ThinkProgress wrote: »

@Mellor

Btw, did you watch Cormier vs Jones??

Great example of what I'm talking about....

Cormier is an Olympic caliber wrestler... but he has very poor conditioning/athleticism for a stand-up fight, and as a result, his stand-up skills are sloppy and he was at a major disadvantage when Jones kept the fight on the feet... eventually getting KO'd.

Now, I'm not saying Jones is a million times better in that respect either. But he's significantly better at striking, and his conditioning is considerably better suited to a stand-up fight, than Cormier. (you only have to look at footage of Jones training, to see this)

Olympic calibre wrestler.... but very un-athletic in a stand-up fight. This is something you see a lot down the years in MMA fights. (If you're looking for it, and know what you're looking at)

He is, however, a seriously tough individual - I must add that - which no doubt gives him a chance in any fight! I like Cormier... brave dude! Seems like a very likable person too... I'm not trying to kick the chap, when he's down. Just using that fight to better explain on my point, re athleticism in MMA.

Cormier isn't in Olympic caliber wrestler condition. Technically, he is an phenomenal wrestler. And succeed on that ability. But his conditioning has never been on pointe, even when he was on the Olympic team. He missed out on the Olympics due to his poor physical preparation. I'm sure we can all think of a few boxer who never reached their potential in similar fashion.
Somebody like Jordan Burroughs would be an example of top condition.

Conditioning aside (bolded that bit so you don't miss it) Jones is a much better dynamic striker on a technical level. DC has no striking background prior to MMA, so plays to his skillsets, dirty boxing, clinchwork, instead to trying to learn the sweet science from the ground up.
Yesterday, the first two rounds were very close. It only went south when Jones flicked a switch in rd3.

hbhook

Floyd via DQ

There's an article on BoxingScene saying that MW wants to charge £100 per PPV in Britain. Hearn reckons it'll be the standard price. That Sky won't go beyond £19.95.

I also discovered that Sky have Crawford v Indongo (for all the marbles at JrWW). They must be trying to up their game what with the teaming up of BT/Boxnation.

ThinkProgress

Floyd via DQ

wonderfullife wrote: »

I love how you post absolute waffle but say it in such a declarative way, it's impressive.

Now that's saying something coming from you tbf... lol

You're the guy who thinks McGregor is going to fight Floyd with a wide karate stance... in a boxing match... and still have any hope of landing a punch!! :pac:

This is despite the fact, that world class boxers such Oscar De La Hoya, had enough intelligence and understanding, to know that he actually needed a narrower stance... in order to be able to react and move quicker to track Floyd's movements around the ring and be able to create angles and cut off the ring!! (which he had quite a bit of success doing in that fight, if you watch it)

He deliberately changed to a more narrow stance for that fight....

A narrow stance, allows for quicker movement to react to your opponent in a boxing match. A wider stance (such as the one you have suggested), will leave Conor with basically zero chance of catching Floyd and cutting off the ring!!

Well done einstein!! :P

Hopefully Conor isn't foolish enough, to attempt some of the nonsense you have suggested, for this fight... (I very much doubt he would be though)

Cormier was, on most pundit scorecards, 2 rounds up after 2 rounds. On the official cards he was 19-19 after 2 rounds.

And how much did it take out of DC's gas tank to put that effort in...?? Jones looked quite comfortable, despite possibly being down on the scorecards (possibly)

It's a 5 round fight... no good having 2 rounds worth of cardio, and then getting KO'd.

What are you blabbering on about DC's conditioning? He landed the hardest shots in both the first 2 rounds, he was pushing the pace of the fight and backing Jones up, he was consistently timing the uppercut and was winning the fight ON THE FEET in many peoples opinion at the time he got caught with the head kick.

He was pushing the pace, but Jones didn't really look out of his comfort zone physically... I could see this watching the fight. (I would not be at all surprised that you couldn't though)

While DC was starting to look gassed out... because he couldn't get the fight to the ground.

The longer that fight stayed on the feet... Jones was a major favourite to win. I was not surprised that Jones KO'd him. Great Kick though!

He wasn't "at a major disadvantage on the feet" due to "sloppy striking" or "bad conditioning", he was at an intrinsic disadvantage because Jon Jones is 6'4 with an 84" reach - which is an incredible 7" height advantage and 12" reach advantage over Cormier.

Jones is the better conditioned athlete for a stand-up fight. Without a shadow of a doubt... Again, I am not really surprised that you don't see or understand this!

DC is poorly conditioned for that kind of fight. He was always going to struggle, if he couldn't get Jones to the ground.

Just because he did well for a couple of rounds, before getting KO'd, doesn't mean too much!

Conor was doing well against Diaz too, before getting gassed out and then taken apart. You have to be conditioned for the full fight... DC is not conditioned for a 5 round stand-up fight against someone like JJ... that really should be obvious to anyone with decent understanding of fighter conditioning!!

Height and reach advantages have completely *ZERO* to do with someones conditioning or athleticism.

Jones had more than just height and reach advantages over DC... he is by far the superior conditioned athlete for a stand-up fight.

DC clearly emptied his tank in those first 2 rounds... when the fight remained on the feet, he was always in big trouble!

Again, not really surprised that you don't understand this. But I have an excellent understanding of the physiological aspects of sport. So I could see it... and I was actually watching out for it.

Just like I will be watching for similar things when Conor faces Floyd...

You're correct that wrestling cardio/conditioning is not apples-for-apples suited to boxing, though.

It's not suitable at all, as a conditioning methodology for boxing... or stand-up fighting in MMA. It's that simple!

In fact, that kind of conditioning, can actually make you worse at those movements! (this is a big part of the reason why Conor is going to struggle very badly against Floyd too btw)

ThinkProgress

Floyd via DQ

Mellor wrote: »

Move the goal posts all you like.

I'm not moving any goalposts... you are reading and interpreting my posts, how you want to.

I know perfectly well what I was discussing... I was talking about athleticism in MMA. And fighting in general.

I was not having a discussion about the sport of wrestling or wrestlers in a general sense.... as you erroneously seem to think... I was talking about wrestlers within the context of MMA fighting! Pretty sure most people would have seen that, very clearly! (except you for some reason) :rolleyes:

Work away mellor... but I won't be entertaining your BS! I will simply leave you to your nonsense, and move on!

Mellor

Draw

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Work away mellor... but I won't be entertaining your BS! I will simply leave you to your nonsense, and move on!

As I said, same as the chicken fibre debacle (and all the rest :rolleyes: ). Somebody calls you on your pony. So you spin some "not what I meant yarn".

Mellor

Draw

hbhook wrote: »

There's an article on BoxingScene saying that MW wants to charge £100 per PPV in Britain. Hearn reckons it'll be the standard price. That Sky won't go beyond £19.95. .

I'd well believe that Mayweather (or some honcho at MW Promotions) asked the question. But I doubt there was any insistence behind it. Sky have the data, it's in their interest to maximise revenue also.


And if a silly price was tabled as a gauge. It'd be surprised if it was £100 as that's a huge mark up on the USD price

walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

Mellor wrote: »

As I said, same as the chicken fibre debacle (and all the rest :rolleyes: ). Somebody calls you on your pony. So you spin some "not what I meant yarn".

But it wasn't what he meant. I interpreted it.

ThinkProgress relating to athleticism of wrestlers: You can see this in the UFC

I took it that he didn't view them as having great athleticism in areas of UFC that are not wrestling specific or related.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

Floyd via DQ

After watching the UFC at the weekend I have to say I have little to no appetite for this farce of a fight.

Jon Jones is a beast.

Lawlor fight was great.

McGregor should be sticking to what he's good at and fighting in the UFC.

ThinkProgress

Floyd via DQ

Mellor wrote: »

Cormier isn't in Olympic caliber wrestler condition. Technically, he is an phenomenal wrestler. And succeed on that ability. But his conditioning has never been on pointe, even when he was on the Olympic team. He missed out on the Olympics due to his poor physical preparation. I'm sure we can all think of a few boxer who never reached their potential in similar fashion.
Somebody like Jordan Burroughs would be an example of top condition.

Doesn't really matter if he is a well conditioned wrestler, or a poorly conditioned one...

The fact is, he is a former Olympic calibre wrestler. That is what his body is primarily conditioned to do well.

When he comes up against a fighter, who has excellent conditioning and skills for a stand-up fight... he will obviously be in a whole world of trouble, if that fight remains standing for too long! And that's exactly what happen!!

In fairness to him, he did put up a very admirable fight on his feet for a while... but JJ did not look out of his comfort zone physically. DC was starting to look gassed out (to me)...

I always felt JJ would have the better of the latter part of that fight... (although nobody could really predict that head kick tbf)

Conditioning aside (bolded that bit so you don't miss it) Jones is a much better dynamic striker on a technical level. DC has no striking background prior to MMA, so plays to his skillsets, dirty boxing, clinchwork, instead to trying to learn the sweet science from the ground up.
Yesterday, the first two rounds were very close. It only went south when Jones flicked a switch in rd3.

You cannot just remove the specific conditioning from those striking skills... both are intrinsically linked together!

DC's physical attributes would never really allow him to mix it as an elite level MMA striker in a 5 round fight... with someone like JJ... he did remarkably well to somewhat pull it off for as long as he did. (but it clearly depleted him a lot by the time of the KO)

KO's rarely happen JUST because of a great shot... part of the equation is also usually physical too. A better conditioned fighter, can possibly survive that kick... or be able to defend it better when they see it coming! (you can see this in striking sports such as kickboxing and Muay Thai... where guys regularly survive heavy kicks such as those)

It's one thing knowing what you want to do in a fight... and understanding how to do it technically... but do you actually have the conditioning to pull it off??

Part of the process of gaining those high level striking skills, is also gaining the physical attributes and conditioning to actually perform them well enough within the energy-sapping intensity and speed of a fight.